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Jun 8, 2019 11:17:14   #
DASHY
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
AF one, I guess you've never heard that corporations don't pay income taxes; people do!


Corporations are required to pay taxes from company profits. Many of our most profitable corporations pay no tax at all. Trump's recent tax bill lowered the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 21%. He told us his tax bill would help middle Americans. More BS from a lying con man.

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Jun 8, 2019 11:42:32   #
Lonewolf
 
DASHY wrote:
Corporations are required to pay taxes from company profits. Many of our most profitable corporations pay no tax at all. Trump's recent tax bill lowered the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 21%. He told us his tax bill would help middle Americans. More BS from a lying con man.



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Jun 8, 2019 11:52:17   #
bahmer
 
DASHY wrote:
Corporations are required to pay taxes from company profits. Many of our most profitable corporations pay no tax at all. Trump's recent tax bill lowered the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 21%. He told us his tax bill would help middle Americans. More BS from a lying con man.


That lower tax rate is what is bringing companies back from China and providing jobs for fellow Americans but obviously you and lonewolf don't care about your fellow Americans all you care about is yourselves which is very selfish of both of you.

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Jun 8, 2019 11:59:59   #
Lonewolf
 
bahmer wrote:
That lower tax rate is what is bringing companies back from China and providing jobs for fellow Americans but obviously you and lonewolf don't care about your fellow Americans all you care about is yourselves which is very selfish of both of you.


May job report trump only created 75,000 jobs at least 200,000 are needed to survive.
All indicators point at a recession something f*****t republicans are good at .
Trumps goal is to destroy this country have no doubt about it!

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Jun 8, 2019 12:07:39   #
bahmer
 
Lonewolf wrote:
May job report trump only created 75,000 jobs at least 200,000 are needed to survive.
All indicators point at a recession something f*****t republicans are good at .
Trumps goal is to destroy this country have no doubt about it!


Stop listening to your left wing news sources and listen to real news and find out the real t***h if you dare.

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Jun 8, 2019 12:24:24   #
DASHY
 
bahmer wrote:
That lower tax rate is what is bringing companies back from China and providing jobs for fellow Americans but obviously you and lonewolf don't care about your fellow Americans all you care about is yourselves which is very selfish of both of you.


Can you identify any particular company that came back from China because of Trump?

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Jun 8, 2019 12:24:34   #
Lonewolf
 
bahmer wrote:
Stop listening to your left wing news sources and listen to real news and find out the real t***h if you dare.


You might try it its a government report

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Jun 8, 2019 12:47:55   #
Airforceone
 
peg w wrote:
Socilism is not bad. The excess of Capitolism are reined in. I managed to pay off my college debts in ten years, I was not overly burdened by debt. Because my state subsidised my education, in part. For the life of me, I cannot see why we are the only first world nation that does not have univerdal health care, and we do not put breaks on pharmaceutical price gouging. We do not have to swallow allmof socialism, but by swallowing parts of it we will make us a better nation.


Without socialism we have no wage and price control.
Without socialism———- Who will build our, Roads, Schools, First responders, DPW, Our defense budget, Clean Air and water, these are examples of socialism. Anytime you take tax payer funds and use to support our capitalist that’s socialism. Without socialism how do we stimulate the economy.

The government is not in business of manufacturing and having total control of goods and services. But it’s the government that stimulates the economy with tax payer funds the capitalist maintains the economy, until the capitalist raise prices faster than wages increase (Inflation) and then this country goes into a recession.

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Jun 8, 2019 13:06:54   #
bahmer
 
Airforceone wrote:
Without socialism we have no wage and price control.
Without socialism———- Who will build our, Roads, Schools, First responders, DPW, Our defense budget, Clean Air and water, these are examples of socialism. Anytime you take tax payer funds and use to support our capitalist that’s socialism. Without socialism how do we stimulate the economy.

The government is not in business of manufacturing and having total control of goods and services. But it’s the government that stimulates the economy with tax payer funds the capitalist maintains the economy, until the capitalist raise prices faster than wages increase (Inflation) and then this country goes into a recession.
Without socialism we have no wage and price contro... (show quote)


So by stimulating the economy you mean to go to war with another country and thus stimulate the economy through the manufacturing of war equipment? Another way to stimulate the economy is through the sale of our goods to other countries, Noe if the trade is imbalanced then the tariffs will bring into balance faster. Also if other countries are not doing as we would like them to do tariffs would hasten them getting in line so to speak but none of these are socialist. Things like social security and medicare are socialist ideas. I don' know about clean air and water those are covered by laws and if you mess up you can be fined and your business is put out of business. We could go back to home schools but we are to lazy for that now and the same goes to all volunteer fire departments as well as the police and medical facilities but then you wouldn't have specialists right.

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Jun 8, 2019 16:59:41   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
DASHY wrote:
Corporations are required to pay taxes from company profits. Many of our most profitable corporations pay no tax at all. Trump's recent tax bill lowered the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 21%. He told us his tax bill would help middle Americans. More BS from a lying con man.



I think you're missing my point, Dashy. Corporations merely collect taxes for the government. Wh**ever taxes they pay are passed on to the consumer in the form of price increases. Where do you think corporations get the money to pay taxes? Our corporate tax rate has been among the highest of any other country which in turn forces them to charge higher prices and be uncompetitive in the world market. What are you going to do about countries that charge lower tax rates? Are you going to force them to pay higher taxes? How? I've got an idea! Let's put tariffs on their goods sold in this Country! Wait a minute! Isn't that what Trump's been doing at the outrage of Democrats? It seems to me that I've heard Democrats for years scream about leveling the playing field. Does that only apply to those in the US? Free market capitalism, to the extent that it can be attained, has always worked best to the benefit of everyone. More sales, more jobs. More jobs, more sales.

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Jun 8, 2019 17:15:30   #
Airforceone
 
bahmer wrote:
So by stimulating the economy you mean to go to war with another country and thus stimulate the economy through the manufacturing of war equipment? Another way to stimulate the economy is through the sale of our goods to other countries, Noe if the trade is imbalanced then the tariffs will bring into balance faster. Also if other countries are not doing as we would like them to do tariffs would hasten them getting in line so to speak but none of these are socialist. Things like social security and medicare are socialist ideas. I don' know about clean air and water those are covered by laws and if you mess up you can be fined and your business is put out of business. We could go back to home schools but we are to lazy for that now and the same goes to all volunteer fire departments as well as the police and medical facilities but then you wouldn't have specialists right.
So by stimulating the economy you mean to go to wa... (show quote)

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Jun 8, 2019 17:26:53   #
Airforceone
 
bahmer wrote:
So by stimulating the economy you mean to go to war with another country and thus stimulate the economy through the manufacturing of war equipment? Another way to stimulate the economy is through the sale of our goods to other countries, Noe if the trade is imbalanced then the tariffs will bring into balance faster. Also if other countries are not doing as we would like them to do tariffs would hasten them getting in line so to speak but none of these are socialist. Things like social security and medicare are socialist ideas. I don' know about clean air and water those are covered by laws and if you mess up you can be fined and your business is put out of business. We could go back to home schools but we are to lazy for that now and the same goes to all volunteer fire departments as well as the police and medical facilities but then you wouldn't have specialists right.
So by stimulating the economy you mean to go to wa... (show quote)


Defense budget is used to be a deterrent what the hell is wrong with you making a dumb statement like that. When have thousands of nuclear weapons and it only 5 to wipe out the world. Why do we keep making them. So what your saying either our way or the highway. How about taxing our manufacturers that move out of this country instead the POS in the White House gave them a 19% tax cut and kept all the loopholes in place.

Yes stimulate the economy by sales to other countries yes but that dumb SOB in the White wants to use tariffs and all that does is raise our cost of goods . Trumps GD Tariffs is nothing but a tax on the American people. China doesn’t pay the taxes the cost of goods goes up and the American consumer pays the increase which causes inflation to go up. That dumb SOB in the White House doesn’t Understand that and either do you

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Jun 8, 2019 17:33:05   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Airforceone wrote:
Without socialism we have no wage and price control.
Without socialism———- Who will build our, Roads, Schools, First responders, DPW, Our defense budget, Clean Air and water, these are examples of socialism. Anytime you take tax payer funds and use to support our capitalist that’s socialism. Without socialism how do we stimulate the economy.

The government is not in business of manufacturing and having total control of goods and services. But it’s the government that stimulates the economy with tax payer funds the capitalist maintains the economy, until the capitalist raise prices faster than wages increase (Inflation) and then this country goes into a recession.
Without socialism we have no wage and price contro... (show quote)



Who wants wage and price controls? Not me! It's never worked. The best way to control wages and prices is through a system of free market competition. A business isn't going to be able to charge high prices if there is another that wants a piece of the business who can keep that business honest. Price gouging is simply a way to cut your own throat. Nobody ever said that a democracy couldn't have a certain amount paid for through government taxation. That isn't socialism! The systems in the Baltic countries, like Bernie Sanders is fond of quoting, isn't socialism. It is a capitalistic economy. It has more programs paid for through government appropriations than we do but it isn't socialism. Notice I said "through" government, not "by" government. The government has no money that it hasn't taken from us, the taxpayer.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:51:35   #
DASHY
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I think you're missing my point, Dashy. Corporations merely collect taxes for the government. Wh**ever taxes they pay are passed on to the consumer in the form of price increases. Where do you think corporations get the money to pay taxes? Our corporate tax rate has been among the highest of any other country which in turn forces them to charge higher prices and be uncompetitive in the world market. What are you going to do about countries that charge lower tax rates? Are you going to force them to pay higher taxes? How? I've got an idea! Let's put tariffs on their goods sold in this Country! Wait a minute! Isn't that what Trump's been doing at the outrage of Democrats? It seems to me that I've heard Democrats for years scream about leveling the playing field. Does that only apply to those in the US? Free market capitalism, to the extent that it can be attained, has always worked best to the benefit of everyone. More sales, more jobs. More jobs, more sales.
I think you're missing my point, Dashy. Corporati... (show quote)


Collecting taxes is the job of the government agency called the IRS. Corporations pay taxes to the IRS from company profits. A profit is realized when a company sells goods or services for an amount greater than the cost to acquire or produce them. A tarrif (tax) on imports is added to the cost of the item and is paid by the buyer. This added cost is absorbed by companies in the delivery chain and/or passed on to the final consumer. Increasing sales requires increased demand. Jobs provide consumers with $$$ to buy the goods. When wages fail to rise in line with increased costs of goods or services, demand goes down. One way to jumpstart this process is to increase wages. Another way is with government welfare.

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Jun 8, 2019 19:43:41   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Airforceone wrote:
Defense budget is used to be a deterrent what the hell is wrong with you making a dumb statement like that. When have thousands of nuclear weapons and it only 5 to wipe out the world. Why do we keep making them. So what your saying either our way or the highway. How about taxing our manufacturers that move out of this country instead the POS in the White House gave them a 19% tax cut and kept all the loopholes in place.

Yes stimulate the economy by sales to other countries yes but that dumb SOB in the White wants to use tariffs and all that does is raise our cost of goods . Trumps GD Tariffs is nothing but a tax on the American people. China doesn’t pay the taxes the cost of goods goes up and the American consumer pays the increase which causes inflation to go up. That dumb SOB in the White House doesn’t Understand that and either do you
Defense budget is used to be a deterrent what the... (show quote)



You just flunked Econ 101.

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