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May 22, 2019 16:08:52   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the e*******l college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one v**e


You people are trying to re-write the Constitution!!!...And why???Just because your B***h lost the e******n???

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May 22, 2019 16:12:46   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the e*******l college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one v**e


Sure its valid. Who wants to have a few large cities be the deciding factor in how this country is governed? City folks are out of touch with the rest of the country.

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May 22, 2019 16:24:59   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the e*******l college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one v**e


You liberals think the whole constitution has no valid reason today.

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May 22, 2019 16:31:44   #
Liberty Tree
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/47520/nevada-passes-bill-give-e*******l-v**es-national-james-barrett?utm_source=shapironewsletter-ae&utm_medium=email&utm_content=052219-news&utm_campaign=shapiroemail


Nevada Passes Bill To Give E*******l V**es To National Popular V**e Winner
Democratic p**********l candidate Hillary Clinton arrives onstage during a primary night rally at the Duggal Greenhouse in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, June 7, 2016 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City. Drew Angerer/Getty Images



By JAMES BARRETT
May 22, 2019
If Nevada's Democratic governor signs a bill passed by the state senate Tuesday into law, his state will have moved the National Popular V**e movement six v**es closer to effectively nullifying the E*******l College as established in the U.S. Constitution.


By a v**e of 12-8, the Nevada Senate passed AB 186 on Tuesday, which if signed by Gov. Steve Sisolak, will add Nevada's six e*******l v**es to the 189 v**es already pledged by 14 other states in the National Popular V**e Interstate Compact, which would "guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular v**es across all 50 states and the District of Columbia." If triggered, the pact would override the majority decision of v**ers in particular states.

Thus far, 14 states and one district have officially passed the measure, their collective e*******l v**e total currently at 189. The compact requires a minimum of 270 total pledged e*******l v**es to go into effect. Should Sisolak sign the bill, the total would edge up to 195 v**es.

The 15 jurisdictions, which are predominantly blue, that have signed on thus far are: California (55), Colorado (9), Connecticut (7), Delaware (3), the District of Columbia (3), Hawaii (4), Illinois (20), Massachusetts (11), Maryland (10), New Jersey (14), New Mexico (5), New York (29), Rhode Island (4), Vermont (3), and Washington (12).

"The bill has passed one house in 9 additional states with 82 e*******l v**es (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, OR), including a 40–16 v**e in the Republican-controlled Arizona House and a 28–18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, and been approved unanimously by committee v**es in two additional Republican-controlled states with 26 e*******l v**es (GA, MO)," the National Popular V**e website explains.

As CNN underscores suggestively, the E*******l College "clinched President Donald Trump the 2016 p**********l victory despite Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton winning a popular-v**e majority by nearly 3 million v**es." Among the high-profile Democrats pushing for the elimination of the E*******l College are p**********l candidates, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (MA), Sen. Kamala Harris (CA), and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (TX), CNN notes.

Including Trump's victory over Clinton, there have been a total of "five instances where a p**********l candidate has been elected without winning the popular v**e since the E*******l College was created in 1787," The Hill reports.

In a video for PragerU (below), E*******l College expert Tara Ross explains the rationale behind the current U.S. p**********l v****g system and summarizes some of the arguments against the National Popular V**e agreement, including the impact of states' widely varying v****g policies, the exponentially increased threat of v***r f***d, and the encouragement of p**********l candidates neglecting the needs and concerns of rural areas and smaller states.

"If NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most v**es, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states," she argues. "We could see the end of p**********l candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities."



Video and partial transcript below via PragerU:


In every p**********l e******n, only one question matters: which candidate will get the 270 v**es needed to win the E*******l College? Our Founders so deeply feared a tyranny of the majority that they rejected the idea of a direct v**e for President. That's why they created the E*******l College. For more than two centuries it has encouraged coalition building, given a voice to both big and small states, and discouraged v***r f***d.

Unfortunately, there is now a well-financed, below-the-radar effort to do away with the E*******l College. It is called National Popular V**e or NPV, and it wants to do exactly what the Founders rejected: award the job of President to the person who gets the most v**es nationally.

Even if you agree with this goal, it's hard to agree with their method. Rather than amend the Constitution, which they have no chance of doing, NPV plans an end run around it.

Here's what NPV does: it asks states to sign a contract to give their p**********l e*****rs to the winner of the national popular v**e instead of the winner of the state's popular v**e.

What does that mean in practice? It means that if NPV had been in place in 2004, for example, when George W. Bush won the national v**e, California's e*******l v**es would have gone to Bush, even though John Kerry won that state by 1.2 million v**es! Can you imagine strongly Democratic California calmly awarding its e*****rs to a Republican?

Another problem with NPV's plan is that it robs states of their sovereignty. A key benefit of the E*******l College system is that it decentralizes control over the e******n. Currently, a p**********l e******n is really 51 separate e******ns: one in each state and one in D.C.

These 51 separate processes exist, side-by-side, in harmony. They do not -- and cannot -- interfere with each other. California's e******n code applies only to California and determines that state's e*****rs. So a v**e cast in Texas can never change the identity of a California e*****r.

NPV would disrupt this careful balance. It would force all v**ers into one national e******n pool. Thus, a v**e cast in Texas will always affect the outcome in California. And the existence of a different e******n code in Texas always has the potential to unfairly affect a v**er in California.

Why? Because state e******n codes can differ drastically. States have different rules about early v****g, registering to v**e, and qualifying for the b****t. They have different policies regarding felon v****g. They have different triggers for recounts.

Each and every one of these differences is an opportunity for someone, somewhere to file a lawsuit claiming unfair treatment. Why should a v**er in New York get more or less time to early v**e than a v**er in Florida? Why should a h*****g chad count in Florida, but not in Ohio? The list of possible complaints is endless.

And think of the opportunities for v***r f***d if NPV is passed! Currently, an attempt to steal a p**********l e******n requires phony b****ts to appear or real b****ts to disappear in the right state or combination of states, something that is very hard to anticipate. But with NPV, v***r f***d anywhere can change the e******n results -- no need to figure out which states you must swing; just add or subtract the v**es you need -- or don't want -- wherever you can most easily get away with it.

And finally, if NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most v**es, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states. We could see the end of p**********l candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities.
This is getting serious. There is a civil war rag... (show quote)


Next they will say that it is not fair for New York and Montana to have the same number of Senators in Congress.

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May 22, 2019 16:45:58   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
woodguru wrote:
Their v**e will continue to mean something if they are on the side of the majority of the country. Their voice will still carry weight in their state and local politics.

Minorities of people will not be able to dictate the policies for the majority.


So the framers of our constitution were just stupid.
They were intelligent enough to see this coming.
The majority v**e only means a few states would forever be in control.

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May 22, 2019 16:46:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Kevyn wrote:
Everyone’s v**e will count the same as they should. As it is people in low population states have significantly more representation than those in larger states. A resident in Wyoming has two senators representing only a bit over a half million people while those in California have two senators for almost forty million. This gives Wyoming v**ers proportionally 80 times more representation in the senate than Californians.


It gives California about fifteen times more representation than Wyoming. Everything you write is a knee-jerk reaction to something that you have never really given any serious though. You just regurgitate the progressive-l*****t talking points because you've been brainwashed so thoroughly that you aren't even aware of it.

We have an E*******l College because the Senate is not the People Representatives like the House is. The Senate is the deliberative body that Represents the States. You have heard of States Rights and the Tenth Amendment, haven't you? The Senate keeps the House of Representatives in check so they do not run roughshod over minorities by flexing their Tyrannical Majority or succumbing to the high passions and trends of the moment; like trying to get rid of the E*******l College. Why don't you advocate for all Senators going up for e******n at the same time every six years? That way you can get the most popular majority at that moment to have control for six years and the President for only four. The Senate has been bastardized by the Seventeenth Amendment which took power away from the states by allowing the citizens of each state to elect Senators directly by popular v**e instead of their being selected by state legislatures. Without the e*******l college, a smidgen of counties (the large Urban areas) can determine who will be elected, ensuring that the candidates won't even need to visit those states with small populations. So basically, you're in favor of disenfranchising millions of American citizens who live in rural states. You want everyone's v**e to count as it should, and yet you essentially took away their v**e.
You L*****t get dumber every day.

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May 22, 2019 16:50:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Sure its valid. Who wants to have a few large cities be the deciding factor in how this country is governed? City folks are out of touch with the rest of the country.



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May 22, 2019 16:54:49   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
proud republican wrote:
You people are trying to re-write the Constitution!!!...And why???Just because your B***h lost the e******n???


YUP! That's it exactly.

Suppose we get rid of the E*******l College; What would they do if Trump was to win again with a majority v**e, but it turns out that if there had been an E*******l College the other party would have won?

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May 22, 2019 16:55:37   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
America 1 wrote:
So the framers of our constitution were just stupid.
They were intelligent enough to see this coming.
The majority v**e only means a few states would forever be in control.


Not even states, a few cities!

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May 22, 2019 17:03:16   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
The reason the e*******l college was implemented has no valid reason today...

One person one v**e


It's like playing three-dimensional chess with you. But you only know how to play Checkers! Do you people ever think anything through? Everything from the Left is a one-dimensional knee-jerk, one move at a time reaction because you don't plan your moves ahead of time. Your strategy is short-sighted and your brains are, well, just short.

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May 22, 2019 17:05:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
Nothing Prager U is worth watching, it will fry your common sense


So you HAVE watched it!

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May 22, 2019 18:23:17   #
confused one
 
"This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun."

There are three lit powder kegs that could explode at any moment. They are labeled Political, Economic and Racial. It really doesn't matter which one will explode first because the one that does will take the other two with it. No return to the status quo when peace is restored. We found out it doesn't work in the long run.
What might work is a loose confederation of States where people living in each State determine how they wish to live. Issues like a******n, the death penalty, affirmative action, fair housing, equal employment, welfare, immigration and taxes would be v**ed on by the the persons living in each State. No more one ruling fits all 50 States Supreme Court decisions. States Rights instead of a Federal Government ruling that leaves nearly half the population in disagreement and has led us to what we see today....at each others throats

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May 22, 2019 18:31:54   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
confused one wrote:
"This is getting serious. There is a civil war raging in the USA in case you have not noticed. Everything except shooting between combatants has begun."

There are three lit powder kegs that could explode at any moment. They are labeled Political, Economic and Racial. It really doesn't matter which one will explode first because the one that does will take the other two with it. No return to the status quo when peace is restored. We found out it doesn't work in the long run.
What might work is a loose confederation of States where people living in each State determine how they wish to live. Issues like a******n, the death penalty, affirmative action, fair housing, equal employment, welfare, immigration and taxes would be v**ed on by the the persons living in each State. No more one ruling fits all 50 States Supreme Court decisions. States Rights instead of a Federal Government ruling that leaves nearly half the population in disagreement and has led us to what we see today....at each others throats
"This is getting serious. There is a civil wa... (show quote)


Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost???Would you feel the same if she would of won and President Trump lost???..What if President would of said we need to do away EC,what would you say then???.....You people need to realize that President T***p w*n because he was a better candidate then she was,because people v**ed for him and not for her..Its time to stop her whining and go back to the woods or where ever she came from!!!

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May 22, 2019 18:47:45   #
Carol Kelly
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The founders warned us to be ever vigilant. Loss of freedom is only a generation away so the fight has to be renewed with each new generation. But the latest (millennials) don't seem to care. It's our own fault because we let the progressives take over the schools, and we didn't teach about the evils of c*******m and socialism after the break-up of the USSR.


Amen.

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May 22, 2019 18:49:29   #
Carol Kelly
 
proud republican wrote:
Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost???Would you feel the same if she would of won and President Trump lost???..What if President would of said we need to do away EC,what would you say then???.....You people need to realize that President T***p w*n because he was a better candidate then she was,because people v**ed for him and not for her..Its time to stop her whining and go back to the woods or where ever she came from!!!
Why rewrite Constitution just because hillary lost... (show quote)


Hilary came from a strong Republican family. Then she went to college and Law School. Any wonder?

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