God created two thinking species, angels and men. Both rebelled against him: why?
Ha! You can quote another - ok.
Can you quote (think for) yourself?
Read Isaiah "You walked among the mountain of the stones of fire, you were created perfect"
Humility is an interesting choice - to look upon others and not just one's self
OOPS! Sorry, I may have responded to you by mistake thinking you were the other person
rumitoid, the word sin means simply "to miss the mark (bullseye)"
Of course, if you have never sinned (missed the bullseye) then this will make no sense
REMEMBER ETERNAL FORGIVENESS
plainligic - yes!
Vanity - l;ke the old vanities women had to dress hair and apply makeup.
Only looking at one's self (to the point of narcissism)
Can____a
Why infer a creative flaw?
Do you have children?
If you do, and they blow it, does it mean your act of creation was flawed?
rumitoid wrote:
What was the flaw? If there was not a creative flaw by God in their basic formation, what is to blame? If there was, who is to blame?
Why would free will lead to r*******n and sin? How does free will undermine a desire for God?
Two examples of intelligent species and they came to oppose God. If I made a AI computer that did so poorly in making life decisions, I would be laughed out of the market and disgraced. Wouldn't the error be my fault? How can God condemn or hold them accountable for any wrong-doing?
Isn't the account in Genesis really bothersome? There is no creature yet called Satan. Where is the temptation from and why? A perfect existence of obedience and love until this one isolated moment. No suggestions of real cause or conflict. How is it possible? Both the fallen angels and our prototype ancestors wanted to be as God: where did that come from? It is like a two year old grabbing the car keys and driving to a casino. Absurd! What could possess him or her?
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Hi Rumi...
No flaw... That is my answer...
God created us perfect....
He wants us to grow and become our own people... Much like a parent wishes their child to do...
Our r*******n is us testing the limits and coming to knowledge on our own...
We don't always make our parents proud... But we never lose their love. .
His love for us is infinite...
Hug wrote:
Read John Melton's PARADISE LOST
That was required reading in high school.
Iliamna1 wrote:
That was required reading in high school.
And it was an excellent book...
Although I must admit that Satan was characterized rather heroically in the beginning..
And who can forget this line "'tis better to rule in Hell, than to serve in Heaven"...
Now there is a premise that has led more than a few astray
rumitoid wrote:
What was the flaw? If there was not a creative flaw by God in their basic formation, what is to blame? If there was, who is to blame?
Why would free will lead to r*******n and sin? How does free will undermine a desire for God?
Two examples of intelligent species and they came to oppose God. If I made a AI computer that did so poorly in making life decisions, I would be laughed out of the market and disgraced. Wouldn't the error be my fault? How can God condemn or hold them accountable for any wrong-doing?
Isn't the account in Genesis really bothersome? There is no creature yet called Satan. Where is the temptation from and why? A perfect existence of obedience and love until this one isolated moment. No suggestions of real cause or conflict. How is it possible? Both the fallen angels and our prototype ancestors wanted to be as God: where did that come from? It is like a two year old grabbing the car keys and driving to a casino. Absurd! What could possess him or her?
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When you know that an infinite perfect God has created you and me, there are only four possibilities for God and creation.
1) God would create nothing.
2) God would create a world where there is no such thing as good and evil, an amoral world.
3) God would create a world where we could only choose good.
4) God would create this world where there is a possibility of good and evil with the freedom given us to choose. This is the only one of the four possibilities where love is possible.
Blade_Runner wrote:
4) God would create this world where there is a possibility of good and evil with the freedom given us to choose. This is the only one of the four possibilities where love is possible.
Why?
(sincere question... I don't know the answer...)
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Why?
(sincere question... I don't know the answer...)
Because He created us as volitional creatures. The first three reasons BR gave for a possible creation don't allow for volition.
rumitoid wrote:
Did so in HS over fifty years ago. And...?
Great! John Melton wrote PARADISE LOST after he went blind. He dictated it to his daughters. I think Melton describes how Heaven was perfect until Satan decided to revolt and when Sata was thrown out of Heaven a void was left. God wanted to fill the void, so God created earth and Adam and Eve. PARADISE LOST is not the word of God, it is classical literature.
The answer to the OP is very simple to me.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. “
Isaiah 55:8
These questions can’t be answered and attempts to are nothing more than hubris.
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