Richard Rowland

I was half-listening to the television while involved in other activities when I heard a person comment that the N**i's had endeavored to reduce the Jewish people to less than human.

Seems to me, that's what the Israelis have managed to accomplish, where the Palestinians are concerned. Jews treat the Palestinians in ways similar to what they complain they endured at the hands of the N**is during the war years.

When creating the impression that some folks are less than human, they can be treated with little regard for their feelings. Bulldozing homes is one incident.


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-what-israel-s-demolition-of-70-palestinian-homes-was-really-about-1.7613009

straightUp Loc: California

I just want to interject here... It's not the Jews, per se... In fact a LOT of Jews are opposed to what Israel is doing, especially the Orthodox Jews that believe the land-obsessions of Z*****t Israel is itself, a violation of the Jewish spirit. Furthermore, the majority of the people supporting Z*****m in Israel are actually Christians in America, many of whom actually think the Jews are needed in Israel to secure the return of Christ at which point they will all convert to Christians.

But to your point... I do agree that the inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people naturally degrades the humanity of those involved, including the Z*****ts (Jews AND Christians) and anyone who supports their policies and actions in Israel and lands they occupy illegally.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

So much wrong with both posts. The Palestinians are not a sovereign state and have never been one. Israel is a sovereign state. The Jewish people have to get permits to build a home. Some, not all Palestinian's just squat on land they haven't purchased and don't obtain permits to build homes. Israel has finally reached its limit of enough is enough. It's their nation, not anyone's else's. It doesn't belong to the UN, Pope, Orthodox, or anyone else. They get to call the shots. The Palestinians must choose to obey the law and live peaceably or suffer the consequences. Israel has been too nice and generous for too long. E******y in the law is required for both. Otherwise, there will never be peace.

Richard Rowland

Israel has been too nice? That's laughable! However, this argument could go on into perpetuity. At some point, history as it always has will change the dynamics.

bggamers Loc: georgia

that could be said here in this country and else where as well good post

straightUp Loc: California

Peewee - The point of the original post is that those who are mistreating Palestinians are degrading their own humanity. This is not something you can justify with laws anymore than the N**is could justify their holocaust with laws. You're a sad person if you think humanity can be dictated by legal systems.

But since we're being critics here, let me also point out the gaping flaws in your response.

First of all, Palestinian homes are being bulldozed in lands OUTSIDE the sovereign state of Israel. The West Bank, the Golan Heights and the Gaza Strip are NOT legally part of Israel. They are occupied territories and as such the laws that apply to these lands fall under international consensus and it's Israel that is violating these laws not the Palestinians.

The idea that Palestinians are squatters ignores the fact that many of those homes being razed by Israeli forces are functioning farms that have been in Palestinian families for generations. Long before Israel was a state.

Also, your attempt to suggest that Palestinians and Jews are equal under Israeli law exposes your ignorance. Within the sovereign state of Israel, law has always been discriminatory with regard to land and v****g rights. In the occupied territories where Palestinian homes are being leveled, laws are not even being considered. The Israelis are doing it because they have the firepower, it's as simple as that.

Finally, it takes a tremendous dose of stupidity to think that Israel has been "nice". They have been operating their own holocaust against the Palestinian people and using the excuse that Palestinians fight back to justify it further.

We're in the age of Trump peewee, I don't understand why people like you still think you need to justify what Israel does. Why don't you be a man and just admit that you h**e Palestinians and want to see them wiped off the face of the earth? At least you would be honest.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

We just disagree then. What were the original boundaries established in 1948? I believe it was from the Jordan River to the coast. There have been a couple of wars since them. I believe in war, the winner gets the spoils, especially if they were attacked first. International law means nothing, sovereignty does, otherwise, you are not a free independent nation. I'm glad Israel is standing up to those meddling into their affairs. Palestinians were trapped in Israel by Muslims countries who refused to allow them to immigrate, most were originally Jordanians. After years Israel is finally kicking out the left funded NGOs who only cause problems and lie.

straightUp Loc: California

Yes, we do.


That a little oversimplified and basically incorrect... The original boundaries were established by the U.N. when they granted Israel it's sovereignty in 1948. Before that it was all Palestine under the British Mandate.




Ultimately, you could say that anyone with enough power can do wh**ever they want but that doesn't always justify their actions. But you seem to be suggesting a rule and the only rules that currently apply to disputed territory are the international agreements that Israel continues to violate. I also disagree with your suggestion that Israel was attacked. The first war since the Israel was established as a sovereign state was in 1956, the so-called "second" Arab-Israeli war, which started when Israel attacked Egypt.

The second war was in 1967, the so-called "third" Arab-Israeli War which started when Israel again attacked Egypt. Israel justified their attacks by saying that Egypt closed the Straights of Tiran to Israeli shipping, which they did, but that’s not the same thing as attacking their country.

The third war was in 1973 and in this case the Arabs did mobilize first but they didn't actually attack Israel. The Egyptians moved forces into the Sinai, which was still internationally recognized as part of Egypt and the Syrians moved into the Golan Heights which was still internationally recognized as part of Syria.

If you're wondering why I haven't mentioned the first Arab-Israeli war, it's because despite the Arab offenses, Israel technically didn't exist yet. This was in 1947 and “Israel” was literally a stateless terrorist organization that did the same thing ISIS was trying to do by declaring a “rightful” domain. In fact the U.S. and Britain imposed restrictions on arms coming into Palestine (which is what the place was called then) BECAUSE they were… terrorists.

So, I'm very aware of the pro-Israeli revisionism that insists the Arabs have always attacked Israel but it's just not true.



It's funny how you say that sovereignty justifies the violation of international agreements by a country who's very sovereignty was granted to them by... international agreements.


Israel isn't standing up to anyone, the U.S. is. If not for us, the modern state of Israel would not have persevered and would probably never have even existed in the first place. Israel was a dumping ground for Jewish refugees that we didn't want to accept into our own country. Since then it has become a strategic base for American interests in the M.E.


This is true to some extent, except they weren't trapped in Israel, they were trapped on their own land by hostile forces. The neighboring Muslim nations were hesitant to open up their borders to refugees thinking that it would be better to fix the problem at it's root and push the invading force out of the occupied territories. So far they haven't had much success.


The "problems" those NGOs were causing was the exposure of t***h and the right-wing Likuds have little tolerance for t***h or justice. It's harder to justify the oppression of people when the t***h keeps leaking out. ;)

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

It's not an oversimplification. The state was recreated. Once created it has the right to determine it's laws and isn't answerable to international oversight unless it wants to be ruled over by outside entities. It's either sovereign or it isn't. If they want Jerusalem to be an international city, it's their decision.

Palestine was the name of the region, not the inhabitants, thanks to Rome. Jews even identified themselves as Palestine Jews before 1948.

Look at history, might doesn't make you right, but it usually makes you victorious. Not really much difference.

You seem to be a lib and I'll admit I'm a conservative. So we'll probably almost always disagree.

That's life!

straightUp Loc: California

How are these two related? I was referring to your river-to-coast description of the original territory. THAT was an over-simplification.


I would agree with you entirely my friend but for one thing... Jerusalem is not inside Israel. Now this maybe a point of dispute for us, but think about what you're saying here. The city that you think should be an "international" city is currently being mandated by the entire international community of which only one other member recognizes Israel's sovereign domain


True... not sure how that matters.


That's true lol
Perhaps your downplay on the difference between victory and a moral high ground is the crux of what makes us different. ;)

Mutton Dressed As Lamb

While Israel may not be perfect, I did happen to note the source of this news; Haaretz is an Israeli website. What it illustrates is that Israel allows its citizens; Jews and Arabs alike, to criticize the actions of their government. Can you say the same for most of its neighbors. Take a look at the picture below. It shows an Orthodox Jewish woman and her son, bullying a Muslim woman. Pure bigotry on her part, and setting a piss poor example for her son, as well. We don't know what provoked the incident. If she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I feel real bad for her. If she happened to be yelling "Jews to the Ovens", I would say she was lucky to have walked away from it. Either way, think about all the Muslims who were tortured and k**led by other Muslims for political, sectarian, or personal reasons. I bet any of them would have gladly traded places with her.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

People are people no matter what their time period, race, religion, or nationality and all people are flawed. Some are just less flawed than others. People have been fighting ever since one group tried to steal others wealth or control them. Sadly it's the way of the world.

straightUp Loc: California

So are we calling free speech a Get-Out-Of-Jail card for the hostile occupation of the West Bank and the oppression of its people?

straightUp Loc: California

Wow... you're blowing my mind dude, really... All this time I was thinking war was invented by the last Bush Administration... and really, I thought there was such a thing as a perfect person. I thought that's what Bob Costas was.

;)

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Sometimes, in today's world, you have to state the obvious.