Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I'm taking your "Amen and amen" as being in agreement with the second statement

Rose42

Based on your "No" answer to the following question your claim to Christianity is dubious at best. This is elemental. Not *my* understanding. God's word. Look it up. You need to hear this.

"Do you believe Christ paid the penalty for our sins by incurring God’s wrath on the cross and rose on the third day?"
No...

Your "No" answer to the following question doesn't even make sense. Even the demons know he is Lord and they tremble. In Matthew 8:29 demons say to him “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”

Your insistence on increasing your knowledge of evil - false teaching - plays right into Satan's hands. It is by knowing the word that we arm ourselves. You are unarmed.

"Is he Lord over all aspects of your life?"
I am a sinner... No...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And my explanation concerning my answers was...... ?

I did give you one...
Be honest in your posting of my statements...

Rose42

Do your Noes not mean No? These are your answers. There is no explanation or *understanding* that can wiggle you out of denying Christ. You need to come face to face with what you're doing and stop deceiving yourself.

To your denial that Christ paid the penalty for our sins by incurring God's wrath on the cross and rose again on the third day you claimed -

"I have explained this conundrum on another thread..."

First, its not a conundrum in any way. I challenge you to use God's word and prove it. You won't be able to. Even Satan knows this truth.

This was your comment after your No that he's not Lord over all aspects of your life. This statement is vanity. It is that vanity that keeps you from having Christ Lord over your life.

"I fall far short of my own aspirations... As such he (Christ) is not lord over all aspects of my life..."

You need sound teachers. And you need to heed the warning to test yourself

2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I in no way deny Christ...



No... I stated that your premise is wrong... Hence the conundrum...



Are you even aware of what the conundrum is?



That is quite true....
Simply claiming he is Lord would not make it so... One must be willing to accept the responsibilities such a claim entails...



Your reliance on others is disturbing... Especially as you seem to seek out only those who affirm your own beliefs ...



I test myself constantly...
All of the questions I ask of others I have answered for myself already...
It is not vanity, but humility that Leads me to seek the understandings of others..

Rose42

There isn’t one. But you are welcome to try and explain it.




Your post is nonsense Thinking you can glean all biblical truths on your own is sheer arrogance and of course there is a biblical answer for that. Read about the Ethiopian Eunuch’s encounter with Philipp in Acts 8:26-40. Read and understand what *God’s Word* has to say.

Humility would lead you to teachers who would challenge your denial of Christ and other false beliefs. You haven’t been humbled yet which happens to all who are saved. You wouldn’t go to a gradeschooler to learn calculus yet that is the equivalent of your approach

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Actually I taught myself calculus in highschool... Most of the maths and sciences I was able to make faster progress on my own...

I did show up to class for labs and tests...

I apologize if I gave you the impression that I have never read/researched the works of others... I do enjoy it... But I don't blindly rely on any of them...

No individual can fully comprehend all that has been stated in the Bible... That is why we have division amongst ourselves...

If you haven't noticed I quite enjoy being challenged ... Why else engage with those who think differently?

It is only dismissiveness or logical fallacies that I find distasteful... And ignorance of course... "One must believe before one can understand" is an example of all three...

Rose42

Yeah, sure you did.



But I do? Lol I don’t buy it because you’ve never given any indication you have.



Thats a cop out answer. Among different Christian denominations there is agreement on what it means to follow Christ, the triune nature of God and the doctrine of salvation which you deny. There’s no quibbling there



What you enjoy is trying to poke hole in the truth for whatever reason and can’t back up anything with God’s word.



Thats an example of what I’m talking about. You claim to believe but demonstrate just the opposite with so many comments. Unless you know the subject matter - which you obviously don’t - you won’t know what a logical fallacy is. I’ve seen you wrongly use that numerous times.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Believe what you will ..
I once greatly loved the worlds of physics, chemistry and math... There is great beauty in the perfection of numbers...



I was not accusing you of anything...
Do you not consider my posting of my friend's counter-argument to Tommy as such?
And I quite love the thread that Zemirah has just started....

Is it truly necessary for me to provide a list or a thread for what I research?
I have considered it.... Rumi and Bahmer both provide interesting threads...
I will consider it...



There are denominations that deny the Trinity...
You're working off of the assumption that only those denominations that believe as you do are Christians...
The Catholic Church accepts all you have stated above, but you deny them the title Christian....



I do point out faulty reasoning... And require that individuals support their statements...



I have backed up my statements whenever asked... If I have resorted to a fallacy please provide proof...

Rose42

Yet another example of not knowing the fundamentals of Christianity. There are no doctrinally sound churches that deny the trinity. Not a one. Its Gods word that reveals it. Its not “many are called many are chosen”. Its many are called FEW are chosen. There’s no spinning that away.

And yet again its the bible that reveals Catholicism to not be Christian. Its got nothing to do with me. You could easily reasearch the whys but you won’t. Its very straightforward.



No you haven’t. Especially where Christianity and islam are concerned. But you consistently demand proof from others.

Its never too late to be saved. One day you’ll hopefully know what that means

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Thanks Rose...

I work hard to avoid fallacies...

And thanks for the sentiment...
I know it comes from a good place