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Trump's grotesque and insulting Memorial Day debacle: Honoring war criminals with pardons
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May 25, 2019 12:55:15   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Really? What are my beliefs?


Lucifers guiding hand!! You are wishy washy to the point, that you have no point.

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May 25, 2019 13:01:38   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Blade, what you appear to have overlooked it is not my outrage that promoted this thread but that of a general and enlisted men. I agree and find it in keeping with Trump's base character. No hatred for the man but for what his actions have done to the image and outlook of this nation. On a day we are to remember those who served and gave the ultimate sacrifice for freedom with honor and by a code, Trump seems to want memorialize those who disgraced the uniform and f**g. You find that appropriate? You don't see that as perverse?
Blade, what you appear to have overlooked it is no... (show quote)


No, it is your outrage over Trump that promoted the thread. Nothing else. It oozes from your posts the way it oozed from people who intensely disliked Obama. You look for negative things to post about him though they aren't hard to find. lol

I'm not excusing pardoning all of these men though the circumstances of some do look highly questionable. Urinating on a corpse is hardly a reason for prosecution. Yet you jump right on all of them without looking further into them. Its dishonest on your part.

Its easy for people to talk about honor and a code when they've never been in the thick of it.

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May 25, 2019 13:34:11   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Lucifers guiding hand!! You are wishy washy to the point, that you have no point.


An example, please.

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May 25, 2019 13:40:12   #
son of witless
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
And look at the world through your eyes? I don't think so.


What exactly would you have to shoot into your eyeballs to be able to do that ? Heroin, LSD, Morphine, Pot Smoke, or Crack ?

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May 25, 2019 13:58:00   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
No, it is your outrage over Trump that promoted the thread. Nothing else. It oozes from your posts the way it oozed from people who intensely disliked Obama. You look for negative things to post about him though they aren't hard to find. lol

I'm not excusing pardoning all of these men though the circumstances of some do look highly questionable. Urinating on a corpse is hardly a reason for prosecution. Yet you jump right on all of them without looking further into them. Its dishonest on your part.

Its easy for people to talk about honor and a code when they've never been in the thick of it.
No, it is your outrage over Trump that promoted th... (show quote)


You cannot be serious. One does not have to make an effort to look for "negative things to post about him," as you note. Trump exhibits outrageously bad behavior and as our president it is inexcusable: should he not be held accountable?

Yes, it is my outrage--shared with a general and enlisted men who served honorably. Look at the Stripes article. Try to grasp how truly demeaning it is to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our nation's freedom to share Memorial Day with those that may have disgraced the uniform and f**g. Why can't you get how "outrageous" that is?

And are you saying I have no right to object because I have "never been in the thick of it"? Do you object to child abusers? Serial k**lers? Wife beaters? How did you gain that right? Besides that, you don't know my life or me. To suggest no one can come forward to object against h**e or injustice unless inducted in a club of "thick of it" is absurd.

But to this part I admit: I did not look into the individual cases...which was not in the least needed. No matter their guilt or innocence, some of which still needs to be determined. It is the nature of who Trump looks to pardon on Memorial Day that is the issue. And the men in uniform object at the "outrage."

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May 25, 2019 14:08:13   #
Lonewolf
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Where do you get this 'better than thou' stuff from rumi….??? Do you know anything about "War Criminals"...??? What defines a war criminal in your depraved little mind..??

The wars we fight now are not like WWII or WWI, or even the Vietnam War.

The enemy could be anybody. Maybe one of our servicemen shot up some locals. Maybe he shot up some children taking out the perceived enemy. In the present day fighting the Taliban, Al-Queda, or radical Islam there is no way to know who the enemy may be. Get off your intellectual 'better than thou' stool. I don't recall ANYBODY stating what these servicemen or women were accused of.

War isn't pretty butthead. Get used to it, or maybe get out of your little fantasy bubble. Did you consider that maybe.... just maybe... Trump has been briefed on extenuating circumstances, that maybe an otherwise outstanding military service was tainted by a bad choice one time, and maybe.....just maybe, Trump and some of the military advisors feel that the particular service member should be pardoned.

I don't see where its your call, where its your decision to make accusations, or its your decision to decide whether or not the country is worse of for it.

Maybe we should say the country is worse off just because you're here and post on OPP....

Maybe we should point out the level of self-righteousness you have. Who are you to judge ANYBODY who has been to war..??
Where do you get this 'better than thou' stuff fro... (show quote)


Bush and Chaney are war criminals and should of been hanged for all the deaths they caused just do Chaney and Halliburton could make billions!
Who do you think built Iran's nuclear power plants.

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May 25, 2019 14:35:01   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
permafrost wrote:
Wow, once more you never bothered to find out what the charges are on some of these people..

Murder of civilians is included..

we do have rules of war, as dumb as that seems..

If we as a Nation do not live up to the standards we proclaim for ourselves, then how can we ever hope to again recover and become the world leader we had been for generations..

Of all people on earth, trump must be the least qualified to judge any behavior by any person in the military..

If a military court find anyone guilty of a war crime, you can bet your farm that they are indeed very very guilty..


https://qz.com/1625838/us-veterans-are-disgusted-that-trump-may-pardon-edward-gallagher/

DIME THE PRESIDENT
US veterans are disgusted by Trump’s sympathy for accused war criminals
By Ephrat LivniMay 23, 2019

All is not fair in war. There are laws that military members must follow and courts that enforce these rules. Nonetheless, ahead of Memorial Day on May 27, US president Donald Trump is reportedly considering pardons for American servicemen accused or convicted of war crimes, including civilian murders.

Many veterans, acutely aware of the fact that Trump is not one of them, are incensed by the reports. “He is a serial draft evader who wants to play general,” Gary Solis, a former military judge and prosecutor, Marine, and Vietnam war veteran, tells Quartz. “This just exhibits the president’s ignorance.”
Wow, once more you never bothered to find out what... (show quote)


Just tell all the ignorant fools that the U.S. DID sign the Geneva Conventions stating that "We the People" of the U.S. WILL comply with those conventions as ALL should do but those who are not signatories on those documents can hardly be held to their rules. We DID sign so we MUST abide by them.

Read https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/geneva_Conventions and understand what we have signed on to uphold before justifying war crimes committed by a few of our soldiers. Our own military justice system found them to be guilty of WAR CRIMES, petty offences of our UCMJ are one thing, major offences such as war crimes are an entirely different matter all together.

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May 25, 2019 14:38:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Blade, what you appear to have overlooked it is not my outrage that promoted this thread but that of a general and enlisted men. I agree and find it in keeping with Trump's base character. No hatred for the man but for what his actions have done to the image and outlook of this nation. On a day we are to remember those who served and gave the ultimate sacrifice for freedom with honor and by a code, Trump seems to want memorialize those who disgraced the uniform and f**g. You find that appropriate? You don't see that as perverse?
Blade, what you appear to have overlooked it is no... (show quote)
Former generals, former prosecutors, former porn stars, former this and former that. It doesn't matter what President Trump does, what decisions he makes, the left will always exploit the protestors and ignore those who agree with him. And, if the left cannot pin down a specific charge against him, they will make s**t up.

The fact is that so far Lt. Behenna is the only one who Trump has pardoned, and under the circumstances in Behenna's case, I see no problem, he k**led a violent Iraqi prisoner. (Definitely not the first time in our history that has happened.) Pardons for the others are still on the table, none of them have yet been pardoned and most likely will not be.

From the moment Trump declared his candidacy, the liberal progressive political tactic has always been to accuse him of things he hasn't done and may never do. All president Trump has to do is talk about doing something, or consider doing something, and the left will assume he is already guilty of doing it.

Not every veteran agrees with the protestors.

Joseph Dougherty, who wrote to The World from Calais, Maine, suggested pardons would be appropriate and that the rules of modern warfare have changed.

"The forces of evil that we are combating do not abide by any Geneva conventions or other traditional rules of warfare and it makes fighting them exceptionally difficult. They use human shields and hide in the civilian population, so a******l methods are sometimes necessary to roust them out and eliminate them or gather the necessary intelligence to disrupt their activities. The face of modern warfare has changed substantially, and the techniques used to fight it must change as well."

Brad Gilbert from Lewiston, Idaho, suggested that when you're in a warzone a soldier's mental health may be c*********d. "I, for one, am a loving individual but when at war, I could be a stone-cold k**ler," Gilbert wrote. "Rehabilitation should be the focus, not incarceration, just letting them free should not be an option. Give the soldier a chance to regain their dignity. At the same time, the family of war crime victims should be offered mental health services as well as wh**ever is culturally appropriate, i.e. death benefits."

"I say review the crimes and apply reasonable standards," wrote Scott Walker, of Asheboro, North Carolina. "The previous administration was too strict and had too broad a view of war crimes. We send men into harm's way and they need to have latitude and tools to get the job done. Compare[d] to policemen and women who are exonerated for what seems to be police brutality, in reality, is a man or woman trying to survive a shift on the beat. Our troops should get the same or more latitude."


The big question is, who is going to pardon all the liberal progressives for the crimes they have committed and are continuing to commit against our Constitution and the rule of law?

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May 25, 2019 15:02:45   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
You cannot be serious. One does not have to make an effort to look for "negative things to post about him," as you note. Trump exhibits outrageously bad behavior and as our president it is inexcusable: should he not be held accountable?

Yes, it is my outrage--shared with a general and enlisted men who served honorably. Look at the Stripes article. Try to grasp how truly demeaning it is to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our nation's freedom to share Memorial Day with those that may have disgraced the uniform and f**g. Why can't you get how "outrageous" that is?

And are you saying I have no right to object because I have "never been in the thick of it"? Do you object to child abusers? Serial k**lers? Wife beaters? How did you gain that right? Besides that, you don't know my life or me. To suggest no one can come forward to object against h**e or injustice unless inducted in a club of "thick of it" is absurd.

But to this part I admit: I did not look into the individual cases...which was not in the least needed. No matter their guilt or innocence, some of which still needs to be determined. It is the nature of who Trump looks to pardon on Memorial Day that is the issue. And the men in uniform object at the "outrage."
You cannot be serious. One does not have to make a... (show quote)


Don't be silly. I didn't say you couldn't object. But you're on the guilty until proven innocent road. Why don't you need to look into the individual cases? Because you liked what a general said? Thats intellectually dishonest on your part.

Not all men in uniform agree on everything. I'm s**k of people using the military for their own selfish purposes. The individuals never matter.

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May 25, 2019 15:21:23   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Former generals, former prosecutors, former porn stars, former this and former that. It doesn't matter what President Trump does, what decisions he makes, the left will always exploit the protestors and ignore those who agree with him. And, if the left cannot pin down a specific charge against him, they will make s**t up.

The fact is that so far Lt. Behenna is the only one who Trump has pardoned, and under the circumstances in Behenna's case, I see no problem, he k**led a violent Iraqi prisoner. (Definitely not the first time in our history that has happened.) Pardons for the others are still on the table, none of them have yet been pardoned and most likely will not be.

From the moment Trump declared his candidacy, the liberal progressive political tactic has always been to accuse him of things he hasn't done and may never do. All president Trump has to do is talk about doing something, or consider doing something, and the left will assume he is already guilty of doing it.

Not every veteran agrees with the protestors.

Joseph Dougherty, who wrote to The World from Calais, Maine, suggested pardons would be appropriate and that the rules of modern warfare have changed.

"The forces of evil that we are combating do not abide by any Geneva conventions or other traditional rules of warfare and it makes fighting them exceptionally difficult. They use human shields and hide in the civilian population, so a******l methods are sometimes necessary to roust them out and eliminate them or gather the necessary intelligence to disrupt their activities. The face of modern warfare has changed substantially, and the techniques used to fight it must change as well."

Brad Gilbert from Lewiston, Idaho, suggested that when you're in a warzone a soldier's mental health may be c*********d. "I, for one, am a loving individual but when at war, I could be a stone-cold k**ler," Gilbert wrote. "Rehabilitation should be the focus, not incarceration, just letting them free should not be an option. Give the soldier a chance to regain their dignity. At the same time, the family of war crime victims should be offered mental health services as well as wh**ever is culturally appropriate, i.e. death benefits."

"I say review the crimes and apply reasonable standards," wrote Scott Walker, of Asheboro, North Carolina. "The previous administration was too strict and had too broad a view of war crimes. We send men into harm's way and they need to have latitude and tools to get the job done. Compare[d] to policemen and women who are exonerated for what seems to be police brutality, in reality, is a man or woman trying to survive a shift on the beat. Our troops should get the same or more latitude."


The big question is, who is going to pardon all the liberal progressives for the crimes they have committed and are continuing to commit against our Constitution and the rule of law?
Former generals, former prosecutors, former porn s... (show quote)


You wrote, "...the liberal progressive political tactic has always been to accuse him of things he hasn't done and may never do." Wrong! The Progressive political tactic has been to inadequately keep up with the daily profusion of Trump's lies and misdeeds, that quickly fade by their overwhelming volume. Please show me where it is proven that he has been falsely accused. You take the accusations as false because you cannot stand the t***h of this man's low character.

You quote Scott Walker on war crimes? "The previous administration was too strict and had too broad a view of war crimes." for you those standards are just limp-wrist Liberal PC BS, like murdering innocent civilians who probably are or know terrorist...maybe. Better safe than sorry, right?

Listening to Brad Gilbert's comments, maybe I was wrong about the death penalty for child molesters and murderers. What about the traumas of their childhood? Who can blame them? Get them into a program. If I had been raised that way I would be a stone cold k**ler. I would take the ears and penises of my classmates after a dodge ball game I lost.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. ""The forces of evil that we are combating do not abide by any Geneva conventions or other traditional rules of warfare and it makes fighting them exceptionally difficult...The face of modern warfare has changed substantially, and the techniques used to fight it must change as well." Not if Christ has any say in the matter.

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May 25, 2019 15:27:06   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
An example, please.


You claim to follow the Creator, but you promote homosexual lasciviousness,

You are for murdering unborn.

You aren't as righteous as Job but question the Creator like you are his accuser.

There is so much that you present as arguments toward the creator, that there's not enough time in the day to list your judgements against him.

You being a radical progressive (aka self described "centrist")...you are mostly against the Creator in all your self righteousness.

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May 25, 2019 15:52:03   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
You wrote, "...the liberal progressive political tactic has always been to accuse him of things he hasn't done and may never do." Wrong! The Progressive political tactic has been to inadequately keep up with the daily profusion of Trump's lies and misdeeds, that quickly fade by their overwhelming volume. Please show me where it is proven that he has been falsely accused. You take the accusations as false because you cannot stand the t***h of this man's low character. .
OK, your majesty, do you want the entire list of false accusations against President Trump, or will a sampling do?

I suggest you get down off your heavenly throne and eat a truckload of humble pie.

For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 14:11

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May 25, 2019 15:55:05   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
Don't be silly. I didn't say you couldn't object. But you're on the guilty until proven innocent road. Why don't you need to look into the individual cases? Because you liked what a general said? Thats intellectually dishonest on your part.

Not all men in uniform agree on everything. I'm s**k of people using the military for their own selfish purposes. The individuals never matter.


No, I don't "need to look into the individual cases" because it is thoroughly besides the point. Guilt or innocence, proven or suspected, of these men is inconsequential. What is the crux of the matter is Trump considering using Memorial Day to pardon those who may very well have disgraced the uniform and f**g. What's his motivation for such a bizarre stunt? What message? If you were in the field, how would you interpret this action? Think about it.

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May 25, 2019 16:00:11   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
OK, your majesty, do you want the entire list of false accusations against President Trump, or will a sampling do?

I suggest you get down off your heavenly throne and eat a truckload of humble pie.

For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Luke 14:11


One proven falsehood will do. And that will mean ignoring a few thousand truisms of his deceptions. But go ahead.

Blade, you do not hesitate to tell a person like Susan that she is wrong. How is that different when I claim Trump is wrong? Are you on some "heavenly throne"?

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May 25, 2019 16:23:44   #
cbpat1
 
rumitoid wrote:
Really? What are my beliefs?



Reading your past posts for the past year or so, I would say you don’t have any Christian beliefs, other than to bash people that are believers.

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