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Jul 17, 2019 21:40:28   #
JoyV
 
blaise wrote:
Is screaming for asylum a crime? Especially when you're fleeing from the mess we made in central america. I spent some time living in that part of world...loved pointing out DEA people & getting them barred from bars.


If someone knocked on your door and asked for help, they are no breaking any laws. If they pried open a window and came into your house uninvited, and when found then asked for help; would you consider them innocent of any crime? Would you be more willing or less willing to help them than if that came to your door?

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Jul 17, 2019 21:46:49   #
JoyV
 
blaise wrote:
Well I don't think you should quote numbers out of the air...or those from god as the mission/federal states.


From 87% to 90%. Rounding them gives you that figure. What I do when I don't want to use the exact figure, is say "about" or "approximately". And 90% is an approximation of 87%. In fact, I doubt 87% is actually accurate either but another approximation. It could have been 87.3, or 87.9, or 87.?

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Jul 17, 2019 22:29:44   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
blaise wrote:
de acuerdo ... but trump/sessions made it a policy to separate families. Never before have we been so draconian


Au contraire. We interned over 100,000 Japanese who were American citizens during WWII, We deported tens of thousands, and perhaps more, American citizens of Mexican descent in the 1930's. We passed a Chinese exclusion act to prevent Immigration. We k**led and ens***ed Native Americans, B****s, and who knows how many others. Now don't get me wrong. I am not bashing America. The Left, Progressives, Democrats, Socialists, B*M, C*******ts, A****a, Big Government Statists, Elitists, and all the others do enough of that. I am only pointing out the fact that Trump is far from draconian. We can do without the hyperbole.

Winston Churchill said something like this, "You can't count on America to always do the right thing after they have tried everything else." The right thing to do is quit giving blanket amnesty to i*****l I*******ts and quit allowing Democrats (and RINOs) to secure e******ns by playing favor to i*****l i*******ts and opening our borders to takers who have no interest in accepting and becoming real American citizens believing in "One Nation Under God," "E Pluribus Unum," and Liberty and Justice for all. Not child Traffickers, Gate Crashers, Fence Jumpers, Drug Smugglers, Terrorists, Gangs, Criminals and any who are not willing to learn our lingua franca, English, and assimilate.

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Jul 17, 2019 22:36:29   #
Hadenough
 
JoyV wrote:
From 87% to 90%. Rounding them gives you that figure. What I do when I don't want to use the exact figure, is say "about" or "approximately". And 90% is an approximation of 87%. In fact, I doubt 87% is actually accurate either but another approximation. It could have been 87.3, or 87.9, or 87.?


JoyV,

Where did blaise go? I'm waiting for his response to my questions on his posts. I hope he isn't teaching at SDSU indoctrinating young easily swayed students toward socialism. When I was in school teachers/professors taught and didn't give their opinion as gospel. They presented the subject and findings and let us formulate our own opinion. Of course our education system has drastically changed and not for the good.


MAGA
God Bless The USA and President Trump

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Jul 17, 2019 22:39:15   #
JoyV
 
Singularity wrote:
Under Obama's policies, asylum seekers were showing up for their hearings in the 90 percent range when given a date and released with an ankle bracelet. With the recent overwhelming number of criminalizing strategies by this administration, including the international human rights violations in regard to separating mothers from babies, the system is overwhelmed, they don't have judges or court personnel to schedule or send notice of any hearings.

Perhaps the Republicans would like just cut to the chase and set up a******n clinics in Central America to deal with the problem at the source, and save us all a lot of time and effort.

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

"Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.

Despite statistics showing that asylum seekers appear in immigration court at high rates, President Trump Administration has repeatedly falsely claimed that only 3 percent of asylum seekers and 2 percent of immigrants attend immigration court. Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen stated that asylum seekers “more than not” fail to appear in immigration court.

The Trump Administration erroneously claims asylum seekers skip court hearings in an attempt to further their deceptive narrative of the asylum system as a “loophole” exploited by individuals with meritless claims to enter the United States and “disappear into the economy.” Indeed, the administration’s so-called Migration Protection Protocols plan, also known as ‘Remain in Mexico,’ is premised upon the idea that asylum seekers do not show up to court. These false claims ignore the political repression and violence that forces people to flee their countries amidst the world’s worst refugee crisis.

GET THE FACTS

ANALYSES OF GOVERNMENT STATISTICS CONFIRM:
92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017
According to DOJ statistics, between 2013 and 2017, 92 percent of asylum seekers appeared in court to receive a final decision on their claims. In FY 2018, 89.4 percent of those who applied for asylum complied with their court hearing obligations. Out of 66,592 final asylum decisions, 7,072 denials were the result of the asylum seeker failing to appear in court.

Asylum seekers released from detention to pursue their claims attend immigration court hearings nearly 100 percent of the time...."

~

So the only reason be needs to lock em up, is that he WANTS TO for some reason, and no one seems able to stop him.
Under Obama's policies, asylum seekers were showin... (show quote)


Looks like the 90% figure was correct after all.
https://ijr.com/dhs-secretary-whopping-percentage-migrants-dont-show-hearing/

But the same number used in one article for the number of asylum seekers who don't show up to court, you will see in another article as the number who do show up. I will go by the official DHS numbers. I did note that at least some articles are basing the number who do not show up from the number ordered removed for absentia. This assumes every asylum seeker who misses their court date is immediately ordered removed.

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Jul 17, 2019 22:50:10   #
JoyV
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I didn't come up with the number. Singularity did.

So, how many people did cross the border in 2018?


Don't know how many crossed. No one does unless they have divine knowledge. But the number who are caught are recorded. Without looking up the particulars, early in the year CBP was apprehending approximately 30,000 per month. By late summer, it was about 50,000 per month. By December, it was between 65,000 to 75,000. January of 2019 topped 100,000. Last figure I read from DHS, a couple of months ago, was 140,000+.

Does that help to get a ball park figure?

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Jul 17, 2019 23:05:56   #
JoyV
 
Singularity wrote:
I am speaking of the legal asylum seekers who are trying to follow the law. You are confusing and lumping in the ones who have broken the law to skew the figures to your advantage. Trumps policies, according to Sessions, were changed and the process made more torturous and draconian and abusive for the expressed purpose of scaring people to discourage them from attempting to come, legal asylum seekers included.

I am championing the legitimate victims who are caught up in this mess. Trump wants to sacrifice their babies to feed his lust for power. And he is using the Constitution to light the blaze after shredding the pillars of justice and human decency to make kindling.
I am speaking of the legal asylum seekers who are ... (show quote)


Lots of adjectives. But can you be more specific? Just how is Trump sacrificing the babies? Is it sacrificing them to do a DNA test and not let traffickers keep them by lying about being the parents? So for those who request asylum at a port of entry, what abuse are they forced to suffer? And do you not think making it easy encourages more who are really coming here for economic reasons or criminal reasons, will not be encouraged to come? So if you had the responsibility to the American people; their economic welfare, their safety, and law and order; how would you handle it? (within the United States Constitution.)

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Jul 17, 2019 23:34:03   #
JoyV
 
blaise wrote:
de acuerdo ... but trump/sessions made it a policy to separate families. Never before have we been so draconian


Trump didn't start the policy. Nor is it routine. Children are separated for specific reasons. Some of the reasons include:

*If the adult they are with will be incarcerated in our penal system. (Do you want kids sent to prison with their parents?)
*If the agent has reason to suspect the child is being abused. (Would you rather an abuser keep the child?)
*If their is reason to suspect the adult is not the parent or relative. (Would you rather child traffickers keep the child?)
*If the child or adult is sick and needs hospitalization. (Would you rather leave the sick in general detention?)

Obama separated children. The differences were

1) Under Obama the children were kept in warehouses behind chain link, and sometimes in padlocked chain link pens. They slept on the floor instead of beds. Trump's detention facilities have beds, they go to school, and get to play both in and outdoors. Due to extreme overcrowding, not everyone gets their own bed. But they don't sleep in rows on the floor of a warehouse.

2) Children were not kept as long under Obama because anyone claiming to be the parent of a child left with the child without being required to provide any sort of proof they are who they said they were. No DNA or even fingerprinting was done. And if the child said they didn't know the person, or that they were afraid of the person, or even if the person had hurt them; they were handed over. Many children were later found working in labor camps and others disappeared into the sex trade.

So if the child were mine, I'd rather they go into one of Trump's "concentration" camps in dormitory style living for a year; than be held for a couple of months in a padlocked cage and be handed over to a trafficker.

The first 2 photos were taken in 2014. The last 2 in 2019.









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Jul 18, 2019 00:14:16   #
JoyV
 
Singularity wrote:
My bad, I had to re edit the link and quote. You may have not gone back to see the edit.

Here you go.

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

"Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.
My bad, I had to re edit the link and quote. You m... (show quote)


But DHS documented in 2018 that 87% did NOT show up. This year it is 90%.
In 2018, according to the DOJ, 70,000 asylum seekers entered at a port of entry. 47,000 removal orders for absentia (they didn't show to their hearing) were issued. I'm pretty brain dead right now to do the math, but that certainly doesn't add up to 89% of asylum seekers attending their hearings!

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1109731/download
(see page 16)
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1060851/download
https://ijr.com/dhs-secretary-whopping-percentage-migrants-dont-show-hearing/

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Jul 18, 2019 00:20:03   #
JoyV
 
Singularity wrote:
ah!

If they are seeking asylum, the court hearing is the only way in! That's what they came for. His comment betrays his belief that they are ALL essentially lying. And justifies the desire to punish them cruelly.


Since the vast majority will NOT be granted asylum, those who know they have little to no chance have no reason to show up to be deported. They are already IN the US. It would be better if they has asylum status, but better to meld into the populous illegally, than go to the hearing and be deported.

Unless you are one of those l*****ts who automatically think a minority is too dumb to reason things out so must be protected from their own decision consequences. Got news for you. We ain't that dumb!

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Jul 18, 2019 00:24:37   #
JoyV
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Excuse me for the omission. By "path to citizenship" I did not mean to imply they maintain their status-quo so that all is forgiven when applying for legal status. However, I would not be opposed to their paying fines and administrative costs to remedy their situation, allowing them to stay. But they must undergo vetting.

I have relatives from Korea who went through the process in the early 1970s and they waited in line for their turn to immigrate. To do otherwise is a slap in the face from anyone who sidesteps the legal process.
For this reason, I favor a strong border to prevent gate crashers and border jumpers. A wall, barrier, fence, wh**ever means necessary to reduce illegal border crossings.

My neighbor across the street is Latina, born in the USA to parents who legally immigrated here. Her husband who is from Mexico tried to cross the border to visit and was caught. He had to wait ten years before he could come here again legally (do to otherwise and be caught again would permanently disqualify him).
He played by the rules and after the long wait was granted permission to join his wife and children, and now has citizenship. He made a mistake and he paid for it by taking responsibility for his actions. Now they are the best neighbors I have. Good family values and strong ties to the community, a legitimate job, and home.

Here's some news:
Alleged MS-13 gang members from L.A. have been charged in a string of grisly k*****gs.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-16/ms-13-committed-gruesome-k*****gs?utm_source=Essential+California&utm_campaign=1289613959-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6e35f7f85b-1289613959-84346717

CBP denies Marine veteran entry for citizenship interview.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/immigration/story/2019-07-15/cbp-denies-marine-corps-veteran-entry-for-citizenship-interview?utm_source=Essential+California&utm_campaign=1289613959-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6e35f7f85b-1289613959-84346717
Excuse me for the omission. By "path to citi... (show quote)


I am always welcoming to immigrants. NOT to i*****l a***ns. Good to have you, your family, and neighbors as Americans. Welcome!

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Jul 18, 2019 00:28:55   #
JoyV
 
Hadenough wrote:
JoyV,

Where did blaise go? I'm waiting for his response to my questions on his posts. I hope he isn't teaching at SDSU indoctrinating young easily swayed students toward socialism. When I was in school teachers/professors taught and didn't give their opinion as gospel. They presented the subject and findings and let us formulate our own opinion. Of course our education system has drastically changed and not for the good.


MAGA
God Bless The USA and President Trump


I agree.

MAGA
Semper Forte

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Jul 18, 2019 00:42:08   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JoyV wrote:
Trump didn't start the policy. Nor is it routine. Children are separated for specific reasons. Some of the reasons include:

*If the adult they are with will be incarcerated in our penal system. (Do you want kids sent to prison with their parents?)
*If the agent has reason to suspect the child is being abused. (Would you rather an abuser keep the child?)
*If their is reason to suspect the adult is not the parent or relative. (Would you rather child traffickers keep the child?)
*If the child or adult is sick and needs hospitalization. (Would you rather leave the sick in general detention?)

Obama separated children. The differences were

1) Under Obama the children were kept in warehouses behind chain link, and sometimes in padlocked chain link pens. They slept on the floor instead of beds. Trump's detention facilities have beds, they go to school, and get to play both in and outdoors. Due to extreme overcrowding, not everyone gets their own bed. But they don't sleep in rows on the floor of a warehouse.

2) Children were not kept as long under Obama because anyone claiming to be the parent of a child left with the child without being required to provide any sort of proof they are who they said they were. No DNA or even fingerprinting was done. And if the child said they didn't know the person, or that they were afraid of the person, or even if the person had hurt them; they were handed over. Many children were later found working in labor camps and others disappeared into the sex trade.

So if the child were mine, I'd rather they go into one of Trump's "concentration" camps in dormitory style living for a year; than be held for a couple of months in a padlocked cage and be handed over to a trafficker.

The first 2 photos were taken in 2014. The last 2 in 2019.
Trump didn't start the policy. Nor is it routine.... (show quote)



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Jul 18, 2019 00:42:34   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JoyV wrote:
Since the vast majority will NOT be granted asylum, those who know they have little to no chance have no reason to show up to be deported. They are already IN the US. It would be better if they has asylum status, but better to meld into the populous illegally, than go to the hearing and be deported.

Unless you are one of those l*****ts who automatically think a minority is too dumb to reason things out so must be protected from their own decision consequences. Got news for you. We ain't that dumb!
Since the vast majority will NOT be granted asylum... (show quote)



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Jul 18, 2019 00:43:05   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JoyV wrote:
But DHS documented in 2018 that 87% did NOT show up. This year it is 90%.
In 2018, according to the DOJ, 70,000 asylum seekers entered at a port of entry. 47,000 removal orders for absentia (they didn't show to their hearing) were issued. I'm pretty brain dead right now to do the math, but that certainly doesn't add up to 89% of asylum seekers attending their hearings!

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1109731/download
(see page 16)
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1060851/download
https://ijr.com/dhs-secretary-whopping-percentage-migrants-dont-show-hearing/
But DHS documented in 2018 that 87% did NOT show u... (show quote)



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