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Jun 5, 2019 17:32:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
The law wasn't on your side, if it had come down to a fight and police came, you would have been headed to jail WITH the other guy or INSTEAD of him, dependent on how the cops viewed the situation when they arrived.
We had the law entirely on our side. The barkeep wanted the guy out of there. We escorted him out and followed him to make sure he'd leave. Had we known that he had a gun in his car. we would have acted differently.

When the cops did show up, we explained the situation to them, gave them his license plate number, and they took note of it and left.

Like I said, we were not armed, and if the guy had actually started shooting, who do you think the cops would want in handcuffs?

Bottom line, everything was copacetic.

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Jun 5, 2019 17:54:18   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
We had the law entirely on our side. The barkeep wanted the guy out of there. We escorted him out and followed him to make sure he'd leave. Had we known that he had a gun in his car. we would have acted differently.

When the cops did show up, we explained the situation to them, gave them his license plate number, and they took note of it and left.

Like I said, we were not armed, and if the guy had actually started shooting, who do you think the cops would want in handcuffs?

Bottom line, everything was copacetic.
We had the law entirely on our side. The barkeep w... (show quote)


I was referring to a fist fight, had a fist fight erupted from your actions, the police would have rounded you up as well as him unless they ended up viewing him as the victim, then it would have only been you and your crew taken in. Like you said, you didn't know he had a gun in the car, he may not have but that wouldn't necessarily mean the situation couldn't have gotten out of hand all the same.

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Jun 5, 2019 18:12:13   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not dumb luck, knowing how to handle situations comes in more handy than weapons the majority of the time, there may be a few, VERY rare few times that wouldn't be the case perhaps, just so rare that it wouldn't even be worth mentioning. As for your claim that I have never helped others, that just shows your own ignorance yet again, I HAVE helped others, sometimes I knew them, sometimes I didn't. It is ALWAYS better to judge the situation BEFORE acting and determine the best way to handle the situation. There are times that things escalate too quickly and action must be taken prematurely, those tend to be much harder to handle but as yet, I have NEVER needed a weapon to handle ANY of the situations.
Not dumb luck, knowing how to handle situations co... (show quote)


Lol. You can convince the person in the mirror of anything you want.

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Jun 5, 2019 19:20:49   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not dumb luck, knowing how to handle situations comes in more handy than weapons the majority of the time, there may be a few, VERY rare few times that wouldn't be the case perhaps, just so rare that it wouldn't even be worth mentioning. As for your claim that I have never helped others, that just shows your own ignorance yet again, I HAVE helped others, sometimes I knew them, sometimes I didn't. It is ALWAYS better to judge the situation BEFORE acting and determine the best way to handle the situation. There are times that things escalate too quickly and action must be taken prematurely, those tend to be much harder to handle but as yet, I have NEVER needed a weapon to handle ANY of the situations.
Not dumb luck, knowing how to handle situations co... (show quote)


Depends on the situation. What’s the chance of a disgruntled worker coming in and randomly k*****g a bunch of people? Just happened, right? I imagine the people that were k**led felt just like you. Might have been nice if one or more were armed and proficient. Probably had gone their entire lives without ever needing a gun. One other thing: People, especially younger have much more access to drugs, negative influence of the internet and all types of violent content. They’ve almost become immune to violence and don’t now how to take an insult. Hope you never need a gun. I sincerely mean that.

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Jun 5, 2019 19:39:59   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I was referring to a fist fight, had a fist fight erupted from your actions, the police would have rounded you up as well as him unless they ended up viewing him as the victim, then it would have only been you and your crew taken in. Like you said, you didn't know he had a gun in the car, he may not have but that wouldn't necessarily mean the situation couldn't have gotten out of hand all the same.
Would have, could have, what if? You are making up "If" scenarios. Lots of "what ifs" floating around.

The only "what if" we're talking about is, what if you are in a shopping mall or a church or a school or at home and a deranged SOB with a gun comes in and starts shooting people?

I'm one of those who prefers being trained and equipped to stop him. Therefore I am trained and equipped for just such a "what if".

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Jun 5, 2019 20:06:31   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Would have, could have, what if? You are making up "If" scenarios. Lots of "what ifs" floating around.

The only "what if" we're talking about is, what if you are in a shopping mall or a church or a school or at home and a deranged SOB with a gun comes in and starts shooting people?

I'm one of those who prefers being trained and equipped to stop him. Therefore I am trained and equipped for just such a "what if".


You know Blade these sanctimonious liberals k**l me. I got no problem with his right to not carry a gun. Fine by me; but somehow if we do, and are licensed and trained we're scared. I actually believe if I ever stop a bad guy with my gun it will probably be a situation where I am not the target. Never think of being worried or scared. Hell half the time I hardly remember it's on my side.

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Jun 5, 2019 21:07:45   #
EmilyD
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
How many here can HONESTLY say that they have been held at gunpoint by anyone OTHER than law enforcement? This world is just such a dangerous place that one can't walk anywhere without some form of protection yet the majority of us DO just that and how many problems have we had in so doing? It would seem that in this instance at least, you make a very valid point, perhaps some people DO need to seek mental health professionals to deal with their out of control paranoia and fear issues.

When we heard noises at our back door late one night that sounded like someone was trying to break in, my husband with his Glock 18 9mm, and me with my 30SF .45 ACP quickly opened the door and pointed our guns at the guy and asked him "Do you really want to do this?" He bolted almost as fast as a speeding bullet.

If you heard someone sneaking up the stairs to your bedroom, what are you going to do...throw a pillow at him?

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Jun 5, 2019 21:10:32   #
Rose42
 
EmilyD wrote:
When we heard noises at our back door late one night that sounded like someone was trying to break in, my husband with his Glock 18 9mm, and me with my 30SF .45 ACP quickly opened the door and pointed our guns at the guy and asked him "Do you really want to do this?" He bolted almost as fast as a speeding bullet.

If you heard someone sneaking up the stairs to your bedroom, what are you going to do...throw a pillow at him?


He’d ask the bad guy to wait while he googled for an answer. Lol

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Jun 5, 2019 21:48:42   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
Lol. You can convince the person in the mirror of anything you want.


One shouldn't need to be convinced of the t***h, though I have found that some people DO need to be convinced of the t***h. What I find strange is this, why do some people so readily accept conspiracy theories that are so blatantly false, but have trouble believing in facts? IF and when you return to reality, perhaps you can explain it to me.

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Jun 5, 2019 21:56:55   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
One shouldn't need to be convinced of the t***h, though I have found that some people DO need to be convinced of the t***h. What I find strange is this, why do some people so readily accept conspiracy theories that are so blatantly false, but have trouble believing in facts? IF and when you return to reality, perhaps you can explain it to me.


What I find strange is how you carry on and on and on and on trying to futilely prove you’re smarter than everyone when you’re nothing but another guy with an opinion - often not as informed as you think.

Lighten up and happy googling. Lol

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Jun 5, 2019 23:21:37   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
EmilyD wrote:
When we heard noises at our back door late one night that sounded like someone was trying to break in, my husband with his Glock 18 9mm, and me with my 30SF .45 ACP quickly opened the door and pointed our guns at the guy and asked him "Do you really want to do this?" He bolted almost as fast as a speeding bullet.

If you heard someone sneaking up the stairs to your bedroom, what are you going to do...throw a pillow at him?


Most home invasion intruders will take off even if you don't have a weapon, unless perhaps if you look real frail and they are desperate. In fact, if you DO brandish a weapon, the situation is more likely to escalate. Home invasions are quite rare and MOST of them occur when NOBODY is home, in the rare cases where someone IS home, very few result in someone from the home being violently victimized.

U.S. DOJ wrote:
An estimated 3.7 million household
burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007. In about
28% of these burglaries, a household member
was present during the burglary. In 7% of all
household burglaries, a household member
experienced some form of violent victimization
(figure 1).

These estimates of burglary are based on a
revised definition of burglary from the standard
classification in the National Crime
Victimization Survey (NCVS). Historically,
burglary is classified as a property crime except
when someone is home during the burglary and
a household member is attacked or threatened.
When someone is home during a burglary and
experiences violence, NCVS classification rules
categorize the victimization as a personal (rape/
sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and
simple assault) rather than a property crime
(household burglary, theft, and motor vehicle
theft). In this report, the definition of household
burglary includes burglaries in which a
household member was a victim of a violent
crime (see Methodology)

Highlights
• An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.
• A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.
• Simple assault (15%) was the most common form of violence
when a resident was home and violence occurred. Robbery
(7%) and rape (3%) were less likely to occur when a household
member was present and violence occurred.
• Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent burglaries; offenders were strangers in 28%.
• Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence
occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About
12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was
home faced an offender armed with a firearm.
• Households residing in single family units and higher density
structures of 10 or more units were least likely to be burglarized
(8 per 1,000 households) while a household member was present.
• Serious injury accounted for 9% and minor injury accounted
for 36% of injuries sustained by household members who were
home and experienced violence during a completed burglary.
An estimated 3.7 million household br burglaries o... (show quote)


Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf

The facts DO NOT support your position. There are other interesting facts you should consider as well.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home/ (Very informative)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1559827610396294 (For those with EXTREMELY short attention spans)

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/ (Lots of information in "short attention span" appropriate "blurbs", some irrelevant to the subject matter, most relevant though)

https://www.safewise.com/blog/8-surprising-home-burglary-statistics/ (short but sweet)


I think I will continue taking my chances, which is not to say that I DON'T have guns, and other weapons/make do weapons, such as baseball bats and other things in the home. Just that since I have yet to be invaded while home, or while not home for that matter, I will continue to NOT be paranoid and since brandishing a weapon tends to cause escalation, I will avoid brandishing such a dangerous one as a gun. Most home invaders prefer to "invade" when nobody is home and if you make your presence known, they are likely to leave without confrontation. I know, that isn't what you wanted to hear, but it is fact.

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Jun 5, 2019 23:25:45   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf

The facts DO NOT support your position. There are other interesting facts you should consider as well.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home/ (Very informative)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1559827610396294 (For those with EXTREMELY short attention spans)

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/ (Lots of information in "short attention span" appropriate "blurbs", some irrelevant to the subject matter, most relevant though)

https://www.safewise.com/blog/8-surprising-home-burglary-statistics/ (short but sweet)


I think I will continue taking my chances, which is not to say that I DON'T have guns, and other weapons/make do weapons, such as baseball bats and other things in the home. Just that since I have yet to be invaded while home, or while not home for that matter, I will continue to NOT be paranoid and since brandishing a weapon tends to cause escalation, I will avoid brandishing such a dangerous one as a gun. Most home invaders prefer to "invade" when nobody is home and if you make your presence known, they are likely to leave without confrontation. I know, that isn't what you wanted to hear, but it is fact.
Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.p... (show quote)


Well you’re right finally about one thing. If I had my gun it would escalate and quick. I’d shoot the intruder in a heart beat and wonder later if he’d have run off.

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Jun 6, 2019 00:11:11   #
EmilyD
 
Rose42 wrote:
He’d ask the bad guy to wait while he googled for an answer. Lol

Sounds about right.
And then he's dead and his whole family.
I don't understand why they don't get this.

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Jun 6, 2019 00:16:35   #
EmilyD
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf

The facts DO NOT support your position. There are other interesting facts you should consider as well.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home/ (Very informative)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1559827610396294 (For those with EXTREMELY short attention spans)

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/ (Lots of information in "short attention span" appropriate "blurbs", some irrelevant to the subject matter, most relevant though)

https://www.safewise.com/blog/8-surprising-home-burglary-statistics/ (short but sweet)


I think I will continue taking my chances, which is not to say that I DON'T have guns, and other weapons/make do weapons, such as baseball bats and other things in the home. Just that since I have yet to be invaded while home, or while not home for that matter, I will continue to NOT be paranoid and since brandishing a weapon tends to cause escalation, I will avoid brandishing such a dangerous one as a gun. Most home invaders prefer to "invade" when nobody is home and if you make your presence known, they are likely to leave without confrontation. I know, that isn't what you wanted to hear, but it is fact.
Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.p... (show quote)


After all this...you say DON't have guns?????
Wow.
Common Sense Matters. You need to re-think your position on a many levels. You don't make sense.

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Jun 6, 2019 00:46:02   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
EmilyD wrote:
After all this...you say DON't have guns?????
Wow.
Common Sense Matters. You need to re-think your position on a many levels. You don't make sense.


Your reading comprehension leaves MUCH to be desired, perhaps you should take an adult reading course. The line you obviously misunderstood is quite plain and simple to understand, "which is not to say that I DON'T have guns" yet you still failed to understand it.



Edit: Which is not to say that I would brandish one during the unlikely event of a home invasion.

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