Religious Question
Apr 30, 2019 22:14:43 #
Rose42 wrote:
No they are Gods words penned by man. Its the interpretation that gets twisted.
What exactly is the criteria for being God's words?
Seems that various denominations have different views on this...
Apr 30, 2019 22:26:35 #
Hug wrote:
Could it be possible that the Catholic Church falls within the category of false teachers that the writers of the New Testament warned so much about?
Yes. There are no different types of Christianity nor is there any biblical basis for it. Pray for the wisdom to discern t***h from false teachings and those who would lead you astray
Christ said -
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.” – Matthew 7:13-14 ESV
And -
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” – Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
Apr 30, 2019 22:29:20 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
What exactly is the criteria for being God's words?
Seems that various denominations have different views on this...
Seems that various denominations have different views on this...
Which denominations deny its God’s word?
Apr 30, 2019 22:53:21 #
Rose42 wrote:
Which denominations deny its God’s word?
None deny... But different denominations add or subtract books to the Bible...
And there are various interpretations of the words.
Apr 30, 2019 23:48:09 #
woodguru wrote:
Part of the disconnect, the bible is man's words, not god's... and deeply subject to man's foibles and politics, the politics of controlling people.
Very true and I agree wholeheartedly with you on that
the Bible is much of God's words, but the words are subject to the imperfect interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man.Apr 30, 2019 23:49:06 #
debeda wrote:
Very true and I agree wholeheartedly with you on that the Bible is much of God's words, but the words are subject to the imperfect interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man.
the Bible is much of God's words, but the words are subject to the imperfect interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man.Seconded...
Apr 30, 2019 23:50:24 #
Hug wrote:
Could it be possible that the Catholic Church falls within the category of false teachers that the writers of the New Testament warned so much about?
No. The problem with the Catholic church, IMO, is that it became a theocracy for a long time and that was when much became twisted. Then the Church backed off from being a theocracy but much that had been added and edited remained.
May 1, 2019 00:47:32 #
woodguru wrote:
Divinely inspired in men far wiser than you, the Bible is the Word of God. Part of the disconnect, the bible is man's words, not god's... and deeply subject to man's foibles and politics, the politics of controlling people.
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
May 1, 2019 00:52:47 #
debeda wrote:
Very true and I agree wholeheartedly with you on that the Bible is much of God's words, but the words are subject to the imperfect interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man.
the Bible is much of God's words, but the words are subject to the imperfect interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man."Interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man" is the result of intellectualizing what is read. Without the power and guiding grace of the Spirit of God in your heart, an intellectual perspective means little or nothing.
May 1, 2019 01:06:48 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man" is the result of intellectualizing what is read. Without the power and guiding grace of the Spirit of God in your heart, an intellectual perspective means little or nothing.
You are also correct. Intellectualizing the word of God is what gets us in trouble. Which is why you cant take everything in the bible literally. Jesus, for instance, taught largely in parables. I have no doubt of the resurrection, which is something that people like to doubt. But again, if you read the Bible with an open heart it is easy to discern between man rules and God's laws.
May 1, 2019 07:09:09 #
debeda wrote:
You are also correct. Intellectualizing the word of God is what gets us in trouble. Which is why you cant take everything in the bible literally. Jesus, for instance, taught largely in parables. I have no doubt of the resurrection, which is something that people like to doubt. But again, if you read the Bible with an open heart it is easy to discern between man rules and God's laws.
The bible is all Gods words. Not man’s.
Consider 1 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
May 1, 2019 07:57:00 #
Rose42 wrote:
The bible is all Gods words. Not man’s.
But written by man nonetheless....
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Consider 1 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
All Scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
No argument here...
Depends on your interpretation of "God breathed"...
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Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Absolutely...
We just need to perceive it...
At times this can be tricky
May 1, 2019 08:09:32 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But written by man nonetheless....
But written by man nonetheless....
But not man’s words.
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No argument here...
Depends on your interpretation of "God breathed"...
Depends on your interpretation of "God breathed"...
In other words you reject it. The fulfilment of biblical prophecy is more proof that its not mans words
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Absolutely...
We just need to perceive it...
At times this can be tricky
We just need to perceive it...
At times this can be tricky
The basics aren’t tricky. People who love their sin will reject that which makes them uncomfortable.
There is nothing in the bible that says we can make up our own theology. Its up to you to accept the t***h. And the t***h isn’t relative.
Read Psalm 19. The bible has everything we need for our spiritual life.
May 1, 2019 08:35:54 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Interpretation, misinterpretation and sometimes downright manipulation of man" is the result of intellectualizing what is read. Without the power and guiding grace of the Spirit of God in your heart, an intellectual perspective means little or nothing.
Amen, Blade..May 1, 2019 08:36:37 #
Rose42 wrote:
The basics aren’t tricky. People who love their sin will reject that which makes them uncomfortable.
There is nothing in the bible that says we can make up our own theology. Its up to you to accept the t***h. And the t***h isn’t relative.
Read Psalm 19. The bible has everything we need for our spiritual life.
There is nothing in the bible that says we can make up our own theology. Its up to you to accept the t***h. And the t***h isn’t relative.
Read Psalm 19. The bible has everything we need for our spiritual life.
I am on vacation and have not brought my Bible... (it was in the suitcase, but someone needed room for her textbooks
)...I enjoy Psalms immensely... But can not place this one off the top of my head... (have had a few beer...
)... Will look it up when I get back....
Agreed... The t***h is not relative...
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