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Jun 13, 2019 00:56:04   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
t***hiness wrote:
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Thank you for taking the time to go through that lineage--it will take me some time to digest it.
1) With regard to inheritance, I thought that perhaps Zelophehad's daughters might have changed the original pattern when they convinced Moses to change the law (after consultation with Deity, of course)--maybe it was a one-time thing for them. I have always thought of their being the first Israeli feminists.
2) Back to the "can of worms" that you mentioned earlier ('Sons of God' given some sort of task to guide or mentor the specific nations). Having exactly zero basis for even speculation, I wonder if the early fathers (Adam, Abel, Seth, etc.) might have been given post-mortally these responsibilities.

My thanks again for your taking time to explain these issues; extremely helpful.
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Zelophehad's daughters did have an impact on the law, but only if there are no sons. See Numbers 27 "Say to the Israelites, ‘If a man dies and leaves no son, give his inheritance to his daughter. If he has no daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers. If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father’s brothers. If his father had no brothers, give his inheritance to the nearest relative in his clan, that he may possess it. This is to have the force of law for the Israelites, as the Lord commanded Moses.’” I apologize for giving the general rule, I forgot that some people want every twist and turn to the laws. I will certainly keep this in mind for the future. As for being feminists, there are quite a few strong women in the Hebrew Bible....Esther, Deborah, Yael, and Miriam come to mind. Were they feminist, I do not think so, at least in the modern expression.

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Jun 13, 2019 02:26:14   #
truthiness
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Zelophehad's daughters did have an impact on the law, but only if there are no sons. See Numbers 27 "Say to the Israelites, ‘If a man dies and leaves no son, give his inheritance to his daughter. If he has no daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers. If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father’s brothers. If his father had no brothers, give his inheritance to the nearest relative in his clan, that he may possess it. This is to have the force of law for the Israelites, as the Lord commanded Moses.’” I apologize for giving the general rule, I forgot that some people want every twist and turn to the laws. I will certainly keep this in mind for the future. As for being feminists, there are quite a few strong women in the Hebrew Bible....Esther, Deborah, Yael, and Miriam come to mind. Were they feminist, I do not think so, at least in the modern expression.
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Not meant to be a criticism; you are educating a neophyte on Jewish law and doctrine. It's just that the story has a number of meanings for me---the strength of the sisters for one, the possibility of God listening to a righteous plea, and the willingness of Moses, who thought their case was just, to bring it up to God.
I agree, there can be a real difference between a strong woman and a feminist woman. But I discovered the story of the sisters on a Jewish feminist site years ago, so I guess some Jewish women see the sisters as feminists,
Thanks again.

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Jun 13, 2019 03:52:50   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
t***hiness wrote:
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Not meant to be a criticism; you are educating a neophyte on Jewish law and doctrine. It's just that the story has a number of meanings for me---the strength of the sisters for one, the possibility of God listening to a righteous plea, and the willingness of Moses, who thought their case was just, to bring it up to God.
I agree, there can be a real difference between a strong woman and a feminist woman. But I discovered the story of the sisters on a Jewish feminist site years ago, so I guess some Jewish women see the sisters as feminists,
Thanks again.
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Criticism is a useful tool, I never take offense when someone corrects, criticize, or expands my comments.... providing they are not hostile and demanding in their method. You were not offensive, so I took it as a useful tool to make my comments better.. G*d always listens, although some say he does not listen to a sinner...I find the notion illogical, if He does not listen to everyone, then we could never be forgiven for our mistakes when we ask? Moses.... you have to love this guy, he did not have the virtues that one would call desirable.... he was impatient, arrogant, and stubborn.

I have never had a desire to visit a feminist website, but then I have lived a blessed life.

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Jun 13, 2019 08:19:32   #
Kazudy
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
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He is wanting to unite Christianism and merge with Islam:

That is like the old story about the scorpion asking for a ride accross the stream on the back of a frog and of course once accross the scorpion stings the frog which is what Islam would do.


Not really, because both the Pope and the Islamic leader are following Satan’s instructions. So are the g*******t. The sad thing is that they don’t have a clue. Every thing I just said is prophetzied in the Bible.

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Jun 13, 2019 08:23:32   #
Kazudy
 
eagleye13 wrote:
The Papacy and the Catholic leadership are corrupt.
Catholics have to get saved in spite of their religion.
A warning to all; do not worship a religion.
Worship Christ.


TOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRCT!!!! God h**es religions.

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Jun 13, 2019 08:37:02   #
Kazudy
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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About 40% of the Cardinals within the US, and the world, do NOT AGREE WITH POPE FRANCIS. He is a Socialist Pope. Most Cardinals are quiet.

I don't follow this Pope, but I obey Christ. I am still a Catholic the church creates by Christ, but now,lead by the WRONG POPE. What the hell is he doing to all Catholics who love and obey God?

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pope-benedict-deep-state/
George Soros, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton orchestrated a c**p in the Vatican to o*******w conservative Pope Benedict in February 2013, according to WikiLeaks emails
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Jesus said” I am The Way The T***h and The Life, NO ONE comes to The Father except thru ME!”Jahovah Witnesses claime that Jesus is not God’s Son but an angel, Mormans have a totally different Jesus, but they use His name. Catholics worship the Virgin Mary more then Jesus. Satan is recruiting many religions.

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Jun 13, 2019 08:40:13   #
Kazudy
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
There was nothing Godly about the creation of Israel. Gangsters, feckless politicians, murderous ethnic cleansing, along with a host of other unsavory elements came together to create Isreal.


R.R. Where can I find that information?

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Jun 13, 2019 10:26:44   #
Radiance3
 
Kazudy wrote:
Jesus said” I am The Way The T***h and The Life, NO ONE comes to The Father except thru ME!”Jahovah Witnesses claime that Jesus is not God’s Son but an angel, Mormans have a totally different Jesus, but they use His name. Catholics worship the Virgin Mary more then Jesus. Satan is recruiting many religions.


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Here we go again.

Kasudy, I am saying this again, in the name of Christ, my Lord and Savior. Catholics don't worship the Virgin Mary as God. Jesus is God, the central focus of our worship. We spend every Sundays and Holidays honoring and worshiping Christ. I invite you to our Mass to prove it. We also have the Nicene Creed.

Mary is the mother of Jesus, and we love and honor her NOT as God, but the mother of Christ. I hope you get that right.
When Jesus on the Cross, then saw His mother, and the disciples whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son! John 19:26

Don't believe on so many gossips because it is a sin. Know the facts. God is the only ONE who knows and judges the right thing. Anybody who judges without knowing the t***h is a hypocrite.

I honor and respect yours and others, how you worship Christ. I won't judge them. Catholic is the Church created by Christ thru Peter 2000 years ago. It is about love. That is why I love all those who worship Christ.

Jesus said to His Disciples," love one another as I love you." John 13:34
And He also said, "Love God above all things. And finally, love thy neighbor as thyself."
Mark 12:30-31.

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God bless and thank you for listening.

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Jun 13, 2019 10:36:53   #
Richard Rowland
 
Kazudy wrote:
R.R. Where can I find that information?


The book, "Final Judgement" by Michael Collins Piper, connects Myer Lansky to Israel's creation. It's been reported, you can probably Google that Harry Truman, needing money to run his campaign, signed off on the idea. And, again consulting Google, history outlining the treatment of Palestinians can be found.

Also, while I don't recall names, people in a position to know were aware of the trouble that would be caused by the creation of a Jewish State. There's a wealth of information, depending on how long it's allowed to be available before being removed, that can be found if one cares to look.

Also, if I recall the names correctly, you can check out the activities of the Haganah and Irgun organizations.

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Jun 13, 2019 11:18:55   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
The book, "Final Judgement" by Michael Collins Piper, connects Myer Lansky to Israel's creation. It's been reported, you can probably Google that Harry Truman, needing money to run his campaign, signed off on the idea. And, again consulting Google, history outlining the treatment of Palestinians can be found.

Also, while I don't recall names, people in a position to know were aware of the trouble that would be caused by the creation of a Jewish State. There's a wealth of information, depending on how long it's allowed to be available before being removed, that can be found if one cares to look.

Also, if I recall the names correctly, you can check out the activities of the Haganah and Irgun organizations.
The book, "Final Judgement" by Michael C... (show quote)


As you and the usurper hope for, there has to be one more horrible conflict against the land of Israel.

No people, have ever been in control of Caanan unless it's been ordained from the Almighty Lord of Hosts.

And one day soon, no uncircumcised person, of the flesh and heart will walk in Israel.

That being said, now to your point of singling Jews out for attack, I present a States person who was a great Lioness among Lions, the forth prime minister of Israel;....Golda Mier.

People of her brand are almost a people of the past...I would love to have someone of her stature run for President of the United States!!

Golda Meir is very memorable in the reestablishing of modern Judah.

She came over to the US with $50.000 seeking to build defense capabilities.

Seems her $50,000 was a prudent investment, or angry middle eastern nations would be controlling all of Jerusalem.

The Creator has blessed me as such, that I don't begrudge the Jews for their blessings.

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Jun 13, 2019 11:39:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
byronglimish wrote:
As you and the usurper hope for, there has to be one more horrible conflict against the land of Israel.

No people, have ever been in control of Caanan unless it's been ordained from the Almighty Lord of Hosts.

And one day soon, no uncircumcised person, of the flesh and heart will walk in Israel.

That being said, now to your point of singling Jews out for attack, I present a States person who was a great Lioness among Lions, the forth prime minister of Israel;....Golda Mier.

People of her brand are almost a people of the past...I would love to have someone of her stature run for President of the United States!!

Golda Meir is very memorable in the reestablishing of modern Judah.

She came over to the US with $50.000 seeking to build defense capabilities.

Seems her $50,000 was a prudent investment, or angry middle eastern nations would be controlling all of Jerusalem.

The Creator has blessed me as such, that I don't begrudge the Jews for their blessings.
As you and the usurper hope for, there has to be o... (show quote)


One big problem with you identifying people as Hebrews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Prophecies about Messiah began with Genesis 3:14-15 "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Abraham in reality was preceeded in PROPHESY, by Jesus. In fact, it was PROPHESY that "Preached the gospel unto Abraham," which caused Abraham to see Jesus' DAY, and Rejoice.

It is the SCRIPTURES that tell it like it is:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And it is the SCRIPTURES that tells us Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ; not that he saw the person of Christ Himself. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

And that "gospel" which the scriptures preached to Abraham is found early in the SCRIPTURES.
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

And that "seed of prophesy" preached to Abraham, was Abraham's own seed, the son of David, Jesus of Nazareth;
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now look at another prophesy concerning this seed of Abraham -
Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy t***h: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and d******n, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Further evidence that Jesus is NOT God, is the simple fact that Jesus was raised to God's right hand, and given a name above every name, TO "THE GLORY OF THE FATHER." Why do you suppose the glory was not to Jesus the Messiah?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Why was Jesus NOT called "LOGOS" until his resurrection and ascension to God's right hand? Because it was to be a reward for the completion of His mission as Prophet of God and Messiah.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jesus shows IN SCRIPTURE, that he is not God, but is a Man.
Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 55:12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that h**ed me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

As for any statement-claim of Jesus to being equal with God - He denied that very thing:
WHAT JESUS SAID
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS HEARD JESUS SAY
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS SAID JESUS' WORDS MEANT
John 10:33 "..blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

WHAT JESUS SAID HIS WORDS MEANT
John 10:36 "..I said, I am the Son of God?"

HOW THE JEWS CHANGED THEIR TESTIMONY AT HIS TRIAL
John 19:7 "...he made himself the Son of God."

So the Jews did not "misunderstand" what Jesus' words meant, they simply wanted an accusation against him to cause him trouble. When they came to testify under oath, they had to speak t***h because they knew God was watching their oath testimony.

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Jun 13, 2019 12:01:26   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
eagleye13 wrote:
One big problem with you identifying people as Hebrews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Prophecies about Messiah began with Genesis 3:14-15 "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Abraham in reality was preceeded in PROPHESY, by Jesus. In fact, it was PROPHESY that "Preached the gospel unto Abraham," which caused Abraham to see Jesus' DAY, and Rejoice.

It is the SCRIPTURES that tell it like it is:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And it is the SCRIPTURES that tells us Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ; not that he saw the person of Christ Himself. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

And that "gospel" which the scriptures preached to Abraham is found early in the SCRIPTURES.
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

And that "seed of prophesy" preached to Abraham, was Abraham's own seed, the son of David, Jesus of Nazareth;
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now look at another prophesy concerning this seed of Abraham -
Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy t***h: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and d******n, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Further evidence that Jesus is NOT God, is the simple fact that Jesus was raised to God's right hand, and given a name above every name, TO "THE GLORY OF THE FATHER." Why do you suppose the glory was not to Jesus the Messiah?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Why was Jesus NOT called "LOGOS" until his resurrection and ascension to God's right hand? Because it was to be a reward for the completion of His mission as Prophet of God and Messiah.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jesus shows IN SCRIPTURE, that he is not God, but is a Man.
Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 55:12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that h**ed me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

As for any statement-claim of Jesus to being equal with God - He denied that very thing:
WHAT JESUS SAID
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS HEARD JESUS SAY
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS SAID JESUS' WORDS MEANT
John 10:33 "..blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

WHAT JESUS SAID HIS WORDS MEANT
John 10:36 "..I said, I am the Son of God?"

HOW THE JEWS CHANGED THEIR TESTIMONY AT HIS TRIAL
John 19:7 "...he made himself the Son of God."

So the Jews did not "misunderstand" what Jesus' words meant, they simply wanted an accusation against him to cause him trouble. When they came to testify under oath, they had to speak t***h because they knew God was watching their oath testimony.
One big problem with you identifying people as Heb... (show quote)


Eagle, I have started a huge amount of yardwork, will have a couple questions, about a scripture or two you provided.

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Jun 13, 2019 12:54:19   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
eagleye13 wrote:
One big problem with you identifying people as Hebrews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Prophecies about Messiah began with Genesis 3:14-15 "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Abraham in reality was preceeded in PROPHESY, by Jesus. In fact, it was PROPHESY that "Preached the gospel unto Abraham," which caused Abraham to see Jesus' DAY, and Rejoice.

It is the SCRIPTURES that tell it like it is:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And it is the SCRIPTURES that tells us Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ; not that he saw the person of Christ Himself. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

And that "gospel" which the scriptures preached to Abraham is found early in the SCRIPTURES.
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

And that "seed of prophesy" preached to Abraham, was Abraham's own seed, the son of David, Jesus of Nazareth;
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now look at another prophesy concerning this seed of Abraham -
Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy t***h: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and d******n, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Further evidence that Jesus is NOT God, is the simple fact that Jesus was raised to God's right hand, and given a name above every name, TO "THE GLORY OF THE FATHER." Why do you suppose the glory was not to Jesus the Messiah?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Why was Jesus NOT called "LOGOS" until his resurrection and ascension to God's right hand? Because it was to be a reward for the completion of His mission as Prophet of God and Messiah.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jesus shows IN SCRIPTURE, that he is not God, but is a Man.
Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 55:12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that h**ed me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

As for any statement-claim of Jesus to being equal with God - He denied that very thing:
WHAT JESUS SAID
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS HEARD JESUS SAY
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS SAID JESUS' WORDS MEANT
John 10:33 "..blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

WHAT JESUS SAID HIS WORDS MEANT
John 10:36 "..I said, I am the Son of God?"

HOW THE JEWS CHANGED THEIR TESTIMONY AT HIS TRIAL
John 19:7 "...he made himself the Son of God."

So the Jews did not "misunderstand" what Jesus' words meant, they simply wanted an accusation against him to cause him trouble. When they came to testify under oath, they had to speak t***h because they knew God was watching their oath testimony.
One big problem with you identifying people as Heb... (show quote)


There is so much copied and pasted information in this comment that a single response is almost impossible. So, let us start where you started. Revelations.

Have you read Revelations? I am sure you have, if you are a Christian or have an interest in history. How do you understand this book? What I am asking are you reading it with modern understanding of events or are you reading this book with an understanding of the writer and events of the time it was written? A hundred years ago most people thought that people with epilepsy were possessed by the devil. We now know that the person has misfiring in the brain that causes seizures. Keeping this in mind, let us look at this book and try to determine what was being said and why.

This is my take on the book and I invite you to give your opinions and thoughts. The book was written by an expatriate follower of Jesus, some 70 years after Jesus died, who wanted the movement to remain within an entirely Jewish context, as opposed to the “Christianity” just then being invented by Saul. Saul broke away from the teaching of Jesus and welcomed uncircumcised and trayf-eating Gentiles into the sect. At a time when no one quite called themselves “Christian,” in the modern sense, John is prophesying what would happen if people followed this new religion. In retrospect, we can see that John stood on the cusp of an enormous change—one that eventually would t***sform the entire movement from a Jewish messianic sect into ‘Christianity,’ a new religion flooded with Gentiles. At the time the book was penned, this had not yet happened—not, at least, among the groups John addressed in Asia Minor—he took his stand as a Jewish prophet charged to keep G*d’s people holy, unpolluted by Roman culture. So, John says, Jesus twice warns his followers in Asia Minor to beware of ‘blasphemers’ among them, ‘who say they are Jews, and are not.’ They are, he says, a ‘synagogue of Satan'. Balaam and Jezebel, named as satanic prophets in Revelation are, in this view, caricatures of “Pauline” Christians, who blithely violated Jewish food and sexual laws while still claiming to be followers of the good rabbi Yeshua. Jezebel, in particular, the name that John assigns her, is that of an infamous Canaanite queen, but she’s seen preaching in the nearby town of Thyatira—suggests the women evangelists who were central to Saul’s version of the movement and anathema to a pious Jew like John. She is the original shiksa goddess. (When John accuses ‘Balaam’ and ‘Jezebel’ of inducing people to ‘eat food sacrificed to idols and practice fornication', he might have in mind anything from tolerating people who engage in incest to Jews who become sexually involved with Gentiles or, worse, who marry them.) The scarlet whores and mad beasts in Revelation are the Gentile followers of Saul—and so, in a neat irony, the spiritual ancestors of today’s Protestant evangelicals. You may recall that Saul was the "deacon" or charged by himself "overseer" of the Church of Asia Minor.

So, I invite your opinions and thoughts. Please keep in mind, I intend no disrespect to Christians, I only offer an alternative from a historical prospective.

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Jun 13, 2019 14:41:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
eagleye13 wrote:
One big problem with you identifying people as Hebrews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Prophecies about Messiah began with Genesis 3:14-15 "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Abraham in reality was preceeded in PROPHESY, by Jesus. In fact, it was PROPHESY that "Preached the gospel unto Abraham," which caused Abraham to see Jesus' DAY, and Rejoice.

It is the SCRIPTURES that tell it like it is:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And it is the SCRIPTURES that tells us Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ; not that he saw the person of Christ Himself. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

And that "gospel" which the scriptures preached to Abraham is found early in the SCRIPTURES.
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

And that "seed of prophesy" preached to Abraham, was Abraham's own seed, the son of David, Jesus of Nazareth;
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now look at another prophesy concerning this seed of Abraham -
Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy t***h: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and d******n, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Further evidence that Jesus is NOT God, is the simple fact that Jesus was raised to God's right hand, and given a name above every name, TO "THE GLORY OF THE FATHER." Why do you suppose the glory was not to Jesus the Messiah?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Why was Jesus NOT called "LOGOS" until his resurrection and ascension to God's right hand? Because it was to be a reward for the completion of His mission as Prophet of God and Messiah.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jesus shows IN SCRIPTURE, that he is not God, but is a Man.
Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 55:12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that h**ed me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

As for any statement-claim of Jesus to being equal with God - He denied that very thing:
WHAT JESUS SAID
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS HEARD JESUS SAY
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS SAID JESUS' WORDS MEANT
John 10:33 "..blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

WHAT JESUS SAID HIS WORDS MEANT
John 10:36 "..I said, I am the Son of God?"

HOW THE JEWS CHANGED THEIR TESTIMONY AT HIS TRIAL
John 19:7 "...he made himself the Son of God."

So the Jews did not "misunderstand" what Jesus' words meant, they simply wanted an accusation against him to cause him trouble. When they came to testify under oath, they had to speak t***h because they knew God was watching their oath testimony.
One big problem with you identifying people as Heb... (show quote)


The entire book of Psalms is poems or songs from David to our Father. In many he complains about his life, current affairs, his loves, his loss.... all in all his human condition. He also expresses his views of nature and the mighty works of our Father.

The Levites sang the Psalms in the ancient Temple, and are still sang to welcome the Shabbat on Friday nights. There are six psalms (95-99, plus 29) praising the beauty of nature (corresponding to the six days of Creation) and culminating in the Psalm for Shabbat. Psalms may be heard at many moments in life: at the bedside of those who are ill, at the beginning of the blessing after meals, at funerals, when visiting a grave, and in many other settings. They are there to help express our great joy and devastating despair, our gratitude and our distress, life’s “ups” and, of course, its “downs.”

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Jun 13, 2019 15:26:30   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
eagleye13 wrote:
One big problem with you identifying people as Hebrews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

Prophecies about Messiah began with Genesis 3:14-15 "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Abraham in reality was preceeded in PROPHESY, by Jesus. In fact, it was PROPHESY that "Preached the gospel unto Abraham," which caused Abraham to see Jesus' DAY, and Rejoice.

It is the SCRIPTURES that tell it like it is:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And it is the SCRIPTURES that tells us Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ; not that he saw the person of Christ Himself. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

And that "gospel" which the scriptures preached to Abraham is found early in the SCRIPTURES.
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

And that "seed of prophesy" preached to Abraham, was Abraham's own seed, the son of David, Jesus of Nazareth;
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Now look at another prophesy concerning this seed of Abraham -
Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy t***h: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and d******n, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Further evidence that Jesus is NOT God, is the simple fact that Jesus was raised to God's right hand, and given a name above every name, TO "THE GLORY OF THE FATHER." Why do you suppose the glory was not to Jesus the Messiah?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Why was Jesus NOT called "LOGOS" until his resurrection and ascension to God's right hand? Because it was to be a reward for the completion of His mission as Prophet of God and Messiah.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jesus shows IN SCRIPTURE, that he is not God, but is a Man.
Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 55:12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that h**ed me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

As for any statement-claim of Jesus to being equal with God - He denied that very thing:
WHAT JESUS SAID
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS HEARD JESUS SAY
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

WHAT THE JEWS SAID JESUS' WORDS MEANT
John 10:33 "..blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

WHAT JESUS SAID HIS WORDS MEANT
John 10:36 "..I said, I am the Son of God?"

HOW THE JEWS CHANGED THEIR TESTIMONY AT HIS TRIAL
John 19:7 "...he made himself the Son of God."

So the Jews did not "misunderstand" what Jesus' words meant, they simply wanted an accusation against him to cause him trouble. When they came to testify under oath, they had to speak t***h because they knew God was watching their oath testimony.
One big problem with you identifying people as Heb... (show quote)


John 10:30. Okay so Jesus is saying that he is equal to G*d, but hold on..... he may not have expressed his relationship differently in Mark 13:32 "that day and that hour, there is knoweth, not the angels, nor the Son, but the Father only"; these words show, that the Father and the Son are not one, since the Son does not know what the Father knows. So, some argue that at times he acted in the role of being G*d and other times he acted in the role of a human.... interesting. If you follow that logic, could one think he was schizophrenic? Did he become "possessed" if you recall many Christians burned people for being "possessed" because possession was equated to an act of the devil. Or shall we just go by what is written in John and ignore pestie verses that do not agree?

John 19:7 is misquoted, it actually reads "He ought to die." To understand this, we need to understand that the scene was a conclave, not a trial. A v**e had to be taken and then a sentence determined. The Jews did not come to a unanimous decision. They decided to put the matter into the hands of Pilate and he was dismissive, he demanded that they decide. You see the general Roman policy that was in force, that is all questions that did not directly affect government had to be settled at local levels. See John 19:12....Pilate sought to release him, he did not do it, nor use the power he boasted he had. The straw that pushed him over the edge was Pilate would show but little regard to Caesar, by whom he was raised to this dignity; who had put him into this trust; whom he represented, and in whose name he acted. So, the death sentence was given by Pilate for charge of s******n not blasphemy.

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