Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

If you are looking for empirical evidence, you are out of luck. If you think science alone will provide evidence, you are out of luck. The statement that science is the only way to t***h contradicts itself because there is no scientific basis for that statement.

You said it yourself that h**e is corrosive and should be rejected, yet you drink the poison hoping the object of your hatred will die.

You see the world with your eyes and not through them. You see left or right, but not up or down. There is apparently no vertical dimension in your world view.

There was a young student at Trinity.
who cracked the square root of infinity,
but to work with the digits,
gave him such fidgets,
that he chucked the math and took up divinity.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The premise is a fallacy...

It is not for athiests to prove non-existence, but for believers to prove existence...

Nickolai

I'm not looking for empirical evidence of intelligent design because there is none Science provides mountains of evidence that de bunks the bible. Science doesn't set out to do it as some goal Science just does what it does and that's the way it works out. Science doesn't have all the answers yet but provides us with the only t***h of how the natural world works. Tell me what the object of my h**ed is since you have all the answers and know it all. The only thing I know is what I read in my history and science books and my local news paper and National Geographic channel.


You say I have no vertical vision. There is no t***h to that at all I always examine both sides of every coin and is the reason I check in on right wing h**e radio shows now and then I'm always interested in knowing what the other side is doing I first learned how narrow minded and un interested in learning anything around 45 years ago. That's when it first occurred to me why that is, they can't afford to allow a shadow o creep into their minds because they would be risking their salvation therefore are what we call close minded people. Non believers aren't worried about salvation and therefore open to all kinds of information nd much more curious about all things and seek answers to how things work.


it's nice to know things. one year my family in Oregon met those of us in California for a get together at Shasta lake We took a boat across the Lake to Shasta caverns. At the entrance to the Cavern I spotted a patch of fossilized tube worms about two ft. in diameter. I was astonished to see that knowing what the natural habit of Tube worms is in the deepest parts of the oceans along side volcanic rifts in the earths crust where pressure can be 15,000 lbs per sq inch with no sunlight or photosynthesis with fish eels crustaceans life of all kinds all feeding off of the chemical broth that spews forth from the bowels of the earth and 250 million years later the fossilized remains are in the mountains above Redding Ca, at the foot Mt Shasta the most voluminous stratovolcano in the Cascade Volcanic Arc. The mountain and surrounding area are part of the Shasta–Trinity National Forest.

JW

Nicky, you represent the lay science aficionado very well. You personify the adage, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Like all of your ilk, you read something, incorporate that uncritically into your repertoire because someone called a scientist said it's so, and go on repeating it ad nauseum without ever understanding the ramifications of the conclusion you adopted.

If you had any real understansding of the evolutionary processes, you would understand why intelligent design is every bit the reality that evolution is.

You are so hung up on God that you cannot imagine a design process without a Supreme hand in the mix. You probably believe that evolutionary change responds to the needs of a creature. So many of you do. I can't understand that level of ignorance. Tell me this, do flying squirrels glide from tree to tree out of a need get to another tree or an ability to do it? If you go back in your mind to the first successful glide by one of those rodents, did that one accomplish it out of a need or an ability?

Think about that and then let's discuss the obvious ramifications of an animal's CHOICE to use a new ability.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

We who believe in God are not obligated in any way to prove His existence to those who mock God, who deny Him, who defy Him, and who show nothing but contempt for those of us who believe in Him. Belief in an infinite creative intelligence is an individual choice.

God cannot be perceived through the physical senses alone, it is a matter of the heart and the human spirit. The longest road in the world is between the head and the heart. When Jesus said, "knock and the door will be opened unto you", He wasn't talking about a wooden door leading into a room.

If I run into an atheist or agnostic in person and he or she expresses a sincere desire to understand why I believe, or wants to look into it, I might be able to point them in the right direction. But that cannot happen on an internet forum. The atheists on OPP have yet to show any indication that they are sincere about anything other than mocking, criticizing, or condemning us. How does one prove anything to such people?

JW

Actually, the proof has to come from the protagonist, whichever side he chooses.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Science does no such thing. I have yet to see a single piece of scientific evidence that even suggests such a thing.

Here is the Case for a Creator researched by a science oriented legal editor and writer for the Chicago Tribune. He was a hard-core atheist, and when his wife became a Christian, he felt his marriage was over. In order to prove to his wife that Christianity and God were just a fairy tale, he set out on a two year investigation during which he interviewed many scientists ranging from cosmologists, and science philosophers, to geologists and microbiologists. What his research revealed to him was a life changing experience. Watch at your own risk. Or don't.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Understood and agreed...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Yet it is impossible to prove a negative..

I was merely pointing out the fallacy of the statement at the beginning of the article...

Blade understood what I was getting at... I think...

JW

Negatives are provable. Just ask Bob Mueller or Bill Barr.

Any debate must involve a thesis and an antithesis that postulate the same realm of existence otherwise it is a fool's exercise. Any belief is proved as it is uttered. If I believe in little green men, that belief remains intact irrespective of any counter argument. The belief is a fact. Whether little green men physically/actually exist is a different argument. One that cannot be debated because the realms of reality are not coincident. That might change in the future but the future cannot be debated until it becomes the present and the realms of reality coincide.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Nope.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Good point.

Nickolai

I don't believe I have ever mocked, or criticized, or condemned, anyone for their religious belief. I simply don't believe that super natural dieties exist because of a total lack of evidence of any such beings ,and that scientific evidence debunks the God of the bible and renders the stories in the bible fictional tales designed to teach a moral message that they are old myths written down centuries after they allegedly took place and that there is no historical or archaeological evidence to back up the stories. older archaeologist with a shovel I one hand and a bible in the other thought they found evidence but modern scientific archaeology has proved them to be wrong

Nickolai

https://youtu.be/R9uhE4CT2xM
Good for Lee Stroble, if he's happy that's a good thing this is a video of Richard Dawkins describing how atheism is just as fulfilling, for those of us who dis believe

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You are free to believe as you wish, Nik. You could have simply said that you do not believe God exists and left it there. Instead, you immediately contradict yourself. You say you have never "mocked, or criticized, or condemned anyone for their religious belief", then you immediately mock, criticize and condemn those who do believe implying that we are taken in by myths and fictional tales. And, you attempt to back up your contempt with unsupported and meaningless allusions to archeology and science.

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