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May 16, 2019 13:56:14   #
Radiance3
 
Ricktloml wrote:
ALL the Bible is beautiful. But the Psalms are breath-taking. I consider the Bible to be a love letter from our Heavenly Father that gives us instructions on how to be happy, healthy, and most importantly how to achieve salvation


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The Holy Bible is our best friend, the best companion I have. It gives us love, hope, joy, and inspires us doing in everything we do.

Open it before you close your eyes in the evening, and you sleep better.
God loves us. But we must put Him on top of all.

Thank you.

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May 16, 2019 15:25:32   #
woodguru
 
debeda wrote:
Good grief!!! I can't understand how we've gotten to the point where we must legalize mental illness! Not talking about gay, but all this t*********r and all the "identifying as" nonsense. If that "e******y act" passes I cant see any option but to just split the country. Because it's becoming a country that is more and more hostile to conservatives, and conservative Christians in particular. I dont want my children or grandchildren to live in the insanity the dems are creating
Good grief!!! I can't understand how we've gotten ... (show quote)


When conservative christians want to criminalize a******n who is being hostile to who, and who is bringing their christian beliefs where non christians and christians alike do not want them?

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May 16, 2019 15:29:17   #
Radiance3
 
AHO-C wrote:
Radiance...you remind me of my spouse....my spouse reads the Bible daily....me I'm more of a meditator and marvel at the creation around us and how it is like 'Organized Chaos'...if you know what I mean...it's like watching everything moving separately and in symphony at the same time.one action being countered by one or more opposite reactions...so complex and simple all at the same time...actually it's a lot like the Bible ...deeply profound but so much common sense and simple at the same time....ultimately it is not easy to survive in the wild and it's not easy to be good and follow the Bible ( ie survive civilized life and achieve salvation) but the paths are always there if you are wise enough to follow them .
Don't let the new Pope get you down....Ultimately it is what God says in the Bible that trumps anything he may say ....he's like the Medieval Popes in my opinion, has a political NWO Agenda more than a Catholic Church based agenda....One thing has always mystified me as a Roman Catholic....Why has the Church accumulated almost $1T in wealth and not put it to some good use and what's with the Royal Trappings for Bishops/Cardinals/Popes ???? Maybe you could help me understand that better ( if there is any understanding other than their title ). Have a Good Night !!
Radiance...you remind me of my spouse....my spouse... (show quote)

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Quote from AHO-C Don't let the new Pope get you down....Ultimately it is what God says in the Bible that trumps anything he may say ....he's like the Medieval Popes in my opinion, has a political NWO Agenda more than a Catholic Church based agenda....One thing has always mystified me as a Roman Catholic....Why has the Church accumulated almost $1T in wealth and not put it to some good use and what's with the Royal Trappings for Bishops/Cardinals/Popes ???? Maybe you could help me understand that better (if there is any understanding other than their title). Have a Good Night!!
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AHO-C, I am giving you a brief synopsis how the Vatican shares charity all over the world.
Let us see how the Vatican works. Just a brief one. The $1 trillion you are talking about perhaps include the Renaissance Periods,art works of Michelangelo and Da Vinci, and other famous artists. Jesus deserves those beautiful artworks of genius brains, the gift God gave to them.

https://www.forbes.com/companies/catholic-charities-usa/
In 2017, the Vatican spent $3.7 billion dollars helping the poor all over the world.
In 2018 Vatican provided $1 billion help all over the world.
Vatican ranks Number 13 in the world in charitable giving. Forbs List.

In addition, thousands of Priests, Nuns are being sent to various poor countries of the world to help the very poor and especially their children.
a. They build schools for the children, and each them in schools.
b. They built housing and water supplies
c. They provide medical care and give medicine.
d. They teach children in their schools.
e. They teach modern agriculture so that they could hard] vest more for their food.


There were times, when their lives are in danger, and k**led by Muslims after they provided them help
.
In 2019, Vatican gave $500 million to South and Central American refugees coming to the US.
This kind of charity, I think I don’t approve much. Why? I think instead of allowing millions of them escape from their own countries and come to America, I think the Pope talks to Maduro personally or the other leaders of those countries where millions of people been coming to the US


They must respect our constitution. All countries don’t just allow good and bad people to enter without due process. What about us they’ll hurt us. And Jesus said enter the narrow gate.
The Narrow and Wide Gates - “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter.
Matthew 7:13-14.

The Vatican is like an independent nation where they have their own self government and banking system. Countries of the world send Ambassadors to Vatican. The current US Ambassador to Vatican is the wife of Newt Gingrich. The daughter of president John Kennedy Carolyn, used to be the US Ambassador to Vatican.


The current Pope is more of a liberal Pope growing up in the Socialist country of Argentina, although of Italian descent.

The prior Popes I like better. Especially St Pope John Paul II. He was instrumental ending the Cold War. Along with president Reagan, and Premier Mikhail Gorbachevian. Cold War was between 1947 to 1991.

Ending the Cold War was positive to the Russians. Many of them were able to restore their faith in Christ. They again celebrate the Russian Orthodox which they had recovered after the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, which ended the Romanoff Dynasty under Tsar Nicholas II. Bolsheviks was under Linen, and then Lenin died, emperors who followed, until we have the Perestroika of Mikhail Gorbachev who helped end the Cold War. When Gorbachev ended the Cold War, Russians were able to return to their Orthodox faith. They have the freedom to worship Christianity again. Russia received Christ during The Byzantium Empire built by Constantine the Great making Capital in Containable, turkey. This after the death of Constantinople was weakened and the Ottoman Turks took over Constantinople, now under the Muslim rule.

The Ukraine under Russia before, received their Christian faith from Saint Andrew, the Apostle, who reached Kiev in the Slavic nation. He planted a cross there. Now, stands there is the St Andrew’s Cathedral.

Now how is our Pope doing? I heard many things about what is going on. But I don’ believe many of the gossips unless I am sure they are accurate. But we have to pray. Popes are supposed to carry the Magisterium as ordered by Jesus to Saint Peter, but many blunders occur, with human shortfalls. I do pray and hope the Catholic Church built by Christ will last as long as the world is around us.

***I included a brief Russia history to give idea how the Russians became Christians.

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May 16, 2019 15:51:35   #
woodguru
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The Holy Bible is our best friend, the best companion I have. It gives us love, hope, joy, and inspires us doing in everything we do.

Open it before you close your eyes in the evening, and you sleep better.
God loves us. But we must put Him on top of all.

Thank you.


Including people who do not believe in god? Or how about those millions of people who are actually excellent christians but happen to believe that their religious beliefs have no business in politics where they affect people who do not happen to believe in god?

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May 16, 2019 15:59:09   #
Radiance3
 
woodguru wrote:
Including people who do not believe in god? Or how about those millions of people who are actually excellent christians but happen to believe that their religious beliefs have no business in politics where they affect people who do not happen to believe in god?


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What do you mean? As much as possible the Vatican gives charity to all people regardless of their faith.
They also help the Muslim poorest in Africa. Don't you know that? Fact is there were times when priests were k**led by the Muslims. But God still wants the Catholic to help all the poorest. Jesus said, "those who help the least of them, they do it for me."
https://biblehub.com/matthew/25-45.htm

A lot of people h**e the Catholic Church. It hurts me. I know Popes also make mistakes. They are human being, just like all of us do. I am not even very happy with the present Liberal Pope.. But I pray to God. He is doing what he thinks is good for all.
But God forgives when we ask for His forgiveness.

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May 16, 2019 18:20:03   #
debeda
 
woodguru wrote:
When conservative christians want to criminalize a******n who is being hostile to who, and who is bringing their christian beliefs where non christians and christians alike do not want them?


Criminalizing infanticide is bad? Okee dokee.....

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May 16, 2019 18:22:10   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Quote from AHO-C Don't let the new Pope get you down....Ultimately it is what God says in the Bible that trumps anything he may say ....he's like the Medieval Popes in my opinion, has a political NWO Agenda more than a Catholic Church based agenda....One thing has always mystified me as a Roman Catholic....Why has the Church accumulated almost $1T in wealth and not put it to some good use and what's with the Royal Trappings for Bishops/Cardinals/Popes ???? Maybe you could help me understand that better (if there is any understanding other than their title). Have a Good Night!!
==================
AHO-C, I am giving you a brief synopsis how the Vatican shares charity all over the world.
Let us see how the Vatican works. Just a brief one. The $1 trillion you are talking about perhaps include the Renaissance Periods,art works of Michelangelo and Da Vinci, and other famous artists. Jesus deserves those beautiful artworks of genius brains, the gift God gave to them.

https://www.forbes.com/companies/catholic-charities-usa/
In 2017, the Vatican spent $3.7 billion dollars helping the poor all over the world.
In 2018 Vatican provided $1 billion help all over the world.
Vatican ranks Number 13 in the world in charitable giving. Forbs List.

In addition, thousands of Priests, Nuns are being sent to various poor countries of the world to help the very poor and especially their children.
a. They build schools for the children, and each them in schools.
b. They built housing and water supplies
c. They provide medical care and give medicine.
d. They teach children in their schools.
e. They teach modern agriculture so that they could hard] vest more for their food.


There were times, when their lives are in danger, and k**led by Muslims after they provided them help
.
In 2019, Vatican gave $500 million to South and Central American refugees coming to the US.
This kind of charity, I think I don’t approve much. Why? I think instead of allowing millions of them escape from their own countries and come to America, I think the Pope talks to Maduro personally or the other leaders of those countries where millions of people been coming to the US


They must respect our constitution. All countries don’t just allow good and bad people to enter without due process. What about us they’ll hurt us. And Jesus said enter the narrow gate.
The Narrow and Wide Gates - “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter.
Matthew 7:13-14.

The Vatican is like an independent nation where they have their own self government and banking system. Countries of the world send Ambassadors to Vatican. The current US Ambassador to Vatican is the wife of Newt Gingrich. The daughter of president John Kennedy Carolyn, used to be the US Ambassador to Vatican.


The current Pope is more of a liberal Pope growing up in the Socialist country of Argentina, although of Italian descent.

The prior Popes I like better. Especially St Pope John Paul II. He was instrumental ending the Cold War. Along with president Reagan, and Premier Mikhail Gorbachevian. Cold War was between 1947 to 1991.

Ending the Cold War was positive to the Russians. Many of them were able to restore their faith in Christ. They again celebrate the Russian Orthodox which they had recovered after the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, which ended the Romanoff Dynasty under Tsar Nicholas II. Bolsheviks was under Linen, and then Lenin died, emperors who followed, until we have the Perestroika of Mikhail Gorbachev who helped end the Cold War. When Gorbachev ended the Cold War, Russians were able to return to their Orthodox faith. They have the freedom to worship Christianity again. Russia received Christ during The Byzantium Empire built by Constantine the Great making Capital in Containable, turkey. This after the death of Constantinople was weakened and the Ottoman Turks took over Constantinople, now under the Muslim rule.

The Ukraine under Russia before, received their Christian faith from Saint Andrew, the Apostle, who reached Kiev in the Slavic nation. He planted a cross there. Now, stands there is the St Andrew’s Cathedral.

Now how is our Pope doing? I heard many things about what is going on. But I don’ believe many of the gossips unless I am sure they are accurate. But we have to pray. Popes are supposed to carry the Magisterium as ordered by Jesus to Saint Peter, but many blunders occur, with human shortfalls. I do pray and hope the Catholic Church built by Christ will last as long as the world is around us.

***I included a brief Russia history to give idea how the Russians became Christians.
======================= br br Quote from AHO-C I... (show quote)


My problem with this Pope is that he is too theocratical. Attend to your flock, not the world political stage.

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May 16, 2019 19:36:28   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
My problem with this Pope is that he is too theocratical. Attend to your flock, not the world political stage.


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I think I want to have a new Pope, debeda. I think Pope Francis is very liberal Pope.

The Vatican City currently operates in the United Nations as a Permanent Observer Mission of the Holy See . The Holy See has a permanent observer to the UN, but does not have a v**e. It is for diplomatic mission only.

Since 1933, president Roosevelt started normal relation with the Holy See. In 1984 president Reagan and Pope John Paul II, started opening normal relation with the Holy See. That is why sometimes, the Pope Francis interferes with our political system.

Though I don't agree with the Pope's liberal assessment of our political affairs.

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May 16, 2019 19:45:18   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Ricktloml wrote:
ALL the Bible is beautiful. But the Psalms are breath-taking. I consider the Bible to be a love letter from our Heavenly Father that gives us instructions on how to be happy, healthy, and most importantly how to achieve salvation
Check this out Rick.

I pulled this off the Associates for Biblical Research website.

Recently, a skeptic posted the following comment, in italics, on the ABR website about Gordon Franz's article, Bloodline.

"but rather, believe the t***h of the Word of God, the Bible"

You must be joking! The BIBLE ?

A book that has been rewritten and changed a thousand times throughout the centurys [sic] by various people including the church is more credible than this movie. I don't think so. I'm not trying to say the movie is telling the t***h and even the producers of this movie say that they don't have absolute proof for anything. It's a movie and I think we will all find out if the whole thing is a h**x or not, when the tomb will be excavated.


Scott Lanser responds.

Dear Sir,

In responding to your comment I must confess some incredulity in believing that your rather curt remarks reflect a serious attempt to understand or interact with a discussion on the t***smission of the Bible (and specifically, the issue of whether or not the Bible was “changed” over the course of its t***smission.) You approach the subject with such sheer dogmatism and self-assurance that it’s as if anybody with a brain would agree with your assertion. The fact is that the historical and textual evidence does not support your assertion.

Now, it is quite another matter altogether for one to believe that the Bible is the word of God (or not). You may have valid doubts and sincerely believe the Bible is not trustworthy. To conclude, however, that the Bible is nothing more than a document that has been continuously and arbitrarily changed or continuously and intentionally changed cannot be seriously supported.

If we consider the Old Testament, we discover that the Hebrew scribes copying the text took extraordinary steps to copy the text letter by letter and word for word. Keep in mind that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, and its copyists believed they were copying the very word of God. They went to extraordinary lengths to produce a copy that was without error. Now, this does not mean that errors in copying did not occur, but it does mean that we should expect the copies, when compared over the centuries, to be almost exact. Indeed this is what the historical and textual record bears out. The Masoretic text of the Old Testament (written around 1,000 A.D.) would become the standard Hebrew text for another millennia (indeed, down to our current day.). This Hebrew text was based on earlier Hebrew texts, but up until the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, scholars were limited in comparisons with other more ancient Hebrew texts. With the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls that predate the Masoretic text by 1,000 years (they were compiled around the time of Christ) the whole story changed dramatically. With their discovery, scholars could confirm their staggering uniformity with the Masoretic text. A thousand years had passed without any significant change of the text.

When we consider the New Testament, we have approximately 6,000 early manuscripts that are over 99.5% textually pure. (There are many more manuscripts than this, but 6,000 that were actually composed close to the date of the writings of the autographs, the originals). In saying that the texts are over 99.5% pure, I am asserting that there was only one-half of one percent where discrepancies were encountered. Most of these discrepancies are made up of simple deletions of words, or misspellings, not whole-sale textual changes.

Lastly, keep in mind that when you suggest that changes have been made, it suggests a fairly common misconception that the Bible has been copied over thousands of years from one language, to another, to another…and so on. This is false. When a particular t***slation is prepared (at least in the case of an English t***slation), it is being t***slated from the parent languages that the Bible was written in. That is, from the original Hebrew in the case of the Old Testament, and from the original Greek in the case of the New Testament. It is simply untrue that the Bible has been rewritten and changed over the course of its history. In saying this, I am not asserting that there has never been any t***slation work that fell short of accuracy, or that the text of the Bible has always, in every case, been t***smitted faithfully. Indeed, because we have such an amazing textual record, we can identify those manuscripts, or manuscript families that veered off the path of accuracy.

To conclude then, the task of textual study is enormous, and tracing out the process of copying and t***slation is extraordinary; however, when we look at both the broad lines of the subject, and at the specific processes involved, we can and should have confidence that we have an accurate t***slation of the Bible. Of equal importance, and of eternal consequence is whether or not you believe the Bible is the very word of God. We at ABR stand on the belief that God has spoken and has put His word in writing. Reading the Bible as a divine communication is life-t***sforming; alternatively, reading the Bible as a book full of errors, and a product of unaided, uninspired men, leaves a person empty and without hope. May God open our minds so that we will receive the Bible as His love-letter to us all.

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May 16, 2019 19:48:58   #
Radiance3
 
woodguru wrote:
When conservative christians want to criminalize a******n who is being hostile to who, and who is bringing their christian beliefs where non christians and christians alike do not want them?


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For Christians, a******n is a criminal act. God commands us, " thou shall not murder." A******n is murder of helpless innocent babies. That is why Christians criminalize a******n. An act of murder.

Christians evangelize, but not force non-Christians. Christians use the love of Jesus to evangelize. The Apostles jobs during the time of Jesus was to evangelize as Saint Paul did to the Gentiles.

Muslims Sharia commands their members to k**l infidels, unless they submit to their god.

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May 16, 2019 20:05:39   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Check this out Rick.

I pulled this off the Associates for Biblical Research website.

Recently, a skeptic posted the following comment, in italics, on the ABR website about Gordon Franz's article, Bloodline.

"but rather, believe the t***h of the Word of God, the Bible"

You must be joking! The BIBLE ?

A book that has been rewritten and changed a thousand times throughout the centurys [sic] by various people including the church is more credible than this movie. I don't think so. I'm not trying to say the movie is telling the t***h and even the producers of this movie say that they don't have absolute proof for anything. It's a movie and I think we will all find out if the whole thing is a h**x or not, when the tomb will be excavated.


Scott Lanser responds.

Dear Sir,

In responding to your comment I must confess some incredulity in believing that your rather curt remarks reflect a serious attempt to understand or interact with a discussion on the t***smission of the Bible (and specifically, the issue of whether or not the Bible was “changed” over the course of its t***smission.) You approach the subject with such sheer dogmatism and self-assurance that it’s as if anybody with a brain would agree with your assertion. The fact is that the historical and textual evidence does not support your assertion.

Now, it is quite another matter altogether for one to believe that the Bible is the word of God (or not). You may have valid doubts and sincerely believe the Bible is not trustworthy. To conclude, however, that the Bible is nothing more than a document that has been continuously and arbitrarily changed or continuously and intentionally changed cannot be seriously supported.

If we consider the Old Testament, we discover that the Hebrew scribes copying the text took extraordinary steps to copy the text letter by letter and word for word. Keep in mind that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, and its copyists believed they were copying the very word of God. They went to extraordinary lengths to produce a copy that was without error. Now, this does not mean that errors in copying did not occur, but it does mean that we should expect the copies, when compared over the centuries, to be almost exact. Indeed this is what the historical and textual record bears out. The Masoretic text of the Old Testament (written around 1,000 A.D.) would become the standard Hebrew text for another millennia (indeed, down to our current day.). This Hebrew text was based on earlier Hebrew texts, but up until the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, scholars were limited in comparisons with other more ancient Hebrew texts. With the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls that predate the Masoretic text by 1,000 years (they were compiled around the time of Christ) the whole story changed dramatically. With their discovery, scholars could confirm their staggering uniformity with the Masoretic text. A thousand years had passed without any significant change of the text.

When we consider the New Testament, we have approximately 6,000 early manuscripts that are over 99.5% textually pure. (There are many more manuscripts than this, but 6,000 that were actually composed close to the date of the writings of the autographs, the originals). In saying that the texts are over 99.5% pure, I am asserting that there was only one-half of one percent where discrepancies were encountered. Most of these discrepancies are made up of simple deletions of words, or misspellings, not whole-sale textual changes.

Lastly, keep in mind that when you suggest that changes have been made, it suggests a fairly common misconception that the Bible has been copied over thousands of years from one language, to another, to another…and so on. This is false. When a particular t***slation is prepared (at least in the case of an English t***slation), it is being t***slated from the parent languages that the Bible was written in. That is, from the original Hebrew in the case of the Old Testament, and from the original Greek in the case of the New Testament. It is simply untrue that the Bible has been rewritten and changed over the course of its history. In saying this, I am not asserting that there has never been any t***slation work that fell short of accuracy, or that the text of the Bible has always, in every case, been t***smitted faithfully. Indeed, because we have such an amazing textual record, we can identify those manuscripts, or manuscript families that veered off the path of accuracy.

To conclude then, the task of textual study is enormous, and tracing out the process of copying and t***slation is extraordinary; however, when we look at both the broad lines of the subject, and at the specific processes involved, we can and should have confidence that we have an accurate t***slation of the Bible. Of equal importance, and of eternal consequence is whether or not you believe the Bible is the very word of God. We at ABR stand on the belief that God has spoken and has put His word in writing. Reading the Bible as a divine communication is life-t***sforming; alternatively, reading the Bible as a book full of errors, and a product of unaided, uninspired men, leaves a person empty and without hope. May God open our minds so that we will receive the Bible as His love-letter to us all.
Check this out Rick. br br I pulled this off the ... (show quote)


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Quote: Blade" May God open our minds so that we will receive the Bible as His love-letter to us all."
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That's a very powerful statement. The Holy Bible is our best friend, our companion, that guides us how to live the life of love, forgiveness, joy, and fulfillment of all the gifts, God gave us all.

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May 17, 2019 00:14:41   #
Ricktloml
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The Holy Bible is our best friend, the best companion I have. It gives us love, hope, joy, and inspires us doing in everything we do.

Open it before you close your eyes in the evening, and you sleep better.
God loves us. But we must put Him on top of all.

Thank you.


My mother insisted that we, (my sister and I,) read a few passages before walking out the door for school each morning. When you do that you truly put on the armor of the Lord each day, and protection and direction follow you

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May 17, 2019 00:16:07   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
My mother insisted that we, (my sister and I,) read a few passages before walking out the door for school each morning. When you do that you truly put on the armor of the Lord each day, and protection and direction follow you


That is so wonderful. Something I tell myself and others all the time
God is my sword and my shield.

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May 17, 2019 00:35:20   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
That is so wonderful. Something I tell myself and others all the time
God is my sword and my shield.


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Psalm 91, I always read, and now memorized it.

Fact is all the Psalms are very powerful. Read frequently and finally will linger in your memory.
And while driving, can pray without opening the verses in the Bible.

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May 17, 2019 00:36:32   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Psalm 91, I always read, and now memorized it.

Fact is all the Psalms are very powerful. Read frequently and finally will linger in your memory.
And while driving, can pray without opening the verses in the Bible.



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