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Jul 13, 2019 13:32:32   #
trucksterbud
 
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T***h really out..??

Lets start with the latest. This Jeffrey Epstein thing is going to bring out some big names. Chuck Schumer and the Democrat party of NY are now implicated, as is DynCorp. Hmm, ya and along with that, ole Slick Willie comes up as a regular rider on the 'Lolita Express'. Wonder how long its going to take the DimmoCrapp party wagon to throw ole Willie under the bus on that one.??

Suddenly, there seem to be 15 or so big names coming to light in the Jeffy Epstein thingy.

My question here, is why did it take these women 13 to 17 years to come forward with their claims.?? If they got molested as an 'underage child', then why were they there on the airplane in the first place. Surely they KNEW in advance, as Jeffrey's madam did the procurement of underage PROSTITUTES (remember here, Jeffy didn't get these girls on his own) will the MADAM go to jail as well..?? Isn't she also guilty of 'Solicitation of Prostution',,,,... even if she didn't bionk any of the girls..??

The back story on all of this, the state of Florida isn't able to charge Jeffy on any of the charges as NONE of it happened IN the state of Florida.. Except for the 'Solicitation' Charge. Keep in mind here, while flying in a jet to the Virgin Islands, you're in INTERNATIONAL airspace. And, the NY charges all revolve around whether or not Jeffy can be brought up on charges that are relevant. I look for all this to go away, Jeffy will get a slap on the wrist, the girls will be swept under the carpet, and we move on to the next scandal of the day.

Moving on the AOC and her 'Catfight' with Nancy Pelosi, is this little schmuck really so stupid as to start a rowl with someone she can't really win against.?? I guess AOC thinks she can go up against the GRANDMOTHER of crooked politics. Really really stupid. Pelosi just might giver AOC the smackdown of her life. Or Pelosi's mob connections will silence AOC pretty well...

And, now its coming out that AOC's Green New Deal won't work out so well. Especially considering that Nevada just scrapped the solar plan. All that sun, and it doesn't do them any good, when you start considering the cost of production of the solar panels, the life span of the panels, and the cost of replacing them and trashing the old one's. The cost of the land, the cost of the wiring, solar only works during the day. Not so good an idea as it turns out. This wind energy not so good a thing either. Turbines are costly, take 12 to 15 years to rec**p the investment, and - still - the people on the grid haven't gotten the word - that they pay for the turbines to set, when the wind doesn't happen to blow. Thats the thing with those wind turbines, they only work right when the wind blows between 12-26 mph. Guess somebody forgot to tell the wind that.

Yep, AOIC (Alexandria Ocasio I***t Cortez) just should have done a little homework. Germany, Sweden, and a few other European countries, who were the first to bang the solar and wind drum, are now giving up on it, and...... going back to either COAL fired power plants, or going nuclear. And then we have the new age natural gas turbine plants. Ya, they do well, but of course Russia and Ukraine are more than willing to step up and furnish the coal and natural gas. Of course, this puts them on collision course with American industry and government. Hmmm, who would have guessed.>>>??? I don't look for that to end well, since Europe would be more than happy to buy the coal and natural gas from Russia... (Gasp..!! just can't have those nasty ole Russian's taking away from the American economy.)

So, its on to the next scandal of the day. Who's next..?? Slick Willie..?? Chuckie Schumer..?? Will AOIC put the smackdown on Pelosi..?? Who will Jeffy's black book put the finger on next..??

Yep, new day, new deck of cards.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:56:43   #
Big dog
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T***h really out..??

Lets start with the latest. This Jeffrey Epstein thing is going to bring out some big names. Chuck Schumer and the Democrat party of NY are now implicated, as is DynCorp. Hmm, ya and along with that, ole Slick Willie comes up as a regular rider on the 'Lolita Express'. Wonder how long its going to take the DimmoCrapp party wagon to throw ole Willie under the bus on that one.??

Suddenly, there seem to be 15 or so big names coming to light in the Jeffy Epstein thingy.

My question here, is why did it take these women 13 to 17 years to come forward with their claims.?? If they got molested as an 'underage child', then why were they there on the airplane in the first place. Surely they KNEW in advance, as Jeffrey's madam did the procurement of underage PROSTITUTES (remember here, Jeffy didn't get these girls on his own) will the MADAM go to jail as well..?? Isn't she also guilty of 'Solicitation of Prostution',,,,... even if she didn't bionk any of the girls..??

The back story on all of this, the state of Florida isn't able to charge Jeffy on any of the charges as NONE of it happened IN the state of Florida.. Except for the 'Solicitation' Charge. Keep in mind here, while flying in a jet to the Virgin Islands, you're in INTERNATIONAL airspace. And, the NY charges all revolve around whether or not Jeffy can be brought up on charges that are relevant. I look for all this to go away, Jeffy will get a slap on the wrist, the girls will be swept under the carpet, and we move on to the next scandal of the day.

Moving on the AOC and her 'Catfight' with Nancy Pelosi, is this little schmuck really so stupid as to start a rowl with someone she can't really win against.?? I guess AOC thinks she can go up against the GRANDMOTHER of crooked politics. Really really stupid. Pelosi just might giver AOC the smackdown of her life. Or Pelosi's mob connections will silence AOC pretty well...

And, now its coming out that AOC's Green New Deal won't work out so well. Especially considering that Nevada just scrapped the solar plan. All that sun, and it doesn't do them any good, when you start considering the cost of production of the solar panels, the life span of the panels, and the cost of replacing them and trashing the old one's. The cost of the land, the cost of the wiring, solar only works during the day. Not so good an idea as it turns out. This wind energy not so good a thing either. Turbines are costly, take 12 to 15 years to rec**p the investment, and - still - the people on the grid haven't gotten the word - that they pay for the turbines to set, when the wind doesn't happen to blow. Thats the thing with those wind turbines, they only work right when the wind blows between 12-26 mph. Guess somebody forgot to tell the wind that.

Yep, AOIC (Alexandria Ocasio I***t Cortez) just should have done a little homework. Germany, Sweden, and a few other European countries, who were the first to bang the solar and wind drum, are now giving up on it, and...... going back to either COAL fired power plants, or going nuclear. And then we have the new age natural gas turbine plants. Ya, they do well, but of course Russia and Ukraine are more than willing to step up and furnish the coal and natural gas. Of course, this puts them on collision course with American industry and government. Hmmm, who would have guessed.>>>??? I don't look for that to end well, since Europe would be more than happy to buy the coal and natural gas from Russia... (Gasp..!! just can't have those nasty ole Russian's taking away from the American economy.)

So, its on to the next scandal of the day. Who's next..?? Slick Willie..?? Chuckie Schumer..?? Will AOIC put the smackdown on Pelosi..?? Who will Jeffy's black book put the finger on next..??

Yep, new day, new deck of cards.
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T*... (show quote)


Yup, ya never know what’s gonna pop up next. It’s almost exciting waking up in the morning.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:58:55   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T***h really out..??

Lets start with the latest. This Jeffrey Epstein thing is going to bring out some big names. Chuck Schumer and the Democrat party of NY are now implicated, as is DynCorp. Hmm, ya and along with that, ole Slick Willie comes up as a regular rider on the 'Lolita Express'. Wonder how long its going to take the DimmoCrapp party wagon to throw ole Willie under the bus on that one.??

Suddenly, there seem to be 15 or so big names coming to light in the Jeffy Epstein thingy.

My question here, is why did it take these women 13 to 17 years to come forward with their claims.?? If they got molested as an 'underage child', then why were they there on the airplane in the first place. Surely they KNEW in advance, as Jeffrey's madam did the procurement of underage PROSTITUTES (remember here, Jeffy didn't get these girls on his own) will the MADAM go to jail as well..?? Isn't she also guilty of 'Solicitation of Prostution',,,,... even if she didn't bionk any of the girls..??

The back story on all of this, the state of Florida isn't able to charge Jeffy on any of the charges as NONE of it happened IN the state of Florida.. Except for the 'Solicitation' Charge. Keep in mind here, while flying in a jet to the Virgin Islands, you're in INTERNATIONAL airspace. And, the NY charges all revolve around whether or not Jeffy can be brought up on charges that are relevant. I look for all this to go away, Jeffy will get a slap on the wrist, the girls will be swept under the carpet, and we move on to the next scandal of the day.

Moving on the AOC and her 'Catfight' with Nancy Pelosi, is this little schmuck really so stupid as to start a rowl with someone she can't really win against.?? I guess AOC thinks she can go up against the GRANDMOTHER of crooked politics. Really really stupid. Pelosi just might giver AOC the smackdown of her life. Or Pelosi's mob connections will silence AOC pretty well...

And, now its coming out that AOC's Green New Deal won't work out so well. Especially considering that Nevada just scrapped the solar plan. All that sun, and it doesn't do them any good, when you start considering the cost of production of the solar panels, the life span of the panels, and the cost of replacing them and trashing the old one's. The cost of the land, the cost of the wiring, solar only works during the day. Not so good an idea as it turns out. This wind energy not so good a thing either. Turbines are costly, take 12 to 15 years to rec**p the investment, and - still - the people on the grid haven't gotten the word - that they pay for the turbines to set, when the wind doesn't happen to blow. Thats the thing with those wind turbines, they only work right when the wind blows between 12-26 mph. Guess somebody forgot to tell the wind that.

Yep, AOIC (Alexandria Ocasio I***t Cortez) just should have done a little homework. Germany, Sweden, and a few other European countries, who were the first to bang the solar and wind drum, are now giving up on it, and...... going back to either COAL fired power plants, or going nuclear. And then we have the new age natural gas turbine plants. Ya, they do well, but of course Russia and Ukraine are more than willing to step up and furnish the coal and natural gas. Of course, this puts them on collision course with American industry and government. Hmmm, who would have guessed.>>>??? I don't look for that to end well, since Europe would be more than happy to buy the coal and natural gas from Russia... (Gasp..!! just can't have those nasty ole Russian's taking away from the American economy.)

So, its on to the next scandal of the day. Who's next..?? Slick Willie..?? Chuckie Schumer..?? Will AOIC put the smackdown on Pelosi..?? Who will Jeffy's black book put the finger on next..??

Yep, new day, new deck of cards.
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T*... (show quote)


My guess is if you were a woman who had been sexually assaulted, or if you, as a man, had been raped, you would have a better understanding of why individuals might not report the event at the time it happened. Sometimes the culture has to change a lot for it to feel safe to speak out.

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Jul 13, 2019 14:05:35   #
Gatsby
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T***h really out..??

Lets start with the latest. This Jeffrey Epstein thing is going to bring out some big names. Chuck Schumer and the Democrat party of NY are now implicated, as is DynCorp. Hmm, ya and along with that, ole Slick Willie comes up as a regular rider on the 'Lolita Express'. Wonder how long its going to take the DimmoCrapp party wagon to throw ole Willie under the bus on that one.??

Suddenly, there seem to be 15 or so big names coming to light in the Jeffy Epstein thingy.

My question here, is why did it take these women 13 to 17 years to come forward with their claims.?? If they got molested as an 'underage child', then why were they there on the airplane in the first place. Surely they KNEW in advance, as Jeffrey's madam did the procurement of underage PROSTITUTES (remember here, Jeffy didn't get these girls on his own) will the MADAM go to jail as well..?? Isn't she also guilty of 'Solicitation of Prostution',,,,... even if she didn't bionk any of the girls..??

The back story on all of this, the state of Florida isn't able to charge Jeffy on any of the charges as NONE of it happened IN the state of Florida.. Except for the 'Solicitation' Charge. Keep in mind here, while flying in a jet to the Virgin Islands, you're in INTERNATIONAL airspace. And, the NY charges all revolve around whether or not Jeffy can be brought up on charges that are relevant. I look for all this to go away, Jeffy will get a slap on the wrist, the girls will be swept under the carpet, and we move on to the next scandal of the day.

Moving on the AOC and her 'Catfight' with Nancy Pelosi, is this little schmuck really so stupid as to start a rowl with someone she can't really win against.?? I guess AOC thinks she can go up against the GRANDMOTHER of crooked politics. Really really stupid. Pelosi just might giver AOC the smackdown of her life. Or Pelosi's mob connections will silence AOC pretty well...

And, now its coming out that AOC's Green New Deal won't work out so well. Especially considering that Nevada just scrapped the solar plan. All that sun, and it doesn't do them any good, when you start considering the cost of production of the solar panels, the life span of the panels, and the cost of replacing them and trashing the old one's. The cost of the land, the cost of the wiring, solar only works during the day. Not so good an idea as it turns out. This wind energy not so good a thing either. Turbines are costly, take 12 to 15 years to rec**p the investment, and - still - the people on the grid haven't gotten the word - that they pay for the turbines to set, when the wind doesn't happen to blow. Thats the thing with those wind turbines, they only work right when the wind blows between 12-26 mph. Guess somebody forgot to tell the wind that.

Yep, AOIC (Alexandria Ocasio I***t Cortez) just should have done a little homework. Germany, Sweden, and a few other European countries, who were the first to bang the solar and wind drum, are now giving up on it, and...... going back to either COAL fired power plants, or going nuclear. And then we have the new age natural gas turbine plants. Ya, they do well, but of course Russia and Ukraine are more than willing to step up and furnish the coal and natural gas. Of course, this puts them on collision course with American industry and government. Hmmm, who would have guessed.>>>??? I don't look for that to end well, since Europe would be more than happy to buy the coal and natural gas from Russia... (Gasp..!! just can't have those nasty ole Russian's taking away from the American economy.)

So, its on to the next scandal of the day. Who's next..?? Slick Willie..?? Chuckie Schumer..?? Will AOIC put the smackdown on Pelosi..?? Who will Jeffy's black book put the finger on next..??

Yep, new day, new deck of cards.
Oh, wait, the cards have been dealt, but is the T*... (show quote)


Russia has the EU by the balls, that's why the need US to be the tough guy!


As the world’s second-largest producer of natural gas, Russia actually has leverage
over its European customers by threatening to cut off gas supplies,
and it’s using this power to foster discord among European countries.
A new pipeline that Moscow intends to build could dramatically increase that leverage,
potentially raising its share of Germany’s gas market to above 50 percent.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/06/20/russia-pipeline-power-000460


7 January 2009: Russia cut gas exports to Europe by 60 per cent today,
plunging the continent into an energy crisis 'within hours' as a dispute with Ukraine escalated.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html.

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Jul 13, 2019 14:15:31   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
PaulPisces wrote:
My guess is if you were a woman who had been sexually assaulted, or if you, as a man, had been raped, you would have a better understanding of why individuals might not report the event at the time it happened. Sometimes the culture has to change a lot for it to feel safe to speak out.


It’s true Paul! Shame and blaming yourself plays a big part! And the fact that people might not believe you!

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Jul 13, 2019 14:40:22   #
peg w
 
Windmills take 5 years or less to rec**p their investment. More coal plants have been shuttered since Trump was elected than in all of Obama's tes
Coal is more expensive than wind. More people work in the wind farm industry than work in coal. Yes, wind does not blow all the time, but we have managed to make it work. By the way, why are you so against a non poluting source of power?

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Jul 13, 2019 14:54:04   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Big dog wrote:
Yup, ya never know what’s gonna pop up next. It’s almost exciting waking up in the morning.


it's certainly exciting for me to wake up!!
morning or after noon nap

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Jul 13, 2019 15:17:18   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
peg w wrote:
Windmills take 5 years or less to rec**p their investment. More coal plants have been shuttered since Trump was elected than in all of Obama's tes
Coal is more expensive than wind. More people work in the wind farm industry than work in coal. Yes, wind does not blow all the time, but we have managed to make it work. By the way, why are you so against a non poluting source of power?


Pardon me for butting in. The lifetime of solar panels and wind mills is not the point. Maybe a little research on your part might be appropriate since the latest is the solar panels and windmills never pay for themselves as they don't last long enough.
Since the sun doesn't shine all the time as in night and cloudy, and the wind doesn't blow all the time, what is source of the power at those times? Let me tell you. The same power plants that you h**e are the source when the 'free' power isn't available. To keep a power plant in repair and manned to pick up the load costs a lot of money which you will still have to pay for. Seriously, why can't people understand this? There is no such a thing as a free lunch.
Don't forget the power plants still must be staffed and maintained but the utilities have their incomes dropped by wh**ever the solars and wind machines manage to produce.

if you have any interest in accuracy, you could even find out, nuke and natural gas plants do not pollute and don't you wish you had all the money spent on keeping coal burners from polluting? Just for grins, I worked in a power plant which was designed in the 1920s and it was equipped with devices to limit pollution as it was built.( Nearly 100 years ago and long before the c*****e c****e garbage came out.)

How comforting it must be to be oblivious of simple physical facts!! So simple to just jump on the bandwagon of misinformation and contempt for the 'doers' that built and support this country.

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Jul 13, 2019 15:47:10   #
JimMe
 
peg w wrote:
Windmills take 5 years or less to rec**p their investment. More coal plants have been shuttered since Trump was elected than in all of Obama's tes
Coal is more expensive than wind. More people work in the wind farm industry than work in coal. Yes, wind does not blow all the time, but we have managed to make it work. By the way, why are you so against a non poluting source of power?



peg w... I live in Tucson, Arizona... Here we have 3-5 MPH wind 300 days a year, so Wind Farms will be a ridiculous energy source... Solar would be the answer here, but the cost is still way too high to be affordable to most of us... There is no "One-Size-Fits-All-Energy-Source" available today or in the foreseeable future... But trust me, in the 1870's automobiles and electric lights were first developed, and by the 1930's - within a single person's lifetime - they were staples... So, if and when there is an Energy Breakthru, it will change our lives virtually overnight...

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Jul 13, 2019 15:53:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Pardon me for butting in. The lifetime of solar panels and wind mills is not the point. Maybe a little research on your part might be appropriate since the latest is the solar panels and windmills never pay for themselves as they don't last long enough.
Since the sun doesn't shine all the time as in night and cloudy, and the wind doesn't blow all the time, what is source of the power at those times? Let me tell you. The same power plants that you h**e are the source when the 'free' power isn't available. To keep a power plant in repair and manned to pick up the load costs a lot of money which you will still have to pay for. Seriously, why can't people understand this? There is no such a thing as a free lunch.
Don't forget the power plants still must be staffed and maintained but the utilities have their incomes dropped by wh**ever the solars and wind machines manage to produce.

if you have any interest in accuracy, you could even find out, nuke and natural gas plants do not pollute and don't you wish you had all the money spent on keeping coal burners from polluting? Just for grins, I worked in a power plant which was designed in the 1920s and it was equipped with devices to limit pollution as it was built.( Nearly 100 years ago and long before the c*****e c****e garbage came out.)

How comforting it must be to be oblivious of simple physical facts!! So simple to just jump on the bandwagon of misinformation and contempt for the 'doers' that built and support this country.
Pardon me for butting in. The lifetime of solar p... (show quote)
What does this have to do with Epstein's sex trafficking conspiracy?

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Jul 13, 2019 15:59:42   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What does this have to do with Epstein's sex trafficking conspiracy?


Nothing of course. It was attached to the bit by Peg W.

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Jul 14, 2019 08:44:15   #
trucksterbud
 
peg w wrote:
Windmills take 5 years or less to rec**p their investment. More coal plants have been shuttered since Trump was elected than in all of Obama's tes
Coal is more expensive than wind. More people work in the wind farm industry than work in coal. Yes, wind does not blow all the time, but we have managed to make it work. By the way, why are you so against a non poluting source of power?


Seems its so easy to judge me, isn't it..?? Who said I'm against a non polluting source of power..?? Where did I say that..??

Anything I posted was already researched. Compare the states.. California and Washington have the largest number of wind turbines. How do they fare..?? Nevada just built 3 (that's 3, count em) huge solar power farms just outside of Las Vegas. And, to boot, that's why Harry Reid got in hot water, he was going to take the ranch land used by the Bundy's under a 99 year life lease to the family by the Fed gov, and sell it to the Chinese. But eventually, we all know where this went. And there are articles on several sites that talk about how now, Nevada is giving up on solar. Due to costs, construction cost overruns, poor performance by the solar arrays, t***smission problems, solar panel problems, etc, etc. Get the picture now..??

Arizona has 2 huge coal fired power plants, Page and Joseph City, along with the nuclear plant in Palo Verde. How do they fare..??

Texas, Kansas and Nebraska just spent the last 5 years putting up wind turbines all over the place. Amarillo, Dumas, Sweetwater, just to name a few. Liberal KS has been a site of several developments for wind power. Go ask the locals about it. Scottsbluff and Gering Nebraska. Go ask the locals about it.

The San Juan Generating station in NM was just shuttered. 1300 people out of jobs. All over environmentalist wackos. Did they attack the one at Page, AZ which is basically the same design..?? No, the state of AZ won't tolerate it. Something starting to jiggle a brain cell here..??

All I'm saying is that there is a bigger picture here than JUST wind, solar, or coal, or nuclear. In the old days, ALL power plants were powered by DIESEL engines. (I know, my dad ran one, the big 6 cylinder Waukesha engines) And the biggest misconception of all seems to be that that electricity at your house plug or the power at the recharge station for your electric car is somehow free or non-polluting. Its all a lie, sorry to tell you. The batteries that an electirc car use are expensive to make, and result in more pollution than any internal combustion engine puts out. Plus, once the battery has achieved its life span it can't be thrown away in a garbage dump. And batteries, all batteries, have a definite life span. Do you know what sulphuric acid is like, and its properties..?? The batteries have to be stored, permanently.

I did not post mis-information, dis-information, or any bullsh*t. The post was merely a collective summary of data I've read over the past few months. I would post the article about the batteries but I can't remember now where I saw it. You can find it with a little effort, so I don't feel obligated to hold your hand.

And no, sorry to bust your bubble, it doesn't take 5 years to rec**p the wind turbine investment. It takes 15 to 18 years. If you don't think so, go ask the people of Dumas TX how their investment is working out. They'll be glad to tell you.

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Jul 14, 2019 08:49:32   #
trucksterbud
 
PaulPisces wrote:
My guess is if you were a woman who had been sexually assaulted, or if you, as a man, had been raped, you would have a better understanding of why individuals might not report the event at the time it happened. Sometimes the culture has to change a lot for it to feel safe to speak out.


You can't tell me that those girls didn't go into that knowing FULL WELL what was about to take place. So, save me your tears.

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Jul 14, 2019 08:58:38   #
trucksterbud
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Pardon me for butting in. The lifetime of solar panels and wind mills is not the point. Maybe a little research on your part might be appropriate since the latest is the solar panels and windmills never pay for themselves as they don't last long enough.
Since the sun doesn't shine all the time as in night and cloudy, and the wind doesn't blow all the time, what is source of the power at those times? Let me tell you. The same power plants that you h**e are the source when the 'free' power isn't available. To keep a power plant in repair and manned to pick up the load costs a lot of money which you will still have to pay for. Seriously, why can't people understand this? There is no such a thing as a free lunch.
Don't forget the power plants still must be staffed and maintained but the utilities have their incomes dropped by wh**ever the solars and wind machines manage to produce.

if you have any interest in accuracy, you could even find out, nuke and natural gas plants do not pollute and don't you wish you had all the money spent on keeping coal burners from polluting? Just for grins, I worked in a power plant which was designed in the 1920s and it was equipped with devices to limit pollution as it was built.( Nearly 100 years ago and long before the c*****e c****e garbage came out.)

How comforting it must be to be oblivious of simple physical facts!! So simple to just jump on the bandwagon of misinformation and contempt for the 'doers' that built and support this country.
Pardon me for butting in. The lifetime of solar p... (show quote)


Strange how your trounce me without knowing anything about me.. I merely posted what was a summary of articles I've read over the past few months. Solar and wind aren't working out so well. More expensive than anticipated, unreliable (no sun or no wind, no electricity). Why do you think the ranchers and farmers of the various states aren't willing to give up their land to solar or wind so willingly anymore..?? Does that make a brain cell jiggle..??

And I understand full well the power plant situation. You think you are the only person to ever be around a power plant..?? The best, cheapest, most productive power plants were the old Diesel generating stations. Best power for the money. But of course, it sets off the environmentalist wacko's, being diesel and all. But the wacko's don't notice the pollution caused by MANUFACTURING the batteries for the electric vehicles, which is MORE toxic than internal combustion engine pollution.

Yes, I understand there is no free lunch. Been there, seen that, experienced that. Now, go off and tell the wack jobs that.... (I was a trucker for 33 years, hauled fuel for 13 of that. May have seen things you have no idea about, sorry to hurt your feelings.)

As far as being a 'doer' or shaker for this country, I've served my time. 33 years at the wheel of a semi and 14 years at the controls of a blade, scraper, dozer or excavator …. As far as being a builder or shaker, been there and done that. So, take a step back on that one son....

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Jul 14, 2019 09:50:36   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Seems its so easy to judge me, isn't it..?? Who said I'm against a non polluting source of power..?? Where did I say that..??

Anything I posted was already researched. Compare the states.. California and Washington have the largest number of wind turbines. How do they fare..?? Nevada just built 3 (that's 3, count em) huge solar power farms just outside of Las Vegas. And, to boot, that's why Harry Reid got in hot water, he was going to take the ranch land used by the Bundy's under a 99 year life lease to the family by the Fed gov, and sell it to the Chinese. But eventually, we all know where this went. And there are articles on several sites that talk about how now, Nevada is giving up on solar. Due to costs, construction cost overruns, poor performance by the solar arrays, t***smission problems, solar panel problems, etc, etc. Get the picture now..??

Arizona has 2 huge coal fired power plants, Page and Joseph City, along with the nuclear plant in Palo Verde. How do they fare..??

Texas, Kansas and Nebraska just spent the last 5 years putting up wind turbines all over the place. Amarillo, Dumas, Sweetwater, just to name a few. Liberal KS has been a site of several developments for wind power. Go ask the locals about it. Scottsbluff and Gering Nebraska. Go ask the locals about it.

The San Juan Generating station in NM was just shuttered. 1300 people out of jobs. All over environmentalist wackos. Did they attack the one at Page, AZ which is basically the same design..?? No, the state of AZ won't tolerate it. Something starting to jiggle a brain cell here..??

All I'm saying is that there is a bigger picture here than JUST wind, solar, or coal, or nuclear. In the old days, ALL power plants were powered by DIESEL engines. (I know, my dad ran one, the big 6 cylinder Waukesha engines) And the biggest misconception of all seems to be that that electricity at your house plug or the power at the recharge station for your electric car is somehow free or non-polluting. Its all a lie, sorry to tell you. The batteries that an electirc car use are expensive to make, and result in more pollution than any internal combustion engine puts out. Plus, once the battery has achieved its life span it can't be thrown away in a garbage dump. And batteries, all batteries, have a definite life span. Do you know what sulphuric acid is like, and its properties..?? The batteries have to be stored, permanently.

I did not post mis-information, dis-information, or any bullsh*t. The post was merely a collective summary of data I've read over the past few months. I would post the article about the batteries but I can't remember now where I saw it. You can find it with a little effort, so I don't feel obligated to hold your hand.

And no, sorry to bust your bubble, it doesn't take 5 years to rec**p the wind turbine investment. It takes 15 to 18 years. If you don't think so, go ask the people of Dumas TX how their investment is working out. They'll be glad to tell you.
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I've had this debate here before about how long it takes a wind turbine to pay for itself. I simply ask my son who works on them here around Amarillo. The 1.5 megawatt towers on his home farm generate about 60 bucks per megawatt hour if I recall correctly. It's a 3 million dollar machine, and you have to add in maintaining them as well. Parts are very expensive, and the people who climb, and work on them are compensated very well.
I'll take my son's word as t***h since that is his world, and area of expertise. According to him, it takes a minimum of 10 years for one to pay for itself if all goes well.

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