In the earnest desire for t***h it is a no matter what it costs attitude that Christ's demands. We look deeply even if we h**e it.
May 28, 2019 09:46:29 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I would point out that Tommy also firmly refuted this argument on the other thread..
Though it is doubtful that you bothered to read his refutation...
Though it is doubtful that you bothered to read his refutation...
I did find his babble on it. Your opinion he refuted anything.
No I don’t pay too much attention to his rambling posts.
May 28, 2019 09:50:45 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Which disciple declared Christ God?
Which Scripture was it that Christ stated he was God?
When did Paul state that Christ wad God?
Which Scripture was it that Christ stated he was God?
When did Paul state that Christ wad God?
Read John 1.
May 28, 2019 19:26:30 #
Rose42 wrote:
How would you begin to know this? Do you know what it means to be saved? Have you been so broken over yours sin that you cry out to Christ for help? Unless you have how could you know the first thing about how anyone has questioned or came to have a relationship with Christ? Do you even know what that means?
Perhaps you would be more comfortable if I were to say that so few individuals ever attempt to question their faith?
You seem to base your faith more on feeling than on logic.... If that works for you, fine... Some of us prefer to dwelve into the intricacies of our faith...
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Some of you treat God’s word as nothing more than a game of mental gymnastics. Sad.
And some individuals treat God's word as a personal sounding board to prop up their own beliefs... Regardless of their inability to justify those beliefs based on God's words... SadX2...
May 28, 2019 19:28:39 #
Rose42 wrote:
I did find his babble on it. Your opinion he refuted anything.
No I don’t pay too much attention to his rambling posts.
No I don’t pay too much attention to his rambling posts.
Does it bother you much that others can support their beliefs with Scripture while you are stuck with repeating the same lame deflections whenever challenged?
May 28, 2019 19:32:45 #
May 28, 2019 19:45:41 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Perhaps you would be more comfortable if I were to say that so few individuals ever attempt to question their faith?
You seem to base your faith more on feeling than on logic.... If that works for you, fine... Some of us prefer to dwelve into the intricacies of our faith...
You seem to base your faith more on feeling than on logic.... If that works for you, fine... Some of us prefer to dwelve into the intricacies of our faith...
You have no idea who questions and what they wrestle with. Yet here you are yet again avoiding the questions of repentance That is an answer.
May 28, 2019 19:51:17 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Just did...
And?
And?
The “Word” is Christ.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and t***h.
May 28, 2019 21:32:07 #
Rose42 wrote:
The “Word” is Christ.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and t***h.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and t***h.
Ah..You are making the argument that the Word is a seperate entity...
I understand it to be the Power of God...
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and t***h.
The Word "was made"... This would indicate an outside power (God) working on it... Not an act of 'self'...
Further look at the usage of the verb "begotten" Which would indicate a beginning... Does that which is eternal have a beginning?
The Word is the power of God... Eternal as He is... Christ is an expression of that power...
Query: Is the Word mentioned anywhere in the Bible not in connection with Christ?
Edit: This represents my understanding...
May 28, 2019 21:33:59 #
Rose42 wrote:
You have no idea who questions and what they wrestle with. Yet here you are yet again avoiding the questions of repentance That is an answer.
Correct... I base my observations on the aversion to questioning faith that so many "faithful" demonstrate..
Beg your pardon... What question was asked that I avoided? Have reread the thread and did not see it...
May 28, 2019 21:50:28 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ah..You are making the argument that the Word is a... (show quote)
The points you make, to any logical mind, are hard, being kind, to refute. If the Word was "made" and "begotten," it naturally speaks against being eternal. Love to see the response.
May 28, 2019 22:28:45 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ah..You are making the argument that the Word is a seperate entity...
I understand it to be the Power of God...
I understand it to be the Power of God...
What are you basing that on? And no I’m not making that argument. They are one.
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The Word "was made"... This would indicate an outside power (God) working on it... Not an act of 'self'...
This is where the triune nature of God comes in. He was born of a virgin. Thats what its refrring to.
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard e******y with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Phil 2:5-8
In Revelation John sees Christ coming on a white horse
"He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God" Rev. 19:13
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Further look at the usage of the verb "begotten" Which would indicate a beginning... Does that which is eternal have a beginning?
His existence as a man had a beginning. Thats all it means.
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The Word is the power of God... Eternal as He is... Christ is an expression of that power...
No. Christ is that power not simply an expression. They are one
"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" 1 Cor. 1:18
"But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God . . ." 1 Cor. 1:23-24
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Query: Is the Word mentioned anywhere in the Bible not in connection with Christ?
I don’t know. But its not relevant to Him not being the Word in John 1
There are studies for this topic.
May 28, 2019 23:35:51 #
Rose42 wrote:
I don’t know. But its not relevant to Him not being the Word in John 1
There are studies for this topic.
There are studies for this topic.
Apologies Rose....
I Just returned to this thread...
Gratitude for your response... I am ashamed to say that I predicted you would simply deflect from my response rather than responding in kind...
This reflects poorly on me and I ask your forgiveness for my poor judgement...
I am on my way to lunch but will respond this evening...
Thanks again
Your friend, Kyle
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