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Jun 29, 2019 00:37:45   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
A friend of mines young son said this the other day. It is very profound and true. "Them" i*****l a***ns have plenty of room where they are from. Why they are leaving is what America should do something about. We want to stop immigration don't we? We always go to war in Asia or the middle east and for stupid reasons. We ignore crisis in our own hemisphere-equally stupid. How 'bout for once we fight a righteous war. War-- you read me right. Go down there to central America and beat some criminal gang corrupt government ass. Obliterate ALL of the bad actors and Liberate the oppressed who are coming to the USA in desperation. Teach these people how to fight and arm them so they can defend themselves. We should have backed Castro instead of that criminal Batist but we didn't so Russia stepped in. Let that be a lesson learned.

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Jun 29, 2019 00:46:10   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
A friend of mines young son said this the other day. It is very profound and true. "Them" i*****l a***ns have plenty of room where they are from. Why they are leaving is what America should do something about. We want to stop immigration don't we? We always go to war in Asia or the middle east and for stupid reasons. We ignore crisis in our own hemisphere-equally stupid. How 'bout for once we fight a righteous war. War-- you read me right. Go down there to central America and beat some criminal gang corrupt government ass. Obliterate ALL of the bad actors and Liberate the oppressed who are coming to the USA in desperation. Teach these people how to fight and arm them so they can defend themselves. We should have backed Castro instead of that criminal Batist but we didn't so Russia stepped in. Let that be a lesson learned.
A friend of mines young son said this the other da... (show quote)


Plenty of room???Really??Have you been in the streets of LA or SF lately???...These streets look like 3rd world country..When we take care of our homeless population including kids,then we can talk about bringing and taking care of other 3rd world counties....America 1st!!!

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Jun 29, 2019 01:13:04   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Plenty of room???Really??Have you been in the streets of LA or SF lately???...These streets look like 3rd world country..When we take care of our homeless population including kids,then we can talk about bringing and taking care of other 3rd world counties....America 1st!!!
Plenty of room???Really??Have you been in the stre... (show quote)


Maybe services for the homeless are being taken by the i******s---We have the beginnings of a caste system in this country. We could stop it but the hard hearted won't let it happen. The only care of 3rd world countries I speak of is k*****g every single gang member and corrupt public official in their country and giving the oppressed guns to fight with. We won't have to take care of "Them" if they can take care of them selves.

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Jun 29, 2019 01:17:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
proud republican wrote:
Plenty of room???Really??Have you been in the streets of LA or SF lately???...These streets look like 3rd world country..When we take care of our homeless population including kids,then we can talk about bringing and taking care of other 3rd world counties....America 1st!!!
Plenty of room???Really??Have you been in the stre... (show quote)


I read what he wrote differently than you.... I think he said that there is plenty of room where these people came from and unrestricted immigration needs to end. Correct me if I am wrong, but he said we need to arm and educate those running away from their issues how to fight, then arm them. Let them take back their own nations and if they do, then there is no reason for them camping out at ours.

I could be mistaken..... but, I think you and he are on the same page.

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Jun 29, 2019 01:18:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Maybe services for the homeless are being taken by the i******s---We have the beginnings of a caste system in this country. We could stop it but the hard hearted won't let it happen. The only care of 3rd world countries I speak of is k*****g every single gang member and corrupt public official in their country and giving the oppressed guns to fight with. We won't have to take care of "Them" if they can take care of them selves.


Hi Tom...

Who decides who the 'oppressors' are?

And which citizens are trustworthy enough to possess firearms?

What happens if the new leaders decide to be just as oppressive?

Could the same standards be applicable in the US? Open season on gang members and corrupt politicians

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Jun 29, 2019 01:19:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I read what he wrote differently than you.... I think he said that there is plenty of room where these people came from and unrestricted immigration needs to end. Correct me if I am wrong, but he said we need to arm and educate those running away from their issues how to fight, then arm them. Let them take back their own nations and if they do, then there is no reason for them camping out at ours.

I could be mistaken..... but, I think you and he are on the same page.


Tom is a good man

I read it your way as well...

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Jun 29, 2019 01:38:56   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I read what he wrote differently than you.... I think he said that there is plenty of room where these people came from and unrestricted immigration needs to end. Correct me if I am wrong, but he said we need to arm and educate those running away from their issues how to fight, then arm them. Let them take back their own nations and if they do, then there is no reason for them camping out at ours.

I could be mistaken..... but, I think you and he are on the same page.


Thank you Pennylynn

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Jun 29, 2019 01:44:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Tom...

Who decides who the 'oppressors' are?

And which citizens are trustworthy enough to possess firearms?

What happens if the new leaders decide to be just as oppressive?

Could the same standards be applicable in the US? Open season on gang members and corrupt politicians
Hi Tom... br br Who decides who the 'oppressors' ... (show quote)


The oppressors won't be hard to find--They will be in the act of oppressing with impunity and won't know who hit them. The new leaders won't have an easy time against an armed citizenry should they even think of being oppressive. Gang members should be rounded up in the USA by rogue cops who will give them the slow ride to the hospital

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Jun 29, 2019 01:46:33   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Tom is a good man

I read it your way as well...


Thank you for your support.

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Jun 29, 2019 01:59:38   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Thank you Pennylynn


Sorry,Tom if i misunderstood you...

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Jun 29, 2019 03:26:59   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Tom...

Who decides who the 'oppressors' are?

And which citizens are trustworthy enough to possess firearms?

What happens if the new leaders decide to be just as oppressive?

Could the same standards be applicable in the US? Open season on gang members and corrupt politicians
Hi Tom... br br Who decides who the 'oppressors' ... (show quote)


I keep saying, but my pearls fall on deaf ears..... Pay per view beheadings. Bring back the guillotine. Set up one outside the Capitol Building, and several along the border, and start USING them.
Tom has a point, although some would say our interventions in the early 20th century are what led to the current situation in Central America.

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Jun 29, 2019 03:30:45   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The oppressors won't be hard to find--They will be in the act of oppressing with impunity and won't know who hit them. The new leaders won't have an easy time against an armed citizenry should they even think of being oppressive. Gang members should be rounded up in the USA by rogue cops who will give them the slow ride to the hospital


There are those who claim our interventions in Central America back in the early 20th century are the cause of the situation there today. I don't agree. Our lack of intervention caused the mess that Nicaragua is now.

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Jun 29, 2019 03:34:32   #
Seth
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
A friend of mines young son said this the other day. It is very profound and true. "Them" i*****l a***ns have plenty of room where they are from. Why they are leaving is what America should do something about. We want to stop immigration don't we? We always go to war in Asia or the middle east and for stupid reasons. We ignore crisis in our own hemisphere-equally stupid. How 'bout for once we fight a righteous war. War-- you read me right. Go down there to central America and beat some criminal gang corrupt government ass. Obliterate ALL of the bad actors and Liberate the oppressed who are coming to the USA in desperation. Teach these people how to fight and arm them so they can defend themselves. We should have backed Castro instead of that criminal Batist but we didn't so Russia stepped in. Let that be a lesson learned.
A friend of mines young son said this the other da... (show quote)


We DID back Castro -- that's why JFK was so damn pissed off when Fidel aligned himself with the Soviets.

Among other reasons, Battista was giving sanctuary to American organized crime, Meyer Lansky and other top wise guys were directing mob operations from Havana, living in luxury while the FBI couldn't touch them.

JFK tried to have Fidel Castro assassinated a number of times, but Castro was too well protected. That was why, after Jack Kennedy was k**led, LBJ instituted an executive order that our government agencies could not target foreign officials for assassination from then on.

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Jun 29, 2019 05:11:19   #
Seth
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Maybe services for the homeless are being taken by the i******s---We have the beginnings of a caste system in this country. We could stop it but the hard hearted won't let it happen. The only care of 3rd world countries I speak of is k*****g every single gang member and corrupt public official in their country and giving the oppressed guns to fight with. We won't have to take care of "Them" if they can take care of them selves.


Several years ago, when I lived in San Francisco, I made a somewhat large donation, several thousand dollars, to the city's large soup kitchen at Glide Memorial.

Before writing a check, I wanted to see where my money was going, so I volunteered to serve food there a few times. I stood behind a serving counter with some other folks and each of us put wh**ever we were serving on the people's trays as they got to us.

This really nice middle aged black woman was the cook, and we served things like fried chicken with mashed potatoes and veggies, desserts, etc.

I decided that the homeless there would be getting good bang for my buck and wrote a check.

I got to talk to some of the "customers" and found that they weren't all drug addicts and crazy people, and more than a few actually got work out of temporary labor joints while others picked up recycling to keep a few bucks in their pockets.

Since then, I've chatted with others -- here in Southern California, there's no shortage of undomiciled individuals.

Many of them are lost causes, young people who simply don't give a s**t, smoke pot all day long, use meth, panhandle, steal, trash things -- they use the ground for garbage cans, the alleys as toilets... Others would be quite redeemable given the right motivation and environment.

The other day I went over to the Venice boardwalk, and it made scenes from third world s**tholes look like paradise vacation destinations. Ragged tents and tarps, garbage all over, the air pungent will the smell of urine...

Yet I've talked to some homeless guys who keep themselves clean and neat, and who have no drug or alcohol problems, they simply ran into economic problems if one kind or another and ended up on the street. Because of the state of homeless resources, they are forced to be in proximity with the other types.

These are guys who want steady jobs, want to be able to get a place of their own, etc, but the "system" only actually looks after the lazy and the screwed up, the young druggies on SSI and those insane who are able to deal with case workers and so forth are able to get subsidized housing.

The normal, want to work types have no such options: private organizations get a lot of their funding from county, state and federal sources, and the more problems a "client" has, the more money he or she is worth. If a "client" is a t*********r with AIDS who is addicted to heroin, he's worth a bundle, whereas the guy with no marketable "problems" is worth very little and gets little more than short shrift.

When one of these normal guys gets any kind of subsidized housing so he can look for a job, as soon as he's hired, before he even gets a paycheck, he gets evicted because he has a job. With no place to live, he"s very quickly back to Square 1, unemployed and back on the street.

The welfare/food stamp system isn't much help to these poor folks, either -- one guy told me they made him take a class in how to write a resume and seek employment, even though he was in his forties and had held several jobs, but that was the extent of it. No housing or anything and all he owned clothes wise fit in a small, wheeled valise he pulls around.

Thousands of those among the undomiciled are veterans, people who have served their (our) country, gone into harm's way on our behalf, and then been discarded by their (our) government and society in general like used condoms.

Now, all the bureaucracies involved in all this are run by Democrats, and probably cost the taxpayer somewhere in the billions every year, for the most part keeping these enormous homeless populations in a perpetual revolving door without any intention of solving the problem.

See, the homeless are nothing more to these private organizations and the massive government bureaucracies that fund them, including the welfare and other social services departments, than a humongous cash cow, a goose that lays lots and lots of golden eggs, and tens of thousands of people would be out of work if they ever actually helped these people overcome addictions and other obstacles to their becoming independent, self supporting citizens -- a lot of people who have made themselves rich off these wretches and continue getting richer would, as I said, lose that goose, golden eggs and all.

So essentially what's happening is that we are being bilked by a lot of people who bribe contribute to various Democrats' campaigns to maintain the status quo at our expense as taxpayers.

I won't even get into what it costs for medical care annually for all the homeless drug and alcohol abusers travelling in unending cavalcades of ambulances to emergency rooms on the Medicaid (MediCal in California) dime, except that it's a lot more than a dime.

Having said all that, let's look at what these same Democrats who fund the above with full knowledge that they are doing so without any intention of actually solving the problem want us to "invest" in i*****l i*******ts.

They want to give border jumpers, families and individuals, a better, more comfortable "stay" in detention centers and do more for them than they do for our own homeless Americans, including our own undomiciled veterans? They want to give welfare, food stamps and other social services to people who aren't even supposed to be here, while Americans are living like animals on the streets?

This is what the Democratic Party is all about, perfectly at home with our major cities looking and smelling like the slums in some third world s**thole so they and their homeless "help" organizations and social services directors can line their pockets at the taxpayer's expense, and then they want open borders so we can pay even more for the upkeep and medical expenses of people who break our laws everyday just by being here.

Today's Democrats have zero respect for the taxpayer, the taxpayer's hard-earned money or for the sovereignty of this country.

3 November 2020 can't get here soon enough.

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Jun 29, 2019 05:18:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
Several years ago, when I lived in San Francisco, I made a somewhat large donation, several thousand dollars, to the city's large soup kitchen at Glide Memorial.

Before writing a check, I wanted to see where my money was going, so I volunteered to serve food there a few times. I stood behind a serving counter with some other folks and each of us out wh**ever we were serving on the people's trays as they got to us.

This really nice middle aged black woman was the cook, and we served things like fried chicken with mashed potatoes and veggies, desserts, etc.

I decided that the homeless there would be getting good bang for my buck and wrote a check.

I got to talk to some of the "customers" and found that they weren't all drug addicts and crazy people, and more than a few actually got work out of temporary labor joints while others picked up recycling to keep a few bucks in their pockets.

Since then, I've chatted with others -- here in Southern California, there's no shortage of undomiciled individuals.

Many of them are lost causes, young people who simply don't give a s**t, smoke pot all day long, use meth, panhandle, steal, trash things -- they use the ground for garbage cans, the alleys as toilets... Others would be quite redeemable given the right motivation and environment.

The other day I went over to the Venice boardwalk, and it made scenes from third world s**tholes look like paradise vacation destinations. Ragged tents and tarps, garbage all over, the air pungent will the smell of urine...

Yet I've talked to some homeless guys who keep themselves clean and neat, and who have no drug or alcohol problems, they simply ran into economic problems if one kind or another and ended up on the street. Because of the state of homeless resources, they are forced to be in proximity with the other types.

These are guys who want steady jobs, want to be able to get a place of their own, etc, but the "system" only actually looks after the lazy and the screwed up, the young druggies on SSI and those insane who are able to deal with case workers and so forth are able to get subsidized housing.

The normal, want to work types have no such options: private organizations get a lot of their funding from country, state and federal sources, and the more problems a "client" has, the more money he or she is worth. If a "client" is a t*********r with AIDS who is addicted to heroin, he's worth a bundle, whereas the guy with no marketable "problems" is worth very little and gets little more than short shrift.

When one of these normal guys gets any kind of subsidized housing so he can look for a job, as soon as he's hired, before he even gets a paycheck, he gets evicted because he has a job. With no place to live, he"s very quickly back to Square 1, unemployed and back on the street.

The welfare/food stamp system isn't much help to these poor folks, either -- one guy told me they made him take a class in how to write a resume and seek employment, even though he was in his forties and had held several jobs, but that was the extent of it. No housing or anything and all he owned clothes wise fit in a small, wheeled valise he pulls around.

Thousands of those among the undomiciled are veterans, people who have served their (our) country, gone into harm's way on our behalf, and then been discarded by their (our) government and society in general like used condoms.

Now, all the bureaucracies involved in all this are run by Democrats, and probably cost the taxpayer somewhere in the billions every year, for the most part keeping these enormous homeless populations in a perpetual revolving door without any intention of solving the problem.

See, the homeless are nothing more to these private organizations and the massive government bureaucracies that fund them, including the welfare and other social services departments, than a humongous cash cow, a goose that lays lots and lots of golden eggs, and tens of thousands of people would be out of work if they ever actually helped these people overcome addictions and other obstacles to their becoming independent, self supporting citizens -- a lot of people who have made themselves rich off these wretches and continue getting richer would, as I said, lose that goose, golden eggs and all.

So essentially what's happening is that we are being bilked by a lot of people who bribe contribute to various Democrats' campaigns to maintain the status quo at our expense as taxpayers.

I won't even get into what it costs for medical care annually for all the homeless drug and alcohol abusers travelling in unending cavalcades of ambulances to emergency rooms on the Medicaid (Medical in California) dime, except that it's a lot more than a dime.

Having said all that, let's look at what these same Democrats who fund the above with full knowledge that they are doing so without any intention of actually solving the problem want us to "invest" in i*****l i*******ts.

They want to give border jumpers, families and individuals, a better, more comfortable "stay" in detention centers and do more for them than they do for our own homeless Americans, including our own undomiciled veterans? They want to give welfare, food stamps and other social services to people who aren't even supposed to be here, while Americans are living like animals on the streets?

This is what the Democratic Party is all about, perfectly at home with our major cities looking and smelling like the sound in some third world s**thole so they and their homeless "help" organizations and social services directors can line their pockets at the taxpayer's expense, and then they want open borders so we can pay even more for the upkeep and medical expenses of people who break our laws everyday just by being here.

Today's Democrats have zero respect for the taxpayer, the taxpayer's hard-earned money or for the sovereignty of this country.

3 November 2020 can't get here soon enough.
Several years ago, when I lived in San Francisco, ... (show quote)


Superb...

Canada is in much the same state... I half friends in high school who actually went and lived on the streets of Vancouver during vacation - for fun

Too many shiftless wastrels... We need to focus on those who can be helped and make sure they get that help...

Great post Seth

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