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May 23, 2019 14:19:02   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
slatten49 wrote:
Respectfully, Radiance, I am amused by your thinking the link's cut'n paste is my legal opinion...especially since I have no legal standing in the matter, whether I agree or not to what the court's decision was in this case. My opinion notwithstanding, this was simply a FOX article explaining a legal ruling with which you and others obviously do not agree. You may join the many others of us that have disagreed (at all levels of the judiciary) with one or more courts' decision(s).

Your specious arguments aside, it may prove difficult to defend (in many opinions) the indefensible. The bottom line is that the court(s) will decide the future of our president...not you, me or any other individual citizen. The result will be as it always has been: We will live with the decision reached by a court of law. As stated earlier, someone is always unhappy with any court decision. Not surprisingly, it is only and/or always when decisions go against their political or ideological persuasion. C'est la vie

It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological or political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire in a futile effort to put it out. A valiant effort is of no avail.
Respectfully, Radiance, I am amused by your thinki... (show quote)


Most everyone knows you cannot convince zealots, nor do they try. Some of our preconceived stances originate in our youth. having been influenced by a whole host of factors such as family, friends, teachers, school, church, even environment, and are resistant to change. However, there are many independents who read these opinions looking for the strength of the arguments based on facts, not hyperbole, with which upon to base their views and decisions. These are the people who can be swayed, good or bad, by the strength of some arguments. This is not futility, it is freedom and democracy, which is always messy. Otherwise, we should just give up writing any opinion whatsoever.

Fox calls themselves "Fair and Balanced." I am certain that those on the Left would disagree and those on the right may actually be surprised. However, when objectively considered by organizations which monitor the media, with no vested interest in one side or the other, their research indicated that Fifty-three-percent of Fox' news stories about Trump has been negative. This is less than any other media source. To believe or not believe is in the eye of the reader.

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May 23, 2019 14:22:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Most everyone knows you cannot convince zealots, nor do they try. Some of our preconceived stances originate in our youth. having been influenced by a whole host of factors such as family, friends, teachers, school, church, even environment, and are resistant to change. However, there are many independents who read these opinions looking for the strength of the arguments based on facts, not hyperbole, with which upon to base their views and decisions. These are the people who can be swayed, good or bad, by the strength of some arguments. This is not futility, it is freedom and democracy, which is always messy. Otherwise, we should just give up writing any opinion whatsoever.

Fox calls themselves "Fair and Balanced." I am certain that those on the Left would disagree and those on the right may actually be surprised. However, when objectively considered by organizations which monitor the media, with no vested interest in one side or the other, their research indicated that Fifty-three-percent of Fox' news stories about Trump has been negative. This is less than any other media source. To believe or not believe is in the eye of the reader.
Most everyone knows you cannot convince zealots, n... (show quote)

Damn fine post, Tuck.

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May 23, 2019 14:27:36   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
What congress is doing is what congress should have been doing two years ago but they were turning a blind eye, and that includes their lame attempts to look like they were investigating anything. They refused to follow leads, call people before their committees, allowed them to refuse to answer, refused to hold anyone accountable for perjury, buried evidence that made Trump look bad, repeatedly ran straight to the white house with classified information "they thought the president needed to know".

It isn't the job of congress to give Trump free passes on overreach. He should have immediately and aggressively been held accountable for using family in key positions. He should have been held accountable for the lease on the Trump hotel in a government building being a violation of the lease laws regarding conflicts of interest. Trump went on to immediately dispute values that affect the lease terms.

It is the job of congress to hold Trump and the administration accountable, and to enact laws that control abuses so they don't happen again. Trump cannot obstruct their ability to oversee the executive.
What congress is doing is what congress should hav... (show quote)


The Democrats did not control the House during the first two years of Trump's term. For two years the Democraps were festering a rotten mood because Hillary lost and they couldn't accept it. If they keep on this path they will lose again in 2020.

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May 23, 2019 14:31:23   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
slatten49 wrote:
Damn fine post, Tuck.


Hey Buddy,
How you doin?

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May 23, 2019 14:35:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Hey Buddy,
How you doin?

Just about to take my early afternoon siesta.

Our two small dogs, a min-pin and chihuahua, always join in protecting me...while also sleeping.

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May 23, 2019 14:36:22   #
woodguru
 
JoyV wrote:
This is probably an attempt by the bank to deflect from the heat from the investigation into their own money laundering charges. Trump has NOT been charged with money laundering!!!! Mueller already received all financial t***saction records from them with any ties to Trump. He could find no wrongdoing. So the issue was already investigated. But the bank has been raided for money laundering involving Russian officials. No connection can be found to Trump. Trump has had loans from them in the past. Taking out a bank loan and paying it back is not the definition of money laundering the last time I looked.

You can't get warrants to search for some unknown possible crime at some unknown possible time. Suppose all you want. You said; "Suppose a p**********l candidate were to have used money laundering as one of the means to finance his operations. Your argument is that because the action occurred prior to his e******n all of his financial actions are off limits." Look at those two sentences. The first says "suppose" and the second says "his actions". You start with a hypothetical then follow as if it were a proven fact and the only question being whether or not it is off limits. What if I supposed you had child porn videos in your home. No evidence but just a supposition. But what if it were true? Should we let a potential criminal get away with such a crime?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18120021/deutsche-bank-headquarters-raided-trump

I wonder if the two employees who are in trouble are the same ones who alleged Trump was money laundering.

It seems the speculation into Trump being involved in money laundering stems from a condo purchased in the newly completed Trump Palace in 1991, by Process Consultants who resold it 3 years later. The company was one of many listed in the Panama Papers, which is a leaked list of wealthy people with off shore accounts. (Having an off shore account is perfectly legal by the way.) The resale was brokered by the Trump Corporation at the first company's request. Neither selling the property in the first place, nor brokering the resell in the second; are crimes. If lots of properties were purchased and immediately resold, the person doing the buying and flipping might be red f**gged as a potential money launderer. This doesn't come close. And in any case, it would be Process Consultants who would be the potential money launderer, not Trump. But since 3 years passed between the purchase and resale, it is unlikely they were doing so to launder money.

Trying to tie this to money laundering is fantastic!
This is probably an attempt by the bank to deflect... (show quote)


Actually you are wrong on several counts, any activity that would suggest the possibility of money laundering would make an investigation of that fair game. Suspicion leads to scrutiny, scrutiny leads to evidence, which triggers the microscope look. Taxes are the weak link of money launderers, the tax picture is brutally damning...you just can't hide the fact that there is money going through accounts and paying for things that you can't explain because you are not properly claiming it for tax purposes.

Nobody can really explain large cash expenditures, the tale of the taxes says it all.

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May 23, 2019 15:04:30   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
For what it's worth. I remember reading something about this last year, that not all 17 intelligence agencies were included in this assessment of Russian spying. This explains it much better. It is near the time for the Democraps and Obama to pay their "Barr" tab. Drink up fellows,...It's almost final call.

Spygate Bombshell: Obama Admin Cut Video Feed In Situation Room During Meetings On Russia Investigation

(Tea Party PAC) – Recent comments made by Attorney General Bill Barr about unusual arrangements surrounding the original handling of the Russia investigation take on a whole new meeting in light of a previous report illustrating a high and unusual degree of compartmentalization in the Obama-era intelligence community’s original set-up of the Russia probe.

In an interview with Fox News that aired last week, Barr commented that the intelligence community’s early handling of the Russia investigation may raise some questions. He pointed out that it was first handled at a “very senior level” and then by “a small group.”

Barr said:

The thing that’s interesting about this is that this was handled at a very senior level of these departments. It wasn’t handled in the ordinary way that investigations or counterintelligence activities are conducted. It was sort of an ad hoc, small group — and most of these people are no longer with the FBI or the CIA or the other agencies involved. I think there’s a misconception out there that we know a lot about what happened. The fact of the matter is, Bob Mueller did not look at the government’s activities.

Breitbart recently reported that, deep inside a 7,700-plus word Washington Post article, originally published June 23, 2017, the paper details how highly compartmentalized the original Russia interference investigation and the manner in which other US intelligence agencies were deliberately kept in the dark.

This is disturbing.

According to WaPo, in the summer of 2016, then-CIA Director John Brennan convened a “secret task force at CIA headquarters composed of several dozen analysts and officers from the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.”

The Post described this unit as being so secretive, that it functioned as a “sealed compartment” which was hidden even from the rest of the intelligence community, a unit whose members were all required to find additional non-disclosure forms.

The members of the unit reported to top officials WaPo explained:

They worked exclusively for two groups of “customers,” officials said. The first was Obama and fewer than 14 senior officials in government. The second was a team of operations specialists at the CIA, NSA and FBI who took direction from the task force on where to aim their subsequent efforts to collect more intelligence on Russia.

Obama administration officials who were allowed access to Russia intelligence operation was also highly restricted, WaPo explains.

At first, only four senior officials were involved: Brennan, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and then-FBI Director James Comey. Even their aides were all barred from attending the initial meetings, WaPo explains.

The newspaper continues:

Gradually, the circle widened to include Vice President Biden and others. Agendas sent to Cabinet secretaries — including John F. Kerry at the State Department and Ashton B. Carter at the Pentagon — arrived in envelopes that subordinates were not supposed to open. Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room.

To add another layer of secrecy, when the closed Cabinet sessions on Russia began in the White House Situation Room in August, the paper reveals, the video feed from the main room was cut off during the meetings.

Let me repeat that: the video feed in the White House Situation room was cut off during the initial Russia intelligence meetings.

This is INSANE.

The feed, which is usually only for video and not audio, is usually kept on so that senior aides could see when a meeting was in place.

What on earth was going on here?

The paper reported:

The blacked-out screens were seen as an ominous sign among lower-level White House officials who were largely kept in the dark about the Russia deliberations even as they were tasked with generating options for retaliation against Moscow.

The compartmentalization may help to explain why it was only Brennan’s CIA, Comey’s FBI and the NSA that penned the J****** 6, 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community report alleging Russian interference in the p**********l race. Numerous news media reports originally falsely claimed the report was authored by all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.

When you compare this to the increasingly large amount of evidence that a) Obama’s intelligence community knew full well they were engaged in a political game when they launched the investigation and b) Obama himself was in on it, it is very damning.

It’s time these crooks pay for what they did.

Justice is coming.

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May 23, 2019 16:02:06   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
Respectfully, Radiance, I am amused by your thinking the link's cut'n paste is my legal opinion...especially since I have no legal standing in the matter, whether I agree or not to what the court's decision was in this case. My opinion notwithstanding, this was simply a FOX article explaining a legal ruling with which you and others obviously do not agree. You may join the many others of us that have disagreed (at all levels of the judiciary) with one or more courts' decision(s).

Your specious arguments aside, it may prove difficult to defend (in many opinions) the indefensible. The bottom line is that the court(s) will decide the future of our president...not you, me or any other individual citizen. The result will be as it always has been: We will live with the decision reached by a court of law. As stated earlier, someone is always unhappy with any court decision. Not surprisingly, it is only and/or always when decisions go against their political or ideological persuasion. C'est la vie

It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological or political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire in a futile effort to put it out. A valiant effort is of no avail.
Respectfully, Radiance, I am amused by your thinki... (show quote)


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The law at present as it stands, indicates that what I have presented is the valid one. However, the current democrat Congress dictates their desired results of an outcome to their favor. Just as what they are trying to do with the results of the Mueller case.

Congress' desperation, and the abuse of power at present is overwhelming, and blatantly displayed without regards to the American people that they serve.

They behave like Dictators, and the Judicial System as well. What they have is an oversight, but not to take over the whole Judicial Process.

There is no such case where you first identify the victim, because you h**e him, arrest, harass, and assault until he gives up his constitutional rights to allowing Congress ransack his personal belongings at home. Then Congress finds defects in it to convict.

This very basic foundation protecting the constitutional rights of a citizen must prevail. The Executive Branch has its own vested power to exercise Executive Privileges. These are his rights.

Congress' desires to make its own conclusion pinning up guilt on the accused president Trump, before identifying the problem must not prevail in the Judicial System. Their objective is to remove him from power.

I hope the matter be resolved at the highest Court, which is the rightful avenue to process and make decisions. I will rely on that.

Thanks, Slatt for your patience.

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May 23, 2019 16:06:38   #
JediKnight
 
JoyV wrote:
The only official Trump merchandise is sold from https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/?utm_medium=ad&utm_source=dp_googlesearch&utm_campaign=20190514_store_djt_tmagacmerch_ocpmypur_bh_audience0001_na_copy00058_us_b_18-99_gsn_all_na_lp0001_shop_conversion_search_na_na_na&utm_content=sto&gclid=CjwKCAjwiZnnBRBQEiwAcWKfYrJ8g66zN6p4giE5lAbHDPsf-md2rm0UOVEQdYeHRL5Jb2WJGrBZYBoC5gIQAvD_BwE

Other labeled Trump merchandise is made outside of the US and NOT sold by anyone associated with Trump. If you have any site to Ivanka or Kellyanne selling merchandise from a government site, please post the link.
The only official Trump merchandise is sold from h... (show quote)


Joy: both Sarah Huckabee and Kellyanne made commercials from the White House podium to sell Ivanka's junk....you can google it for yourself. Also, Trump has had "i******s" working at his golf clubs for years -not to mention that Melania and her parents are all immigrants. Melania's parents came here through 'chain migration' which of course Trump wants to eliminate. Why do you so strongly support a man that is the epitome of hypocrisy and r****m? sad.

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May 23, 2019 16:14:03   #
Radiance3
 
JediKnight wrote:
Joy: both Sarah Huckabee and Kellyanne made commercials from the White House podium to sell Ivanka's junk....you can google it for yourself. Also, Trump has had "i******s" working at his golf clubs for years -not to mention that Melania and her parents are all immigrants. Melania's parents came here through 'chain migration' which of course Trump wants to eliminate. Why do you so strongly support a man that is the epitome of hypocrisy and r****m? sad.


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That is exaggeration. The hiring of i******s are allowed as long as they have working permits. The fact that no local residents or citizens to work like that. Most of them prefers hand outings at the Obama administration. During Obama's term, we have increased hand outs, and food stamp users to 49 million/
Fifty-One percent (51%) of households under Obama did not pay any income tax.

When i******s work with permits, they pay federal taxes to the income they earned. That is a legal hiring practice. There are jobs that Americans don't want to work on it. Especially during the time of Obama when welfare and food stamps were so easy to get.

Many US residents prefer to have an easy life hand outings than work. I saw many of that in the manicure/pedicure saloon, where the handouts had manicure and pedicure at the expense of the taxpayers.

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May 23, 2019 16:26:44   #
JediKnight
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That is exaggeration. The hiring of i******s are allowed as long as they have working permits. The fact that no local residents or citizens to work like that. Most of them prefers hand outings at the Obama administration. During Obama's term, we have increased hand outs, and food stamp users to 49 million/
Fifty-One percent (51%) of households under Obama did not pay any income tax.


Uh...sorry...that is pure fact.....google it if you dare! Not sure why you guys always feel the need to bring up Obama -as if anything Obama may have done clears the path for Trump to do even worse. You probably don't even know that there are more white people on food stamps than any other race of people. I'm willing to bet that you don't agree with "helping others" either....it shows in your posts....let's pray that you and your family NEVER need help okay?

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May 23, 2019 16:29:37   #
JediKnight
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The law at present as it stands, indicates that what I have presented is the valid one. However, the current democrat Congress dictates their desired results of an outcome to their favor. Just as what they are trying to do with the results of the Mueller case.

Congress' desperation, and the abuse of power at present is overwhelming, and blatantly displayed without regards to the American people that they serve.

They behave like Dictators, and the Judicial System as well. What they have is an oversight, but not to take over the whole Judicial Process.

There is no such case where you first identify the victim, because you h**e him, arrest, harass, and assault until he gives up his constitutional rights to allowing Congress ransack his personal belongings at home. Then Congress finds defects in it to convict.

This very basic foundation protecting the constitutional rights of a citizen must prevail. The Executive Branch has its own vested power to exercise Executive Privileges. These are his rights.

Congress' desires to make its own conclusion pinning up guilt on the accused president Trump, before identifying the problem must not prevail in the Judicial System. Their objective is to remove him from power.

I hope the matter be resolved at the highest Court, which is the rightful avenue to process and make decisions. I will rely on that.

Thanks, Slatt for your patience.
=============== br The law at present as it stands... (show quote)


Radiance3 posted: "Congress' desperation, and the abuse of power at present is overwhelming, and blatantly displayed without regards to the American people that they serve.

They behave like Dictators, and the Judicial System as well. What they have is an oversight, but not to take over the whole Judicial Process. " -

Sadly Radiance doesn't even see she is describing Trump and his band of complicit republicans to the letter. I wonder if Radiance is also one of those who think that "Obama Care" and the ACA are two separate things/ hmmm......

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May 23, 2019 16:31:35   #
Radiance3
 
JediKnight wrote:
Uh...sorry...that is pure fact.....google it if you dare! Not sure why you guys always feel the need to bring up Obama -as if anything Obama may have done clears the path for Trump to do even worse. You probably don't even know that there are more white people on food stamps than any other race of people. I'm willing to bet that you don't agree with "helping others" either....it shows in your posts....let's pray that you and your family NEVER need help okay?


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It was glaringly abundant to find them. Just turn around and there they are.
JedKnight, I help the right people who need help. I don't want to enumerate here what I do helping people. But I help the right kind of people.

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May 23, 2019 16:32:55   #
JediKnight
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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It was glaringly abundant to find them. Just turn around and there they are.
JedKnight, I help the right people who need help. I don't want to enumerate here what I do helping people. But I help the right kind of people.


And just who would be the "right kind of people" Radiance?

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May 23, 2019 16:33:20   #
Radiance3
 
JediKnight wrote:
Radiance3 posted: "Congress' desperation, and the abuse of power at present is overwhelming, and blatantly displayed without regards to the American people that they serve.

They behave like Dictators, and the Judicial System as well. What they have is an oversight, but not to take over the whole Judicial Process. " -

Sadly Radiance doesn't even see she is describing Trump and his band of complicit republicans to the letter. I wonder if Radiance is also one of those who think that "Obama Care" and the ACA are two separate things/ hmmm......
Radiance3 posted: "Congress' desperation, and... (show quote)


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Wrong! We must not lie so that we could solve the problems effectively.

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