JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I’ve always thought saying healthcare was a human right is a crock. Healthcare encompasses so many different aspects of ones life how can anyone else have a right to someone else’s labor or money? This is the best reason I’ve found why healthcare isn’t a human right.

http://libertarianstandard.com/articles/gabriel-e-vidal/healthcare-is-not-a-human-right/

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Even in primitive societies health care is given to the people of the tribe. Can you look a suffering child in the face and say your pain is not my problem? Are broken bones meant to be un mended and open wounds meant to fester? There is all kinds of pain in this world and nobody rich or poor is immune. If we give no mercy to the indigent do we deserve mercy ourselves? Is it moral to be cruel and turn away the stricken with no money? Is money more important that human beings? Are there lesser children of God? I want to know.

Gatsby

"Free Stuff" is NOT a human right!

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

No, providing health care to everyone, no matter whether or not they have worked for it is not an obligation of other people, therefore you do not have the right to demand that I care for you just because you want it. that goes for providing food and clothing too. To say it is your right is to say that you have a right to make me a s***e long enough to provide to your health needs, which would include good food, clean clothing, healthful water and what ever else you believe is necessary for good health is to say that I must be your s***e for part of my life. In tribal societies, each person helps the others because the entire tribe (all 30 to 50 people in the tribe) depends on all to feed and protect each other or the tribe will perish. However, tribes tend to throw the useless members out as sacrifice to the lions, because to maintain them would weaken the tribe to the point of making them vulnurable to attacks by other tribes..It is my responsibility to care for my family and to encourage others to do the same. If I wish to assist several other people who I think are worthy f my time and sacrifice that is my business, and I do so willingly. To demand that I take care of the druggies down the block so that they can stay stoned and not have to take care of themselves is absurdity.

Iliamna1

That's what insurance is for . . . IF you can afford it and the co-pay. The insurance company is betting you're going to stay healthy and un-injured, and you're betting you won't and you're both hoping the insurance company wins this bet. Now getting to the 'free stuff... There is no way a society can stay healthy and at least make certain basics available to those who can't afford to pay for their care out-right or afford insurance. We would still be dealing with small pox if not for extensive v******ting of the whole world. Polio also comes to mind as do other contagious childhood diseases. And every year there are flu outbreaks. The losses in lost wages and production are astronomical. It's simply cheaper to v******te a large portion of the population. While I am not a socialist, this is one expense I am glad to take on as a tax-payer. Also, there's the CHIPs program, which is a Medicare program to provide low-cost coverage for low income families. And there are many PRIVATE charitable organizations that will help families needing healthcare. Several years ago a friend of mine, who had been unemployed for several years needed an umbilical hernia repair and one of the surgeons working with a Catholic organization did the surgery and the organization paid for the other costs. As a result, he was able to lift again and got a job. Some places will work with family and friends in exchange for working off the cost of care. There are also free clinics. I used to volunteer at one on Austin, Texas twenty years ago. There were some really good doctors there, including some specialists. Most large cities have these. There are options.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It is still not a human right. It may be the right thing to do but you do not have a right to force me to supply your healthcare. If I was responsible for someone’s healthcare I should be able to make them eat right, exercise, basically run their life. Since I am a Christian I believe in helping the less fortunate. Not because I’m being ordered to but because it’s the right thing. My personal example Tom: my wife and I under the affordable care act rules in Florida pay $16,000 out of pocket. Premium is $1600.00/month. Why? Because I am forced to pay for others before I can use my own. Where’s my rights?

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I and my family have very good healthcare and I don't resent my tax dollars going to treat little children and the weak and disabled. I agree that there are dregs in our society who are dispicable for the things they do. I am guilty myself of un Christian toughts toward them. As an American I want to belive that all Human Beings within our shores shall be treated with dignity.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Yours is an example of why universal healthcare is necessary. It is a matter of priorities. I am certain you would live a lot better with $1600 a month that was yours to spend or save as you wish.

badbob85037

To all your question humanity says you already got your answers.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Universal healthcare in a country this size will ruin us. How in the world would you pay for Medicare for all? Which is what universal care would be. The Affordable Care Act is the closest thing to universal care we’ve ever had. Before it came along my out of pocket was $3000 and premium $350 a month. I believe there are ways for states to bring costs down dramatically through capitalism and large group pools. It’s complicated but what we have now doesn’t work.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Just because someone doesn’t think healthcare is a human right doesn’t mean they resent their tax dollars going to treat little children.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You gotta be kidding? How many Americans are heading for Canada or Europe for special treatment or elective surgery? Waiting times and costs are rising rapidly in countries with socialized healthcare.

PeterS

So your argument is that you can pursue life, liberty, and happiness when you aren't healthy?

I just so love how the little conservative mind works...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You’re so dumb troll. Pursue all you want. You shouldn’t be allowed to force someone else to pursue it for you. People are healthy and Un-healthy whether you say it’s a human right or not. Guess you didn’t read the article. Shocker there. Since I know you’re a lying troll.

PeterS

You really do make it easy Blade you really do. https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/17/14-Million-Americans-Will-Go-Abroad-Medical-Care-Year-Should-You.

Do you ever think of getting your information in other places than Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and 100% vetted Conservative sources?