I've had this debate here before about how long it takes a wind turbine to pay for itself. I simply ask my son who works on them here around Amarillo. The 1.5 megawatt towers on his home farm generate about 60 bucks per megawatt hour if I recall correctly. It's a 3 million dollar machine, and you have to add in maintaining them as well. Parts are very expensive, and the people who climb, and work on them are compensated very well.
I'll take my son's word as t***h since that is his world, and area of expertise. According to him, it takes a minimum of 10 years for one to pay for itself if all goes well.

I'm not arguing here Arch, just presenting info from informed sources.

What It Will Take for the Wind and Solar Industries to Collapse

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/what_it_will_take_for_the_wind_and_solar_industries_to_collapse.html

(From educated sources.) Excerpt from the article - :

"The bankruptcy of PG&E, the largest California utility, has created some cracks in the façade. A bankruptcy judge has ruled that cancelation of up to $40 billion in long-term energy contracts is a possibility. These contracts are not essential or needed to preserve the supply of electricity because they are mostly for wind or solar electricity supply that varies with the weather and can't be counted on. As a consequence, there has to exist and does exist the necessary infrastructure to supply the electricity needs without the wind or solar energy."

"For technical reasons, an electrical grid cannot run on wind or solar much more than 50% of the time. The fleet of backup plants must be online to provide adjustable output to compensate for erratic variations in wind or solar. Output has to be ramped up to meet early-evening peaks. Wind suffers from a cube power law, meaning that if the wind drops by 10%, the electricity drops by 30%. Solar suffers from too much generation in the middle of the day and not enough generation to meet early evening peaks in consumption."

"There is a movement to include batteries with solar installations to move excessive middle-of-the-day generation to the early evening. This is a palliative to extend the time before solar runs into the curtailment wall. The batteries are extremely expensive and wear out every five years."

Neither wind nor solar is competitive without subsidies. If the subsidies and quotas were taken away, no wind or solar operation outside very special situations would be built. Further, the existing installations would continue only as long as their contracts are honored and they are cash flow–positive. In order to be competitive, without subsidies, wind or solar would have to supply electricity for less than $20 per megawatt-hour, the marginal cost of generating the electricity with gas or coal. Only the marginal cost counts, because the f****l f**l plants have to be there whether or not there is wind or solar. Without the subsidies, quotas, and 25-year contracts, wind or solar would have to get about $100 per megawatt-hour for its electricity. That gap, between $100 and $20, is a wide chasm only bridged by subsidies and mandates.

Not saying your son doesn't know what he's talking about, perhaps for his experience he is on the money. But, did he take into consideraton the financial end of it. The investment end of it..?? Slow a wind turbine down, let it break down a couple of times, .... and bingo, you have the 15 to 18 year forecast. Ask your son what is the major breakdown...?? (Bearings are listed as 76% of the time, and being the hardest and most expensive fix)


More on wind turbines. (Straight from the horses mouth)

https://blog.arcadiapower.com/15-important-facts-statistics-wind-turbines/

So, in t***h, what it will take for solar and wind power facilities to collapse is to take away the subsidies and mandates. Straight from the horses mouth.

A wave out to you neighbor. I used to live in Amarillo. Have been in Albuquerque area for about 38 years now.

I'm not arguing here Arch, just presenting info from informed sources.

What It Will Take for the Wind and Solar Industries to Collapse

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/what_it_will_take_for_the_wind_and_solar_industries_to_collapse.html

(From educated sources.) Excerpt from the article - :

"The bankruptcy of PG&E, the largest California utility, has created some cracks in the façade. A bankruptcy judge has ruled that cancelation of up to $40 billion in long-term energy contracts is a possibility. These contracts are not essential or needed to preserve the supply of electricity because they are mostly for wind or solar electricity supply that varies with the weather and can't be counted on. As a consequence, there has to exist and does exist the necessary infrastructure to supply the electricity needs without the wind or solar energy."

"For technical reasons, an electrical grid cannot run on wind or solar much more than 50% of the time. The fleet of backup plants must be online to provide adjustable output to compensate for erratic variations in wind or solar. Output has to be ramped up to meet early-evening peaks. Wind suffers from a cube power law, meaning that if the wind drops by 10%, the electricity drops by 30%. Solar suffers from too much generation in the middle of the day and not enough generation to meet early evening peaks in consumption."

"There is a movement to include batteries with solar installations to move excessive middle-of-the-day generation to the early evening. This is a palliative to extend the time before solar runs into the curtailment wall. The batteries are extremely expensive and wear out every five years."

Neither wind nor solar is competitive without subsidies. If the subsidies and quotas were taken away, no wind or solar operation outside very special situations would be built. Further, the existing installations would continue only as long as their contracts are honored and they are cash flow–positive. In order to be competitive, without subsidies, wind or solar would have to supply electricity for less than $20 per megawatt-hour, the marginal cost of generating the electricity with gas or coal. Only the marginal cost counts, because the f****l f**l plants have to be there whether or not there is wind or solar. Without the subsidies, quotas, and 25-year contracts, wind or solar would have to get about $100 per megawatt-hour for its electricity. That gap, between $100 and $20, is a wide chasm only bridged by subsidies and mandates.

Not saying your son doesn't know what he's talking about, perhaps for his experience he is on the money. But, did he take into consideraton the financial end of it. The investment end of it..?? Slow a wind turbine down, let it break down a couple of times, .... and bingo, you have the 15 to 18 year forecast. Ask your son what is the major breakdown...?? (Bearings are listed as 76% of the time, and being the hardest and most expensive fix)


More on wind turbines. (Straight from the horses mouth)

https://blog.arcadiapower.com/15-important-facts-statistics-wind-turbines/

So, in t***h, what it will take for solar and wind power facilities to collapse is to take away the subsidies and mandates. Straight from the horses mouth.

A wave out to you neighbor. I used to live in Amarillo. Have been in Albuquerque area for about 38 years now.

Seems its so easy to judge me, isn't it..?? Who said I'm against a non polluting source of power..?? Where did I say that..??

Anything I posted was already researched. Compare the states.. California and Washington have the largest number of wind turbines. How do they fare..?? Nevada just built 3 (that's 3, count em) huge solar power farms just outside of Las Vegas. And, to boot, that's why Harry Reid got in hot water, he was going to take the ranch land used by the Bundy's under a 99 year life lease to the family by the Fed gov, and sell it to the Chinese. But eventually, we all know where this went. And there are articles on several sites that talk about how now, Nevada is giving up on solar. Due to costs, construction cost overruns, poor performance by the solar arrays, t***smission problems, solar panel problems, etc, etc. Get the picture now..??

Arizona has 2 huge coal fired power plants, Page and Joseph City, along with the nuclear plant in Palo Verde. How do they fare..??

Texas, Kansas and Nebraska just spent the last 5 years putting up wind turbines all over the place. Amarillo, Dumas, Sweetwater, just to name a few. Liberal KS has been a site of several developments for wind power. Go ask the locals about it. Scottsbluff and Gering Nebraska. Go ask the locals about it.

The San Juan Generating station in NM was just shuttered. 1300 people out of jobs. All over environmentalist wackos. Did they attack the one at Page, AZ which is basically the same design..?? No, the state of AZ won't tolerate it. Something starting to jiggle a brain cell here..??

All I'm saying is that there is a bigger picture here than JUST wind, solar, or coal, or nuclear. In the old days, ALL power plants were powered by DIESEL engines. (I know, my dad ran one, the big 6 cylinder Waukesha engines) And the biggest misconception of all seems to be that that electricity at your house plug or the power at the recharge station for your electric car is somehow free or non-polluting. Its all a lie, sorry to tell you. The batteries that an electirc car use are expensive to make, and result in more pollution than any internal combustion engine puts out. Plus, once the battery has achieved its life span it can't be thrown away in a garbage dump. And batteries, all batteries, have a definite life span. Do you know what sulphuric acid is like, and its properties..?? The batteries have to be stored, permanently.

I did not post mis-information, dis-information, or any bullsh*t. The post was merely a collective summary of data I've read over the past few months. I would post the article about the batteries but I can't remember now where I saw it. You can find it with a little effort, so I don't feel obligated to hold your hand.

And no, sorry to bust your bubble, it doesn't take 5 years to rec**p the wind turbine investment. It takes 15 to 18 years. If you don't think so, go ask the people of Dumas TX how their investment is working out. They'll be glad to tell you.

Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T***h really out..??

Lets start with the latest. This Jeffrey Epstein thing is going to bring out some big names. Chuck Schumer and the Democrat party of NY are now implicated, as is DynCorp. Hmm, ya and along with that, ole Slick Willie comes up as a regular rider on the 'Lolita Express'. Wonder how long its going to take the DimmoCrapp party wagon to throw ole Willie under the bus on that one.??

Suddenly, there seem to be 15 or so big names coming to light in the Jeffy Epstein thingy.

My question here, is why did it take these women 13 to 17 years to come forward with their claims.?? If they got molested as an 'underage child', then why were they there on the airplane in the first place. Surely they KNEW in advance, as Jeffrey's madam did the procurement of underage PROSTITUTES (remember here, Jeffy didn't get these girls on his own) will the MADAM go to jail as well..?? Isn't she also guilty of 'Solicitation of Prostution',,,,... even if she didn't bionk any of the girls..??

The back story on all of this, the state of Florida isn't able to charge Jeffy on any of the charges as NONE of it happened IN the state of Florida.. Except for the 'Solicitation' Charge. Keep in mind here, while flying in a jet to the Virgin Islands, you're in INTERNATIONAL airspace. And, the NY charges all revolve around whether or not Jeffy can be brought up on charges that are relevant. I look for all this to go away, Jeffy will get a slap on the wrist, the girls will be swept under the carpet, and we move on to the next scandal of the day.

Moving on the AOC and her 'Catfight' with Nancy Pelosi, is this little schmuck really so stupid as to start a rowl with someone she can't really win against.?? I guess AOC thinks she can go up against the GRANDMOTHER of crooked politics. Really really stupid. Pelosi just might giver AOC the smackdown of her life. Or Pelosi's mob connections will silence AOC pretty well...

And, now its coming out that AOC's Green New Deal won't work out so well. Especially considering that Nevada just scrapped the solar plan. All that sun, and it doesn't do them any good, when you start considering the cost of production of the solar panels, the life span of the panels, and the cost of replacing them and trashing the old one's. The cost of the land, the cost of the wiring, solar only works during the day. Not so good an idea as it turns out. This wind energy not so good a thing either. Turbines are costly, take 12 to 15 years to rec**p the investment, and - still - the people on the grid haven't gotten the word - that they pay for the turbines to set, when the wind doesn't happen to blow. Thats the thing with those wind turbines, they only work right when the wind blows between 12-26 mph. Guess somebody forgot to tell the wind that.

Yep, AOIC (Alexandria Ocasio I***t Cortez) just should have done a little homework. Germany, Sweden, and a few other European countries, who were the first to bang the solar and wind drum, are now giving up on it, and...... going back to either COAL fired power plants, or going nuclear. And then we have the new age natural gas turbine plants. Ya, they do well, but of course Russia and Ukraine are more than willing to step up and furnish the coal and natural gas. Of course, this puts them on collision course with American industry and government. Hmmm, who would have guessed.>>>??? I don't look for that to end well, since Europe would be more than happy to buy the coal and natural gas from Russia... (Gasp..!! just can't have those nasty ole Russian's taking away from the American economy.)

So, its on to the next scandal of the day. Who's next..?? Slick Willie..?? Chuckie Schumer..?? Will AOIC put the smackdown on Pelosi..?? Who will Jeffy's black book put the finger on next..??

Yep, new day, new deck of cards.