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Jul 19, 2019 00:31:11   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
And how does all that deflecting info mitigate or annul Trump's blatant lies about aid money? Puerto Rico only got 42.5 billion and almost half has been withheld, not 91.2 billion trump trumpeted. But I am truly impressed at the lengths you went to to try and alleviate his guilt.


It doesn't mitigate Trump's handling of Puerto Rico. What it does tell you is that Puerto Rico was mismanaged long before Trump came to office and that they have been their own worse enemy.

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Jul 19, 2019 00:41:23   #
rumitoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
It doesn't mitigate Trump's handling of Puerto Rico. What it does tell you is that Puerto Rico was mismanaged long before Trump came to office and that they have been their own worse enemy.


On that we thoroughly agree.

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Jul 19, 2019 00:51:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
On that we thoroughly agree.


P.R. and the mayor of San Juan pissed-off Trump. It was their governor who originally screwed the pooch and put the island into the mess it is in. It really is up to Congress to do something to fix it. Trump could have been more gracious with them and they wouldn't be at loggerheads with each other. Trump's ego was bigger than Carmen Cruz(?) and since he swings a bigger stick, the mayor lost. She was a casualty of poor national government.

Dumb politicians abound.

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Jul 19, 2019 02:00:27   #
rumitoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
P.R. and the mayor of San Juan pissed-off Trump. It was their governor who originally screwed the pooch and put the island into the mess it is in. It really is up to Congress to do something to fix it. Trump could have been more gracious with them and they wouldn't be at loggerheads with each other. Trump's ego was bigger than Carmen Cruz(?) and since he swings a bigger stick, the mayor lost. She was a casualty of poor national government.

Dumb politicians abound.


Very wise and insightful, and actually true. I again concur.

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Jul 19, 2019 02:37:32   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Very wise and insightful, and actually true. I again concur.


Rumi, you surprise me! Thanks!

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Jul 19, 2019 08:02:38   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
rumitoid wrote:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say 'America' with this intensity. You say 'al-Qaida,' it makes you proud. Al-Qaida makes you proud. You don't speak that way about America."

THE FACTS: This is a wholly distorted account of what the Minnesota Democrat said. She did not voice p***e in the terrorist group.

Trump is referring to an interview Omar gave in 2013. In it, she talked about studying terrorism history or theory under a professor who dramatically pronounced the names of terrorist groups, as if to emphasize their evil nature.

"The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said 'al-Qaida,' he sort of like — his shoulders went up" and he used a menacing, intense tone, she said. Her point was that the professor was subtly rousing suspicions of Muslims with his theatrical presentation, while pronouncing "America" without the intensity he afforded the names of terrorist groups.

At no point did she say "al-Qaida" should be uttered with intensity or p***e and that "America" shouldn't.



Donald Trump’s hostility to the island of Puerto Rico may have helped stall two congressional bills that would have allocated more aid for the hurricane-devastated island. On Monday, the Senate failed to pass either a Republican bill that included $600 million in food aid to Puerto Rico, or a $14.3 billion bill that wrapped additional assistance for the island into unrelated legislation. Puerto Rico’s governor, Ricardo Rosselló, told Reuters that though the territory needed the food aid, the amount allocated in the Republican bill still fell short of the island’s actual needs.

The discrepancy between Puerto Rico’s needs and what the U.S. government is willing to provide isn’t a recent development, but it has widened under Trump. The Washington Post reported in March that Trump seems to have a vendetta against the island and its elected officials, who criticized the administration’s slow response to Hurricane Maria. The president is willing to provide nothing beyond some further food assistance to Puerto Rico, and in a series of tweets sent on Monday evening and Tuesday morning, Trump reiterated that position:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say '... (show quote)



It's funny rumitoid that you and your fellow Lefists call Trump a liar. Even assuming you're correct in this, a very large assumption, you and your fellows have jumped on far less to draw your conclusions.

The biggest liar in p**********l history was Barack H. Obama.

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Jul 19, 2019 11:37:58   #
Kazudy
 
rumitoid wrote:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say 'America' with this intensity. You say 'al-Qaida,' it makes you proud. Al-Qaida makes you proud. You don't speak that way about America."

THE FACTS: This is a wholly distorted account of what the Minnesota Democrat said. She did not voice p***e in the terrorist group.

Trump is referring to an interview Omar gave in 2013. In it, she talked about studying terrorism history or theory under a professor who dramatically pronounced the names of terrorist groups, as if to emphasize their evil nature.

"The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said 'al-Qaida,' he sort of like — his shoulders went up" and he used a menacing, intense tone, she said. Her point was that the professor was subtly rousing suspicions of Muslims with his theatrical presentation, while pronouncing "America" without the intensity he afforded the names of terrorist groups.

At no point did she say "al-Qaida" should be uttered with intensity or p***e and that "America" shouldn't.



Donald Trump’s hostility to the island of Puerto Rico may have helped stall two congressional bills that would have allocated more aid for the hurricane-devastated island. On Monday, the Senate failed to pass either a Republican bill that included $600 million in food aid to Puerto Rico, or a $14.3 billion bill that wrapped additional assistance for the island into unrelated legislation. Puerto Rico’s governor, Ricardo Rosselló, told Reuters that though the territory needed the food aid, the amount allocated in the Republican bill still fell short of the island’s actual needs.

The discrepancy between Puerto Rico’s needs and what the U.S. government is willing to provide isn’t a recent development, but it has widened under Trump. The Washington Post reported in March that Trump seems to have a vendetta against the island and its elected officials, who criticized the administration’s slow response to Hurricane Maria. The president is willing to provide nothing beyond some further food assistance to Puerto Rico, and in a series of tweets sent on Monday evening and Tuesday morning, Trump reiterated that position:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say '... (show quote)


Who was it that said”I did not have sex with that woman(telling Monica that he didn’t have sex with Hillary) then who said” if you like your doctor, or insurance” counting on the stupidity of the American Democrats, well he got that part right.

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Jul 19, 2019 23:11:33   #
rumitoid
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
It's funny rumitoid that you and your fellow Lefists call Trump a liar. Even assuming you're correct in this, a very large assumption, you and your fellows have jumped on far less to draw your conclusions.

The biggest liar in p**********l history was Barack H. Obama.


Really? Care to back that up with a comparison study?

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Jul 19, 2019 23:13:59   #
rumitoid
 
Kazudy wrote:
Who was it that said”I did not have sex with that woman(telling Monica that he didn’t have sex with Hillary) then who said” if you like your doctor, or insurance” counting on the stupidity of the American Democrats, well he got that part right.


Someone in the world lies and Trump is then free to do at his pleasure? Hey, everyone else does it, right? Why pick on the president? Because he is the president and leader of the Free World. It matters!

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Jul 19, 2019 23:32:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Someone in the world lies and Trump is then free to do at his pleasure? Hey, everyone else does it, right? Why pick on the president? Because he is the president and leader of the Free World. It matters!


It is a problem. But I will still have to v**e for Trump in 2020 because of the current lineup of Democrat candidates unless something changes in the meantime.

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Jul 19, 2019 23:57:32   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say 'America' with this intensity. You say 'al-Qaida,' it makes you proud. Al-Qaida makes you proud. You don't speak that way about America."

THE FACTS: This is a wholly distorted account of what the Minnesota Democrat said. She did not voice p***e in the terrorist group.

Trump is referring to an interview Omar gave in 2013. In it, she talked about studying terrorism history or theory under a professor who dramatically pronounced the names of terrorist groups, as if to emphasize their evil nature.

"The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said 'al-Qaida,' he sort of like — his shoulders went up" and he used a menacing, intense tone, she said. Her point was that the professor was subtly rousing suspicions of Muslims with his theatrical presentation, while pronouncing "America" without the intensity he afforded the names of terrorist groups.

At no point did she say "al-Qaida" should be uttered with intensity or p***e and that "America" shouldn't.



Donald Trump’s hostility to the island of Puerto Rico may have helped stall two congressional bills that would have allocated more aid for the hurricane-devastated island. On Monday, the Senate failed to pass either a Republican bill that included $600 million in food aid to Puerto Rico, or a $14.3 billion bill that wrapped additional assistance for the island into unrelated legislation. Puerto Rico’s governor, Ricardo Rosselló, told Reuters that though the territory needed the food aid, the amount allocated in the Republican bill still fell short of the island’s actual needs.

The discrepancy between Puerto Rico’s needs and what the U.S. government is willing to provide isn’t a recent development, but it has widened under Trump. The Washington Post reported in March that Trump seems to have a vendetta against the island and its elected officials, who criticized the administration’s slow response to Hurricane Maria. The president is willing to provide nothing beyond some further food assistance to Puerto Rico, and in a series of tweets sent on Monday evening and Tuesday morning, Trump reiterated that position:
TRUMP quotes Omar as saying: "You don't say '... (show quote)


And would that food actually get to ANY of the people in need this time?

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Jul 20, 2019 03:26:05   #
JoyV
 
markc wrote:
Not true.
“So far, the nine projects the Trump administration has OK'd total about $13.3 million, according to Puerto Rico's Central Office for Recovery, Reconstruction, and Resilience.”
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1758820001


So far $46 billion has actually been sent. But Puerto Rico has only distributed about $11 billion. Congress has authorized even more aide. But what has Puerto Rico done with approximately $30 billion which wasn't distributed?

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Jul 20, 2019 03:42:43   #
JoyV
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Sorry, this was cut off. Puerto Rico's problems are a result of their own doing.



1999 GDP was $38 Billion, 2003 GDP $47.4 Billion.

Revenue 2002: $10.5 Billion;
Taxes: 62.6%
Income tax: 46.5%
Excise tax: 14.1%
Federal Grants: 19.0%
Non-tax revenue: 18.4%
Expenditures: $10.5 Billion
Public debt (outstanding; 1999): $22.7 Billion

Welfare: 22.3%
Education: 22.3%

Foreign Trade (2002-2003): (its dependence on imports)
Imports: 33.8 Billion
Exports: 55.2 Billion
(their Trade Surplus is enough to erase their debt)

Economy
The economy of Puerto Rico is classified as a high-income economy by the World Bank and as the most competitive economy in Latin America by the World Economic Forum but Puerto Rico currently has a public debt of $72.204 billion (equivalent to 103% of GNP), and a government deficit of $2.5 billion. According to the World Bank, gross national income per capita of Puerto Rico in 2013 is $23,830, ranked as 63rd among all sovereign and dependent territories entities in the world.

Puerto Rico experienced a recession from 2006 to 2011, interrupted by 4 quarters of economic growth, and entered into recession again in 2013, following growing fiscal imbalance and the expiration of the IRS Section 936 corporate incentives that the U.S. Internal Revenue Code had applied to Puerto Rico. This IRS section was critical to the economy, as it established tax exemptions for U.S. corporations that settled in Puerto Rico, and allowed their insular subsidiaries to send their earnings to the parent corporation at any time, without paying federal tax on corporate income. Puerto Rico has surprisingly been able to maintain relatively low inflation in the past decade while maintaining a purchasing power parity per capita higher than 80% of the rest of the world.

most of Puerto Rico's economic woes stem from its inability to become self-sufficient and self-sustainable throughout history; its highly politicized public policy which tends to change whenever a political party gains power; as well as its highly inefficient local government which has accrued a public debt equal to 68% of its gross domestic product throughout time.

The heavy debt load of their own creation.
In early 2017, the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis posed serious problems for the government which was saddled with outstanding bond debt that had climbed to $70 billion at a time with a 45 percent poverty rate and 12.4% unemployment that is more than twice the mainland U.S. average. The debt had been increasing during a decade long recession.

The Commonwealth had been defaulting on many debts, including bonds, since 2015. With debt payments due, the governor was facing the risk of a government shutdown and failure to fund the managed health care system. "Without action before April, Puerto Rico's ability to execute contracts for Fiscal Year 2018 with its managed care organizations will be threatened, thereby putting at risk beginning July 1, 2017 the health care of up to 900,000 poor U.S. citizens living in Puerto Rico", according to a letter sent to Congress by the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of Health and Human Services. They also said that "Congress must enact measures recommended by both Republicans and Democrats that fix Puerto Rico's inequitable health care financing structure and promote sustained economic growth."

Initially, the oversight board created under PROMESA called for Puerto Rico's governor Ricardo Rosselló to deliver a fiscal turnaround plan by January 28. Just before that deadline, the control board gave the Commonwealth government until February 28 to present a fiscal plan (including negotiations with creditors for restructuring debt) to solve the problems. A moratorium on lawsuits by debtors was extended to May 31. It is essential for Puerto Rico to reach restructuring deals to avoid a bankruptcy-like process under PROMESA. An internal survey conducted by the Puerto Rican Economists Association revealed that the majority of Puerto Rican economists reject the policy recommendations of the Board and the Rosselló government, with more than 80% of economists arguing in favor of auditing the debt.

In early August 2017, the island's financial oversight board (created by PROMESA) planned to institute two days off without pay per month for government employees, down from the original plan of four days per month; the latter had been expected to achieve $218 million in savings. Governor Rossello rejected this plan as unjustified and unnecessary. Pension reforms were also discussed including a proposal for a 10% reduction in benefits to begin addressing the $50 billion in unfunded pension liabilities.

Public finances
Puerto Rico has an operating budget of about U.S.$9.8 billion with expenses at about $10.4 billion, creating a structural deficit of $775 million (about 7.9% of the budget). The practice of approving budgets with a structural deficit has been done for 19 consecutive years starting in 2000. Throughout those years, including the present time, all budgets contemplated issuing bonds to cover these projected deficits rather than making structural adjustments. This practice increased Puerto Rico's cumulative debt, as the government had already been issuing bonds to balance its actual budget for four decades since 1973.

The consolidated budget is usually thrice the size of the general budget; currently $29B and $9.0B respectively. Almost one out of every four dollars in the consolidated budget comes from U.S. federal subsidies while government-owned corporations compose more than 31% of the consolidated budget.

The local government of Puerto Rico has requested several times to the U.S. Congress to exclude Puerto Rico from the Jones Act restrictions without success. These measures have always received support from all the major local political parties.
Sorry, this was cut off. Puerto Rico's problems a... (show quote)


Don't know about the rest of your post. It sounds very informative. But as for the Jones Act, Trump waived it after the hurricane. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/trump-authorizes-jones-act-shipping-restrictions-be-waived-for-puerto-rico.html

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Jul 20, 2019 04:09:37   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
Someone in the world lies and Trump is then free to do at his pleasure? Hey, everyone else does it, right? Why pick on the president? Because he is the president and leader of the Free World. It matters!


So were Clinton and Obama when they made those lies. So if it matters when Trump lies (exaggerates figures), why does it not matter when Clinton or Obama lie. You can expand that to include several other presidents. In fact some lies were so big it took media conspiracy to hide the t***h from the American people. The public was lied to about FDR being able to walk. Media helped cover up the t***h by never showing him from the waist down. JFK perpetuated the lie that he was a loyal husband and family man while the white house had a virtual revolving door of women for him.

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Jul 20, 2019 07:45:49   #
markc Loc: Tennessee
 
JoyV wrote:
So far $46 billion has actually been sent. But Puerto Rico has only distributed about $11 billion. Congress has authorized even more aide. But what has Puerto Rico done with approximately $30 billion which wasn't distributed?


One of the largest natural disasters in U.S. history. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/puerto-rico-crisis/hurricane-maria-death-toll-puerto-rico-may-be-closer-2-n904426

There was $14-15 million embezzled from corruption which they got caught but that’s a far cry from even $1 billion. And of the $42 B allocated only $14 has been dispersed, most of it lack of planning on Puerto Rico’s part. That is still no reason for the president to lie or use his alternative facts. He is supposed to be a leader from the “Shining Beacon on a Hill.”


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1031276

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