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Jul 20, 2019 23:40:48   #
Radiance3
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
The information you offer is simply incomplete.
The post above implicates the residents on Terra del Fuego as descendants from the Australian aborigines at 60,000 years ago before the last Ice Age. DNA testing supports this archaeological evidence.

Did you read the entire article I posted from the BBC? Do you have a problem with this new evidence? Why? Maybe you did not read the article. Please go back and read it in full. The evidence is here.

The east coast Indians did assimilate, become farmers, these people now well educated business proprietors, some in the entertainment industry, others in construction companies and more in law enforcement, and their businesses are incessantly fighting greedy labor union salts trying to cut in on the profits. Do not assume all Indians will join the leftwing socialist Democrats. They are fully aware of the history of the KKK, Democrat Party, Marxism and Social Darwinism and the Civil War.

The west coast Indians did not fair so well, enslaving their own people in the fields, strung out on cocaine for the past 10,000 years, their civilizations began to collapse long before the arrival of Columbus.

Don't blame the Europeans for this, blame the boneheaded tribal socialists chieftains, no different than the boneheaded Pharaohs of Egypt during EXODUS, the first s***e r*******n in human history.
The information you offer is simply incomplete. b... (show quote)

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I must be honest. You've done more researched. I gauzed at the history quickly and with time constraint, I made conclusion short of the facts. Thank you.

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Jul 21, 2019 23:22:39   #
Cuda2020
 
Singularity wrote:
It's a fact, not a choice. You don't know the difference so argumentation is futile. As this is the politics section, not the religious, perhaps we have imposed upon this space and these readers long enough.



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Jul 21, 2019 23:31:26   #
Cuda2020
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
The information you offer is simply incomplete.
The post above implicates the residents on Terra del Fuego as descendants from the Australian aborigines at 60,000 years ago before the last Ice Age. DNA testing supports this archaeological evidence.

Did you read the entire article I posted from the BBC? Do you have a problem with this new evidence? Why? Maybe you did not read the article. Please go back and read it in full. The evidence is here.

The east coast Indians did assimilate, become farmers, these people now well educated business proprietors, some in the entertainment industry, others in construction companies and more in law enforcement, and their businesses are incessantly fighting greedy labor union salts trying to cut in on the profits. Do not assume all Indians will join the leftwing socialist Democrats. They are fully aware of the history of the KKK, Democrat Party, Marxism and Social Darwinism and the Civil War.

The west coast Indians did not fair so well, enslaving their own people in the fields, strung out on cocaine for the past 10,000 years, their civilizations began to collapse long before the arrival of Columbus.

Don't blame the Europeans for this, blame the boneheaded tribal socialists chieftains, no different than the boneheaded Pharaohs of Egypt during EXODUS, the first s***e r*******n in human history.
The information you offer is simply incomplete. b... (show quote)


First socialists don't have s***es, you obviously don't understand true socialism. Second the American native Indians who live on a reservation can't v**e unless they have dual citizenship. The Indian nation is independent from the US, so no party involved.

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Jul 22, 2019 08:59:15   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
First socialists don't have s***es, you obviously don't understand true socialism. Second the American native Indians who live on a reservation can't v**e unless they have dual citizenship. The Indian nation is independent from the US, so no party involved.


Man, you are wrong! American Indians have been able to v**e in Federal e******ns since 1924. You are the product of “progressive” public education.

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Jul 22, 2019 10:11:33   #
Cuda2020
 
amadjuster wrote:
Man, you are wrong! American Indians have been able to v**e in Federal e******ns since 1924. You are the product of “progressive” public education.


Read carefully, I never said they weren't able to v**e, not what I said at all, but you guys never read thoroughly.

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Jul 22, 2019 10:43:49   #
Singularity
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
First socialists don't have s***es, you obviously don't understand true socialism. Second the American native Indians who live on a reservation can't v**e unless they have dual citizenship. The Indian nation is independent from the US, so no party involved.

Poised on the brink of destruction, the Native American empires greeted the Spanish Conquistadors as cultural equals.

https://youtu.be/8-dQdASWkDU

The decimation was catalyzed if not precipitated, and their ultimate demise seems to have been accelerated by the interaction with European culture and depredations.

And measles.

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Jul 22, 2019 11:31:48   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Read carefully, I never said they weren't able to v**e, not what I said at all, but you guys never read thoroughly.


Better read it again, Mr. Bacaruda, This is what you wrote, "Second the American native Indians who live on a reservation can't v**e unless they have dual citizenship. The Indian nation is independent from the US, so no party involved."

All American Indians are US Citizens and have the right to v**e. You clearly said they can't v**e UNLESS they have dual citizenship. They are born as US Citizens. You should have American History in school.

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Jul 22, 2019 12:27:15   #
JediKnight
 
Singularity wrote:
And yours is a slightly upgraded "God of the Gaps" X "Argument from Ignorance" fallacy. (Wince! I did not name them myself, some philosophy guys did.) Your assertion without proof is moot. I'm off Scot free! Sorry that is just how that works.I don't have any need at all to disprove something that has no evident discernable existence or effect upon matter, space and time! That kind of entity is at the very least indistinguishable from a non existent one.

No. Assuming there is anything that is or could be supernatural is irrational, until some evidence of supernatural existence or activity is presented. I simply recognize and ADMIT I do not know all things. And remain skeptical a la Russell's Orbital Teapot analogy. If I were to superstitiously/religiously cling to an unproven, unevidenced and improbable notion, with emotional fervor, then if or when the correct answer comes up, would I be interested or I would be smug and defensive?
And yours is a slightly upgraded "God of the ... (show quote)


Simple response: you "know" that the sun is hot by feeling its touch upon your skin. I know that God is real by "feeling" Him working within me. period. Sad thing here is, you lose absolutely nothing by believing in God - but you risk everything by not believing. period.

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Jul 22, 2019 13:10:57   #
Singularity
 
JediKnight wrote:
Simple response: you "know" that the sun is hot by feeling its touch upon your skin. I know that God is real by "feeling" Him working within me. period. Sad thing here is, you lose absolutely nothing by believing in God - but you risk everything by not believing. period.


I'm not "feeling it," Bro. Never have. Prayed for it with the sincerest of childlike, heartfelt prayers each of the three times I was baptized. Waited decades, still praying. Now I've concluded that my disbelief is an accurate reflection of the true state of affairs.

Honest to your touchy feely God!

Actually you are only seeing half the picture.
Are you aware you are saying I should affirm what is to me a false assertion? Risk my word, my bond, my honor, my touchstone to reality and all there is by asserting the lie that I believe that which cannot be perceived, only purported by others?

The bible God, it is stated, h**es liars and luke warm affirmations of faith make it wanna puke.

So, this is the best I can do to honestly get its attention if it actually were to exist. I don't know what it would take to actually convince me, but I'm betting an omnipotent and omniscient being would.

Tired of waiting and a little salty about it.

Trying to get on and stay content, if not happy, with what appears to be the last little bit of life available to a human individual.

Doing okay, mostly, these days.

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Jul 22, 2019 14:17:17   #
Rose42
 
JediKnight wrote:
Simple response: you "know" that the sun is hot by feeling its touch upon your skin. I know that God is real by "feeling" Him working within me. period. Sad thing here is, you lose absolutely nothing by believing in God - but you risk everything by not believing. period.



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Jul 22, 2019 16:30:04   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
JediKnight wrote:
Simple response: you "know" that the sun is hot by feeling its touch upon your skin. I know that God is real by "feeling" Him working within me. period. Sad thing here is, you lose absolutely nothing by believing in God - but you risk everything by not believing. period.


Then why are you so judgmental and rude. We all have opinions, even if you can't seem to grasp that.

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Jul 22, 2019 18:24:59   #
JediKnight
 
Singularity wrote:
I'm not "feeling it," Bro. Never have. Prayed for it with the sincerest of childlike, heartfelt prayers each of the three times I was baptized. Waited decades, still praying. Now I've concluded that my disbelief is an accurate reflection of the true state of affairs.

Honest to your touchy feely God!

Actually you are only seeing half the picture.
Are you aware you are saying I should affirm what is to me a false assertion? Risk my word, my bond, my honor, my touchstone to reality and all there is by asserting the lie that I believe that which cannot be perceived, only purported by others?

The bible God, it is stated, h**es liars and luke warm affirmations of faith make it wanna puke.

So, this is the best I can do to honestly get its attention if it actually were to exist. I don't know what it would take to actually convince me, but I'm betting an omnipotent and omniscient being would.

Tired of waiting and a little salty about it.

Trying to get on and stay content, if not happy, with what appears to be the last little bit of life available to a human individual.

Doing okay, mostly, these days.
I'm not "feeling it," Bro. Never have. ... (show quote)


Why did you "believe" your parents or your siblings when they said, "Come on honey, jump - I'll catch you?" The first time you jumped -and really each time thereafter - you had no "proof" they would actually catch you....yet you jumped anyway.....

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Jul 22, 2019 18:53:21   #
Singularity
 
JediKnight wrote:
Why did you "believe" your parents or your siblings when they said, "Come on honey, jump - I'll catch you?" The first time you jumped -and really each time thereafter - you had no "proof" they would actually catch you....yet you jumped anyway.....

Just like the sun coming up every morning, some things are predictable due to regular consistent experience of past performance.

Its called inductive logic. One infers what is implied. Subtle.

I had decent human beings who parented me adequately. Consistent repeated past experience of them and their constancy and integrity of performance provided sufficient belief in the continued efficacy of following the childlike tendency to generally trust one's competent caretakers.

Couldn't trust my brother, though. He was 19 months older but I was taller and heavier. In spite of good intentions I had sense enough to know he or the little kids would crumple like bugs if I jumped off the cabinet onto them.

When Daddy tricked my brothers into trying liver and onions by claiming it was dinosaur meat, I knew to inform them not to eat it, that someone must have tricked Daddy! Since dinosaurs were extinct, that meat should be rancid after that amount of time. Sure smelled bad!

Actually though, knowledge that my parents actually existed in reality was the real jumping off point.

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Jul 22, 2019 19:00:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Singularity wrote:

Are you aware you are saying I should affirm what is to me a false assertion? Risk my word, my bond, my honor, my touchstone to reality and all there is by asserting the lie that I believe that which cannot be perceived, only purported by others?


There is much in this universe that cannot be perceived by human beings. There is much in this universe beyond the limitations of human senses. Scientists surely know this. If we knew all there is to know about the existing universe, scientists would be out of a job.

It is irrational to say the existence of God is a "false assertion" simply because you do not believe it.

You do not believe an infinite creative intelligence, a supernatural Creator, exists, OK, fine, I do not believe you are lying. IOW, the t***h is you don't believe in God.

You cannot provide those who believe God exists with undeniable proof that He does not exist, just as those who believe He exists cannot provide you with undeniable proof that He does. Stalemate.

So, why is it necessary to mock those who believe in God, why the self-righteous snobbery toward believers?

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Jul 22, 2019 20:07:08   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is much in this universe that cannot be perceived by human beings. There is much in this universe beyond the limitations of human senses. Scientists surely know this. If we knew all there is to know about the existing universe, scientists would be out of a job.

It is irrational to say the existence of God is a "false assertion" simply because you do not believe it.

You do not believe an infinite creative intelligence, a supernatural Creator, exists, OK, fine, I do not believe you are lying. IOW, the t***h is you don't believe in God.

You cannot provide those who believe God exists with undeniable proof that He does not exist, just as those who believe He exists cannot provide you with undeniable proof that He does. Stalemate.

So, why is it necessary to mock those who believe in God, why the self-righteous snobbery toward believers?
There is much in this universe that cannot be perc... (show quote)


I asserted my disbelief in its existence, not proof of nonexistence. You make the positive assertion, yours is the burden of proof. Since you have failed to meet your burden of proof, I am unpersuaded. I'm not particularly interested in showing you the futility of an attempt at disproving a negative. You are frustrated enough that you can't gather an iota of positive evidence to prove a positive claim of the existence of any kind of supernatural phenomena.

And I just don't care to engage with you, thank you. Its not my job to reassure your faith in that which I do not believe. How would that even work?

Stalemate?

How is this for further symmetry?

You believe you get heaven and avoid Hell. I refuse to allow my integrity to be bought or intimidated!

You specifically exclude yourself from this specific conversation every time I kick your ass with a definitive rebuttal. Then you jump back in and assert your same old tired objections whenever someone else brings the question.

I'm carefully avoiding mockery yet being as kind yet forthright and inclusive as I can in answering JK, because he hasn't shown himself, yet, to be as big of a raw aswhole as you have been. Even though his persistence is puzzling since this is off topic in a non religious section, no one has formally objected they are bored or feel crowded out, and I'm bored with the third day in a row of rain with flash flood warnings. I'm stuck in the house. Maybe he is bored as well. So... WTF....

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