rumitoid wrote:
The story of The Cave is not "myopic with delusions of grandeur," though I like that mix of thought. Compassion is a facade? What have we come to? I do not and know of no one that leans to the Left that "wants all to be s***es of government." Absurd and a cheap comment. Propaganda BS. Not very becoming of you, Rose. Just stick to honest dialogue and not alt-right base insult.
Then you’re not paying attention to party leadership. And I’m as much a part of the alt right as you are a N**i.
Yes compassion is a facade. They claim to care about children getting shot but than number pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of unborn k**led every year. Life at its most innocent. They’re crocodile tears.
They want to eventually do away with the second amendment and deny a means for people to protect themselves.
They try to comtrol speech so no one has their care bubble burst
They insist on promoting d*****t sexual behaviors, indoctrinating children with the idea and go so far as supporting t*********rizimg children which is child abuse
I could go on with the compassion facade but I’ll stop there.
S***es to government. Oh yes. And the party members will gladly put on their chains as long as they’re blue
Rose42 wrote:
Then you’re not paying attention to party leadership. And I’m as much a part of the alt right as you are a N**i.
Yes compassion is a facade. They claim to care about children getting shot but than number pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of unborn k**led every year. Life at its most innocent. They’re crocodile tears.
They want to eventually do away with the second amendment and deny a means for people to protect themselves.
They try to comtrol speech so no one has their care bubble burst
They insist on promoting d*****t sexual behaviors, indoctrinating children with the idea and go so far as supporting t*********rizimg children which is child abuse
I could go on with the compassion facade but I’ll stop there.
S***es to government. Oh yes. And the party members will gladly put on their chains as long as they’re blue
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That is a totally bizarre alt-right rant. You do not seriously believe that nonsense? I know of no one who wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment or wants open borders or control free speech or (where on earth did you get this ludicrous idea) promote d*****t sexual behaviors. Irresponsible demonizing, sick and twisted attacks to destroy our two party system. This is industrial strength Troll.
rumitoid wrote:
Okay, MAGA hats. You have to be blind or diminished in some way to wear one. Only the unreality of a Cave-like view of the world could account for such a sad statement. You do not and maybe can't get it. The reality of Trump's undermining our vital institutions, the Constitution, our image as a nation, the office he holds, and American ideals is so clear and unmistakable there should be no need to mention it. It is just crazy not to see it.
How do you know that you are not seeing the shadows? You seem pretty tightly bound to your perspective.
Rose42 wrote:
Then you’re not paying attention to party leadership. And I’m as much a part of the alt right as you are a N**i.
Yes compassion is a facade. They claim to care about children getting shot but than number pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of unborn k**led every year. Life at its most innocent. They’re crocodile tears.
They want to eventually do away with the second amendment and deny a means for people to protect themselves.
They try to comtrol speech so no one has their care bubble burst
They insist on promoting d*****t sexual behaviors, indoctrinating children with the idea and go so far as supporting t*********rizimg children which is child abuse
I could go on with the compassion facade but I’ll stop there.
S***es to government. Oh yes. And the party members will gladly put on their chains as long as they’re blue
Then you’re not paying attention to party leadersh... (
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If the Left really had any compassion, they would find ways to get people free from government dependence rather than always making the welfare bureaucracies bigger. For the Left, the call to compassion is their job security.
rumitoid wrote:
That is a totally bizarre alt-right rant. You do not seriously believe that nonsense? I know of no one who wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment or wants open borders or control free speech or (where on earth did you get this ludicrous idea) promote d*****t sexual behaviors. Irresponsible demonizing, sick and twisted attacks to destroy our two party system. This is industrial strength Troll.
Its not alt right. I’m done with this silliness.
Rumi, you and I have agreed on some things and disagreed on others. May I please share with you what I see coming from the liberal left, aka, the Democrat party? The following items seem to be their platform:
Unbridled sex legalized for any and everyone, despite age or perversion, mounting taxes and spending, often for nonsense, demonization of Christians and the Judeo-Christian ethics on nearly every issue, k*****g of babies, born and unborn, elevation of the environment and government to deity status, open borders with nearly unlimited immigration, confusion of g****rs, passage of legalizing pot and other drugs, stifling of free speech for conservatives (but not liberals). You can say this is untrue, but there are news reports and videos to substantiate what we see (some clips posted above), not mere shadows on a wall. This what the Democrat party is presenting to the American public and most of us don't like it.
rumitoid wrote:
In the Allegory of the Cave, Plato distinguishes between people who mistake sensory knowledge for the t***h and people who really do see the t***h. It goes like this:
The Cave
Imagine a cave, in which there are three prisoners. The prisoners are tied to some rocks, their arms and legs are bound and their head is tied so that they cannot look at anything but the stonewall in front of them. Right Wing Partisans.
These prisoners have been here since birth and have never seen outside of the cave.
Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between them is a raised walkway.
People outside the cave walk along this walkway carrying things on their head including; animals, plants, wood and stone.
The Shadows
So, imagine that you are one of the prisoners. You cannot look at anything behind or to the side of you – you must look at the wall in front of you. That is what your party dictates.
When people walk along the walkway, you can see shadows of the objects they are carrying cast on to the wall.
If you had never seen the real objects ever before, you would believe that the shadows of objects were ‘real.’
The Game
Plato suggests that the prisoners would begin a ‘game’ of guessing which shadow would appear next.
If one of the prisoners were to correctly guess, the others would praise him as clever and say that he were a master of nature.
The Escape
One of the prisoners then escapes from their bindings and leaves the cave.
He is shocked at the world he discovers outside the cave and does not believe it can be real. Can Liberals exist?
As he becomes used to his new surroundings, he realizes that his former view of reality was wrong. Not really wrong but so limited as to be unable to make a t***hful assessment of anything.
He begins to understand his new world, and sees that the Sun is the source of life and goes on an intellectual journey where he discovers beauty and meaning.
He see’s that his former life, and the guessing game they played is useless.
The Return
The prisoner returns to the cave, to inform the other prisoners of his findings.
They do not believe him and threaten to k**l him if he tries to set them free.
And there you have the vision of the Right here and elsewhere.
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Shameful, rumi, that you would allude to Plato's allegory to post an obviously prejudicial political argument. In case you didn't know this, there is a real world outside the bubble of politics. This real world is not driven by any political or ideological agenda. There is an unbridgeable gap between those who politicize EVERYTHING and those who don't.
Those who perceive the world only through the senses are pitiable creatures to say the least. These are the ones who do not think for themselves, they merely look at the world and its marvelous manifestations rather than seeing through things. There is an abundance of these types in this world. Atheists most likely top the list. Empirical evidence is all they have to inform them. Such a shame.
In Plato’s theory, the cave represents people who believe that knowledge comes from what we see and hear in the world – empirical evidence. The cave shows that believers of empirical knowledge are trapped in a ‘cave’ of misunderstanding.
The Shadows
The Shadows represent the perceptions of those who believe empirical evidence ensures knowledge. If you believe that what you see should be taken as t***h, then you are merely seeing a shadow of the t***h. In Plato’s opinion you are a ‘pleb’ if you believe this (their insult for those who are not Philosophers)!
The Game
The Game represents how people believe that one person can be a ‘master’ when they have knowledge of the empirical world. Plato is demonstrating that this master does not actually know any t***h, and suggesting that it is ridiculous to admire someone like this.
The Escape
The escaped prisoner represents the Philosopher, who seeks knowledge outside of the cave and outside of the senses.
The Sun represents philosophical t***h and knowledge
His intellectual journey represents a philosophers journey when finding t***h and wisdom
The Return
The other prisoners reaction to the escapee returning represents that people are scared of knowing philosophical t***hs and do not trust philosophers.
rumitoid wrote:
No, not q***r, compassionate. He thought he could help them escape their false reality. This would not work with OPP.
There is definitely a lot of false reality going around. Certainly the preponderance is NOT on the right. I wonder why you would post such a thing and make it try to fit into politics. There was a young native American man who joined the service during Vietnam. He was captured and tortured, then rescued after 18 long months. He went back to his home, but couldnt fit in. He began to drink, do drugs, abuse his friends and girlfriend. People pitied him for what he had gone through, but began to avoid him. One morning the tribal shaman went to visit the young man. The young man was hung over and NOT in the mood for company. The shaman went in, pulled the curtains wide, and wouldn't go away. "What do you want from me?" The young man said. "I want you to come home" said the shaman. "What are you talking about, old man, I have been here for 3 years!" Shouted the young man. The shaman said, "Really? I have not seen you since before you went to war." The young man thought he knew where the shaman was going. He said, "You dont know what they did to me!! I was a helpless prisoner!" The shaman said, "Do you h**e them? Do you think of that time?" The young man said, "Yes, I h**e them! I think of that time every moment!" The shaman said, "Then you are still a prisoner."
Never be a prisoner to your h**e and fear. It will destroy you.
son of witless wrote:
You took a classical story and plugged in the people you do not like. No explanation of how the right are the people still in the cave who do not want to accept the t***h. That is pretty thin.
Why don't you expand the story and show us how and why it all fits ? I like a good story. Go for it.
Conservatives have been resistant to change historically. Conservatives resisted the war for independence. They were the Tories that remained loyal to the King of England acted as spies on behalf of the monarchy. Many sold out and moved to England
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