Why are Jews h**ed and discriminated against all through history? (Page 10): First, your personal remarks are most generous and I appreciate your kindness. Now then, you selected a...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

t***hiness wrote:

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First, your personal remarks are most generous and I appreciate your kindness.

Now then, you selected a very interesting book and verse, also known as the Shirat Ha’azinu, Song of Moses. My Poppa and I spent much time on this chapter and verse. Paying particular attention to the t***slations from Hebrew to Greek. Other references; Acts 17:26, Numbers 23:9, Deuteronomy 33:28, Psalm 74:17, and Micah 2:5.

Exactly how did G*d divide the earth.... the original words are "le-mispar benei elohim", which means, “equal to the number of divine beings.” He is not saying that the Israelites are divine beings, but rather there are divine beings. To understand this one must go back to Genesis 10, to the Table of Nations. Two details there are important; First, the Table of Nations catalogs seventy nations, but Israel is not included. Second, the use of the same Hebrew root (draPA) in both Genesis 10 and Deuteronomy 32 to describe the "separation" of the human race. And while G*d assigned those nations to the divine beings He also set Israel apart for Himself. Now does that not open a can of worms? The question then is: are there actually other divine beings (sons of G*d) that G*d has assigned to oversee the other nations on earth, except for Israel (who He keeps for Himself)? (I will go into detail on this if anyone might be interested).

But, that is off the question you asked.... being will Israel/Jew play a special role in the evolution of humankind. The answer is yes... statistically we should have disappeared many times throughout history, but have not. The only reasons I can think of is either the Jew simply a stubborn lot that refuses to give up or have not completed the role or fulfilled G*d's intention. My bet, G*d is not finished with Israel or her people.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Pennylynn wrote:

First, your personal remarks are most generous and... (show quote)

I Kings 22:19-23 describes Devine beings too..a lying spirit doing the Almighty's will. Is that how you see that too?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

byronglimish wrote:

I Kings 22:19-23 describes Devine beings too..a lying spirit doing the Almighty's will. Is that how you see that too?

Yes, that is a very interesting read.

"19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.

20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that.

21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’

22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’

23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

There are more cases on the same line.... interesting to think about.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Pennylynn wrote:

Yes, that is a very interesting read. br br &qu... (show quote)

Thank you, interesting indeed.

truthiness

Pennylynn wrote:

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Sometimes my replies don't seem to make it through the OPP tunnel. Here is my repeat response to your interesting comments above; sorry if redundant.

Thank you for being willing to explain Deut 32. Your explanation parallels very well the Christian version (The Interpreter's Bible) that I have had little basis for understanding. So, yes, if you are willing to go into detail, I would appreciate it very much. Meanwhile it's off to your other references. Thanks again.
(I earlier mentioned a second question--but I don't want to dilute this topic now).

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

t***hiness wrote:

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So, let us first understand how inheritance works (as it still does in Jewish families), the sum of all wealth to include titles are divided between the male children. The first born son gets the titles and authority along with the grand share of wealth. So, for instance, if a man had 4 sons, he would divide all he had into 5 parts, and give his firstborn son 2 of those five parts, and then the remaining 3 sons each got 1 part. Now do you understand why Hagar had to be sent away.

Let us talk about which sons got what.... First, Ham (recall that he was cursed for his behavior when he found his father naked)…..we need to pay close attention to these names, for they will play a prominent role in the Bible. Cush is Ethiopia. Mizraim is Egypt. Put is Libya, and Canaan is the founder of the Land of Canaan, conquered by Joshua, which became Israel; those descendants of Canaan form many of the people of the Middle East and the Orient, some of which are often, mistakenly, called Arabs. Arabs are of the line of Shem, not Ham. Kush was the father of the infamous Ashur or known better by his Babylonian name of Nimrod, a black man. This is not at all conjecture; many figurines and etchings of Nimrod have been found, going back thousands of years, and they all confirm his Negro features. Ancient Assyrian tablets, found in large quantities, not only mention Nimrod, they confirm the title for him that we see in 10:9….. “mighty h****r”. But, as the Assyrian tablets explain, this is not because he was good at k*****g deer, fowl, rabbits, or wild boars. This expression means “a h****r of men”….. a warrior. Nimrod is important as he was the founder of Bavel (Bav-el meant the city of G*d), which we now call Babylon associated with the "Tower." Technically, the tower was a Ziggurat, a kind of a step pyramid. Quite a few Ziggurats have been discovered in Iraq and Iran. There is more to this, especially when one considers the meaning of unity and how G*d has a particular disliking for unity.

Now verse 13 tells us that the Philistines came from the line of Ham, we need to remember that the modern word for Philistine, is Palestine. The Palestinians of today claim to be descendants of the Philistines who are descended from Ham. In fact, that is not true. The bulk of the Palestinians are Arabs (Muslims) from various areas of the Middle East, who came as immigrants to the Holy Land area over the last 75 -100 years seeking work on Jewish farms and in Jewish factories; and Arabs are not from the line of Ham, they are from the line of Shem. This will become clear if you keep reading the bible through Exodus. We see a list of tribes spawned by Canaan in verses 15-18. Later, during the Exodus from Egypt, you’ll see many of these names reappear as enemies of the Israelites who will try to keep them out of the Promised Land.

Moving onward to verse 21 we get the inheritance of Shem. Shem means name; the word “name” is not referring to Bob, or Elizabeth, or Fred; this Hebrew word shem would be better t***slated as “reputation” as it carries with it the sense of power and authority. In a nutshell, you’ll notice that Shem is referred to as the “father” or “ancestor” of the children or descendants of Ever, or Eber. This is key to Hebrew history because from the line of Eber would come another of G*d’s divisions: Peleg and Yoktan. Peleg and Yoktan were brothers, sons of Ever. Interestingly, Peleg means “division”. For, from the line of Peleg came Abraham, from whom G*d’s plan to rescue all of mankind, to restore fallen man to Himself, would come. We also get a few other insights about Abraham and his family. For instance, his father was Terach, and Abraham had two brothers….. at least two……. and their names were Nachor and Haran. Haran had a son named Lot. We see that Abraham married a woman named Sarai (we later find out that she was the daughter of another of his father’s wives…… so Sarai would have been Abraham’s half-sister). Of interest is verse 31. It seems that it was initially Terach, not Abraham, who FIRST got the call to take his family and move to the land of Canaan. When Terach got that call he and his family were living in the city of Ur of the Chaldees. The Chaldees was an ancient culture of that area; Sumer was the region’s name, and Ur was in essence the capital city. It was also a very wicked place; in fact it was the cultural center for the worship of the moon-god Hurki. (this is interesting due to the name change of Hurki... but, that is for another time). Terach did leave Ur, but instead of heading southwest to Canaan, he went northwest to Mesopotamia. When they arrived at a certain city, they decided to stay instead of going on to Canaan. Why, we’re not told. But, it was there that Abraham’s brother, Haran, died. And, the city was named after him sometime later. Of special note, at this time, Abraham was not yet called Abraham…… he was called Abram, or in Hebrew, Avram, which meant “exalted father”. It would be several years before G*d changed his name from Avram to Avraham, which meant “father of many.” From this comes the Covenant, which is a subject unto itself.

No, I did not forget about the youngest of the brothers. The immediate descendants of Japheth were seven in number, and are represented by the nations designated Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras; or, roughly, the Armenians, Lydians, Medes, Greeks, Tibarenians, and Moschians, the last, Tiras, remaining still obscure. The sons of Gomer (Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) were all settled in the West Asian tract; while the sons of Javan (Elisah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim or Rodanim) occupied the Mediterranean coast and the adjacent islands. Ergo, this is the line which Saul aka Paul came from and explains why his letters encompass the vast majority of the New Testament.

At another time we can discuss the book of Ezekiel because it is that book which answers the majority of your original question.... who are the Jews that the bible focuses on.

I hope this explains why the Middle East will not see peace until the end days.

Kazudy

eagleye13 wrote:

Good point.
NWO Z*****m is the problem.

The Pope is NOT Jewish. He is wanting to unite Christianism and merge with Islam to have a one world religion and assist the G*******t that both President Bush’s were promoting for a One World government. I v**ed for both Bushes and am sorry about that. Put attention people, it’s areond the corner.

Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa

Kazudy wrote:

The Pope is NOT Jewish. He is wanting to unite Christianism and merge with Islam to have a one world religion and assist the G*******t that both President Bush’s were promoting for a One World government. I v**ed for both Bushes and am sorry about that. Put attention people, it’s areond the corner.

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He is wanting to unite Christianism and merge with Islam:

That is like the old story about the scorpion asking for a ride accross the stream on the back of a frog and of course once accross the scorpion stings the frog which is what Islam would do.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Oldsailor65 wrote:

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He is wanting to unite Christianism and merge with Islam:

That is like the old story about the scorpion asking for a ride across the stream on the back of a frog and of course once across the scorpion stings the frog which is what Islam would do.

The Papacy and the Catholic leadership are corrupt.
Catholics have to get saved in spite of their religion.
A warning to all; do not worship a religion.
Worship Christ.

truthiness

Pennylynn wrote:

So, let us first understand how inheritance works (as it still does in Jewish families), the sum of all wealth to include titles are divided between the male children. The first born son gets the titles and authority along with the grand share of wealth. So, for instance, if a man had 4 sons, he would divide all he had into 5 parts, and give his firstborn son 2 of those five parts, and then the remaining 3 sons each got 1 part. Now do you understand why Hagar had to be sent away.

Let us talk about which sons got what.... First, Ham (recall that he was cursed for his behavior when he found his father naked)…..we need to pay close attention to these names, for they will play a prominent role in the Bible. Cush is Ethiopia. Mizraim is Egypt. Put is Libya, and Canaan is the founder of the Land of Canaan, conquered by Joshua, which became Israel; those descendants of Canaan form many of the people of the Middle East and the Orient, some of which are often, mistakenly, called Arabs. Arabs are of the line of Shem, not Ham. Kush was the father of the infamous Ashur or known better by his Babylonian name of Nimrod, a black man. This is not at all conjecture; many figurines and etchings of Nimrod have been found, going back thousands of years, and they all confirm his Negro features. Ancient Assyrian tablets, found in large quantities, not only mention Nimrod, they confirm the title for him that we see in 10:9….. “mighty h****r”. But, as the Assyrian tablets explain, this is not because he was good at k*****g deer, fowl, rabbits, or wild boars. This expression means “a h****r of men”….. a warrior. Nimrod is important as he was the founder of Bavel (Bav-el meant the city of G*d), which we now call Babylon associated with the "Tower." Technically, the tower was a Ziggurat, a kind of a step pyramid. Quite a few Ziggurats have been discovered in Iraq and Iran. There is more to this, especially when one considers the meaning of unity and how G*d has a particular disliking for unity.

Now verse 13 tells us that the Philistines came from the line of Ham, we need to remember that the modern word for Philistine, is Palestine. The Palestinians of today claim to be descendants of the Philistines who are descended from Ham. In fact, that is not true. The bulk of the Palestinians are Arabs (Muslims) from various areas of the Middle East, who came as immigrants to the Holy Land area over the last 75 -100 years seeking work on Jewish farms and in Jewish factories; and Arabs are not from the line of Ham, they are from the line of Shem. This will become clear if you keep reading the bible through Exodus. We see a list of tribes spawned by Canaan in verses 15-18. Later, during the Exodus from Egypt, you’ll see many of these names reappear as enemies of the Israelites who will try to keep them out of the Promised Land.

Moving onward to verse 21 we get the inheritance of Shem. Shem means name; the word “name” is not referring to Bob, or Elizabeth, or Fred; this Hebrew word shem would be better t***slated as “reputation” as it carries with it the sense of power and authority. In a nutshell, you’ll notice that Shem is referred to as the “father” or “ancestor” of the children or descendants of Ever, or Eber. This is key to Hebrew history because from the line of Eber would come another of G*d’s divisions: Peleg and Yoktan. Peleg and Yoktan were brothers, sons of Ever. Interestingly, Peleg means “division”. For, from the line of Peleg came Abraham, from whom G*d’s plan to rescue all of mankind, to restore fallen man to Himself, would come. We also get a few other insights about Abraham and his family. For instance, his father was Terach, and Abraham had two brothers….. at least two……. and their names were Nachor and Haran. Haran had a son named Lot. We see that Abraham married a woman named Sarai (we later find out that she was the daughter of another of his father’s wives…… so Sarai would have been Abraham’s half-sister). Of interest is verse 31. It seems that it was initially Terach, not Abraham, who FIRST got the call to take his family and move to the land of Canaan. When Terach got that call he and his family were living in the city of Ur of the Chaldees. The Chaldees was an ancient culture of that area; Sumer was the region’s name, and Ur was in essence the capital city. It was also a very wicked place; in fact it was the cultural center for the worship of the moon-god Hurki. (this is interesting due to the name change of Hurki... but, that is for another time). Terach did leave Ur, but instead of heading southwest to Canaan, he went northwest to Mesopotamia. When they arrived at a certain city, they decided to stay instead of going on to Canaan. Why, we’re not told. But, it was there that Abraham’s brother, Haran, died. And, the city was named after him sometime later. Of special note, at this time, Abraham was not yet called Abraham…… he was called Abram, or in Hebrew, Avram, which meant “exalted father”. It would be several years before G*d changed his name from Avram to Avraham, which meant “father of many.” From this comes the Covenant, which is a subject unto itself.

No, I did not forget about the youngest of the brothers. The immediate descendants of Japheth were seven in number, and are represented by the nations designated Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras; or, roughly, the Armenians, Lydians, Medes, Greeks, Tibarenians, and Moschians, the last, Tiras, remaining still obscure. The sons of Gomer (Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) were all settled in the West Asian tract; while the sons of Javan (Elisah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim or Rodanim) occupied the Mediterranean coast and the adjacent islands. Ergo, this is the line which Saul aka Paul came from and explains why his letters encompass the vast majority of the New Testament.

At another time we can discuss the book of Ezekiel because it is that book which answers the majority of your original question.... who are the Jews that the bible focuses on.

I hope this explains why the Middle East will not see peace until the end days.

So, let us first understand how inheritance works ... (show quote)

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Thank you for taking the time to go through that lineage--it will take me some time to digest it.
1) With regard to inheritance, I thought that perhaps Zelophehad's daughters might have changed the original pattern when they convinced Moses to change the law (after consultation with Deity, of course)--maybe it was a one-time thing for them. I have always thought of their being the first Israeli feminists.
2) Back to the "can of worms" that you mentioned earlier ('Sons of God' given some sort of task to guide or mentor the specific nations). Having exactly zero basis for even speculation, I wonder if the early fathers (Adam, Abel, Seth, etc.) might have been given post-mortally these responsibilities.

My thanks again for your taking time to explain these issues; extremely helpful.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Pennylynn wrote:

So, let us first understand how inheritance works (as it still does in Jewish families), the sum of all wealth to include titles are divided between the male children. The first born son gets the titles and authority along with the grand share of wealth. So, for instance, if a man had 4 sons, he would divide all he had into 5 parts, and give his firstborn son 2 of those five parts, and then the remaining 3 sons each got 1 part. Now do you understand why Hagar had to be sent away.

Let us talk about which sons got what.... First, Ham (recall that he was cursed for his behavior when he found his father naked)…..we need to pay close attention to these names, for they will play a prominent role in the Bible. Cush is Ethiopia. Mizraim is Egypt. Put is Libya, and Canaan is the founder of the Land of Canaan, conquered by Joshua, which became Israel; those descendants of Canaan form many of the people of the Middle East and the Orient, some of which are often, mistakenly, called Arabs. Arabs are of the line of Shem, not Ham. Kush was the father of the infamous Ashur or known better by his Babylonian name of Nimrod, a black man. This is not at all conjecture; many figurines and etchings of Nimrod have been found, going back thousands of years, and they all confirm his Negro features. Ancient Assyrian tablets, found in large quantities, not only mention Nimrod, they confirm the title for him that we see in 10:9….. “mighty h****r”. But, as the Assyrian tablets explain, this is not because he was good at k*****g deer, fowl, rabbits, or wild boars. This expression means “a h****r of men”….. a warrior. Nimrod is important as he was the founder of Bavel (Bav-el meant the city of G*d), which we now call Babylon associated with the "Tower." Technically, the tower was a Ziggurat, a kind of a step pyramid. Quite a few Ziggurats have been discovered in Iraq and Iran. There is more to this, especially when one considers the meaning of unity and how G*d has a particular disliking for unity.

Now verse 13 tells us that the Philistines came from the line of Ham, we need to remember that the modern word for Philistine, is Palestine. The Palestinians of today claim to be descendants of the Philistines who are descended from Ham. In fact, that is not true. The bulk of the Palestinians are Arabs (Muslims) from various areas of the Middle East, who came as immigrants to the Holy Land area over the last 75 -100 years seeking work on Jewish farms and in Jewish factories; and Arabs are not from the line of Ham, they are from the line of Shem. This will become clear if you keep reading the bible through Exodus. We see a list of tribes spawned by Canaan in verses 15-18. Later, during the Exodus from Egypt, you’ll see many of these names reappear as enemies of the Israelites who will try to keep them out of the Promised Land.

Moving onward to verse 21 we get the inheritance of Shem. Shem means name; the word “name” is not referring to Bob, or Elizabeth, or Fred; this Hebrew word shem would be better t***slated as “reputation” as it carries with it the sense of power and authority. In a nutshell, you’ll notice that Shem is referred to as the “father” or “ancestor” of the children or descendants of Ever, or Eber. This is key to Hebrew history because from the line of Eber would come another of G*d’s divisions: Peleg and Yoktan. Peleg and Yoktan were brothers, sons of Ever. Interestingly, Peleg means “division”. For, from the line of Peleg came Abraham, from whom G*d’s plan to rescue all of mankind, to restore fallen man to Himself, would come. We also get a few other insights about Abraham and his family. For instance, his father was Terach, and Abraham had two brothers….. at least two……. and their names were Nachor and Haran. Haran had a son named Lot. We see that Abraham married a woman named Sarai (we later find out that she was the daughter of another of his father’s wives…… so Sarai would have been Abraham’s half-sister). Of interest is verse 31. It seems that it was initially Terach, not Abraham, who FIRST got the call to take his family and move to the land of Canaan. When Terach got that call he and his family were living in the city of Ur of the Chaldees. The Chaldees was an ancient culture of that area; Sumer was the region’s name, and Ur was in essence the capital city. It was also a very wicked place; in fact it was the cultural center for the worship of the moon-god Hurki. (this is interesting due to the name change of Hurki... but, that is for another time). Terach did leave Ur, but instead of heading southwest to Canaan, he went northwest to Mesopotamia. When they arrived at a certain city, they decided to stay instead of going on to Canaan. Why, we’re not told. But, it was there that Abraham’s brother, Haran, died. And, the city was named after him sometime later. Of special note, at this time, Abraham was not yet called Abraham…… he was called Abram, or in Hebrew, Avram, which meant “exalted father”. It would be several years before G*d changed his name from Avram to Avraham, which meant “father of many.” From this comes the Covenant, which is a subject unto itself.

No, I did not forget about the youngest of the brothers. The immediate descendants of Japheth were seven in number, and are represented by the nations designated Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras; or, roughly, the Armenians, Lydians, Medes, Greeks, Tibarenians, and Moschians, the last, Tiras, remaining still obscure. The sons of Gomer (Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) were all settled in the West Asian tract; while the sons of Javan (Elisah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim or Rodanim) occupied the Mediterranean coast and the adjacent islands. Ergo, this is the line which Saul aka Paul came from and explains why his letters encompass the vast majority of the New Testament.

At another time we can discuss the book of Ezekiel because it is that book which answers the majority of your original question.... who are the Jews that the bible focuses on.

I hope this explains why the Middle East will not see peace until the end days.

So, let us first understand how inheritance works ... (show quote)

Covered well, but not much on the migrations of 10 Tribed Israel, and the Israelites of today.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

eagleye13 wrote:

Covered well, but not much on the migrations of 10 Tribed Israel, and the Israelites of today.

Well, because you know so much about Jews.... why don't you go ahead and enlighten us.

Radiance3

eagleye13 wrote:

The Papacy and the Catholic leadership are corrupt.
Catholics have to get saved in spite of their religion.
A warning to all; do not worship a religion.
Worship Christ.

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About 40% of the Cardinals within the US, and the world, do NOT AGREE WITH POPE FRANCIS. He is a Socialist Pope. Most Cardinals are quiet.

I don't follow this Pope, but I obey Christ. I am still a Catholic the church creates by Christ, but now,lead by the WRONG POPE. What the hell is he doing to all Catholics who love and obey God?

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pope-benedict-deep-state/
George Soros, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton orchestrated a c**p in the Vatican to o*******w conservative Pope Benedict in February 2013, according to WikiLeaks emails

Richard Rowland

jSmitty45 wrote:

The land of Israel was given by God to the descendants of Abraham. God created the world, and he has the right to apportion it. Genesis 15:18-21 God made a covenant with Abraham, and he stated that covenant was eternal, and unconditional. God told Abraham that he will assign the land to his offspring. The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people!

There was nothing Godly about the creation of Israel. Gangsters, feckless politicians, murderous ethnic cleansing, along with a host of other unsavory elements came together to create Isreal.

Richard Rowland

eagleye13 wrote:

Covered well, but not much on the migrations of 10 Tribed Israel, and the Israelites of today.

LOL. Next ole Pennyhen will infer you're a flat thinker, eagleye. Wh**ever that is.