You have this very confused, it is the right who is anti-American government and promise to fix things just to hand over more of our tax money to corporations with incentives they never use, only to reinvest in themselves back into their own stock.

Regulations are a good thing, they stop the giant overreach of corporations, who have now taken the position of governing us to benefit them but I'm sure you don't see it that way. Regulations are protections to the people, so they're not being s**mmed, or living in the midst of a toxic dump.

I don't believe I've ever heard argument before, that being humane is a "religion". That's quite something. You're really grabbing at straws here. No one can control your thoughts, possibly your actions, by the law but even that would be after the fact.

You're angry over people promoting humanity? One doesn't have to follow a religion in order to follow morals of honesty, integrity, good ethics, to simply do the right thing. These are things taught yes, but they can be taught also without religion, that's the simple t***h.

Your definition of a so-called whacko is what? The fact that they don't judge gays?

I have spent most of my life living overseas and in a variety of cultures and working side by side with people from many different backgrounds and skin colours. I am reasonably sure that none of the people from my past would ever label me as prejudiced or a r****t. My political views had been about as benign and innocuous as anyone could imagine.

Notwithstanding that, tracking the politics and events since Obama began his second term, have brought me to the point of view that the Left has made itself the enemy of the American people. You are so wrong when you blame the right for our tax dollars being paid over to corporations. The Left are equally or more guilty of that - and of skimming off a cut for themselves and their cronies as the money changes hands.

All the social programs are part of the same s**m - to rip off the taxpayers and put money in their own pockets.

When it comes to regulations - you put your finger right in the sore - the Left never saw a regulation they didn’t love. To the Left, if a little regulation is a good thing, a ton of regulation are even better.

Regulations under the Left go so far beyond being a good thing because they are all about gaining control over every aspect of our lives.

Well the Left can stick it - we the people are going to reassert control over our own lives. The more the Left try to control, the further the pendulum will swing back the other way.

I for one hope the Democrat Party gets stuffed out of total existence. Maybe then the real rule of law can be reestablished and we can all go back to living our lives quietly, with dignity and in the freedom that was so hard win for us.

Unless the things you say and support in your replies and in the topics you’ve created here at OPP are examples of you playing the devil’s advocate, or are you being just plain two-faced, yes, I do believe I have a “clue” of your ideology which you reveal by the things you say.

Now, I may not know all the details or nuances of your position on certain topics or issues, but we (you) are specifically talking about “a clue” of your “ideology.

Are you saying you didn’t provide “a clue” when you said,
“One doesn't have to follow a religion in order to follow morals of honesty, integrity, good ethics, to simply do the right thing. These are things taught yes, but they can be taught also without religion, that's the simple t***h.”

...Where, taken in context, you were defending disallowing the expression of one’s religious convictions in their civil and/or political life?

If you don’t think that is providing me with at least a clue of your ideology, then you are simply in denial or deliberately being deceptive of your ideological convictions.

If you don’t think “secular humanism” is a form of religion, I invite you to consider this article:

https://quillette.com/2019/04/11/is-secular-humanism-a-religion/

In particular where it states:

“In terms of moral rules, secular humanism is indistinguishable from a religion...
“But it is only the morality of a religion, not its supernatural or historical beliefs, that has any implications for action, for politics and law. Secular humanism makes moral claims as strong as any other faith. It is therefore as much a religion as any other...”

Therefore, when “secular humanists” deny others the right to express their religious point of view, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IMPOSING THEIRS, they are acting both unconstitutionally and immorally tyrannical, and thus hypocritical, all at the same time. This is where the failure of secular humanist’s claim of morality for themselves reveals itself. And that is the ideology you have set yourself to defend which also gives me “a clue” of your ideology, and which also proves you, personally, to be a liar, thereby also throwing strong, substantiated doubt on your morality claims for secular humanists.

Unless the things you say and support in your replies and in the topics you’ve created here at OPP are examples of you playing the devil’s advocate, or are you being just plain two-faced, yes, I do believe I have a “clue” of your ideology which you reveal by the things you say.

Now, I may not know all the details or nuances of your position on certain topics or issues, but we (you) are specifically talking about “a clue” of your “ideology.



...Where, taken in context, you were defending disallowing the expression of one’s religious convictions in their civil and/or political life?

If you don’t think that is providing me with at least a clue of your ideology, then you are simply in denial or deliberately being deceptive of your ideological convictions.

If you don’t think “secular humanism” is a form of religion, I invite you to consider this article:

https://quillette.com/2019/04/11/is-secular-humanism-a-religion/

In particular where it states:

“In terms of moral rules, secular humanism is indistinguishable from a religion...
“But it is only the morality of a religion, not its supernatural or historical beliefs, that has any implications for action, for politics and law. Secular humanism makes moral claims as strong as any other faith. It is therefore as much a religion as any other...”

Therefore, when “secular humanists” deny others the right to express their religious point of view, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IMPOSING THEIRS, they are acting both unconstitutionally and immorally tyrannical, and thus hypocritical, all at the same time. This is where the failure of secular humanist’s claim of morality for themselves reveals itself. And that is the ideology you have set yourself to defend which also gives me “a clue” of your ideology, and which also proves you, personally, to be a liar, thereby also throwing strong, substantiated doubt on your morality claims for secular humanists.

You are so dead wrong. Worse, you are deceptive. Worse yet, you are self-deceived and won't listen to rational arguments that could help you overcome.

"Secularism : indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations" Merriam-Webster.

American liberty was founded on the opposite of secularism! I've got news for you: Secularists didn't invent religious liberty, religionists and theists, and more particularly Christians and Christian sympathizers did so they could have the freedom to express their religious convictions, not oppress them! Now where's your "secular foundation"? If you want a country truly based on secularism, try China. Of course, you won't, because you're a hypocrite and appreciate the liberties religionists gave you, so much, that you want to oppress the religion and religious expressions of those who gave and assured you those liberties in the first place!

In America we have the God-given, Constitutionally recognized right TO practice our religion, which means in every area of our lives INCLUDING our politics. It is called freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion for a reason. If you understood the difference, you wouldn't make such a false statement about secularism being a cornerstone of liberty! What a lie, and a travesty that you've bought into that lie! Freedom OF religion is diametrically opposite to "secularism" which would be the utter oppression of religious thought.

That's where you godless [l*****ts] come in. The oppression part. Because you think supplanting freedom of religion with such ideas as secularism would somehow "liberate" you from having to hear people testify of their personal relationships with Our Creator. Deal with it. If you don't like it, go make your own ball of clay to live on. That's the only place where and when you'll finally get your total "freedom from religion", on the planet that you create out of nothing. Guess what, that ain't going to happen, no matter how much you deceive yourself into thinking you make your own reality or destiny. So until then, you'll have to deal with those of us who recognize, openly speak of, and give glory to the Creator of all.

You are are the ones who are oppressive in your insistence on "indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations". That is YOU imposing your religion [humanism] on others which is unconstitutional and immoral and tyrannical!

If you don't like people imposing their religion on you--that is, forcing you to practice a religious or non-religious ideology-- then don't expect or guilt-trip into or force others to practice your humanistic religion of indifference to, or denying that, God is a factor in our thoughts, culture and actions.

Now, how would you like it if we take some individualistic, off-the-wall whacko from the left as prime examples of leftism? The fact is we don't have to, we have enough evidence of l*****t whackos, who seem to be the bulk of their mainstream characters!!!

You are dead wrong The founders were men of the enlightenment, were educated and knew well the civil strife that accompanies societies when religion and politics are mixed. Therefore they created a secular government and the first amendment establishment clause insures freedom from religion for those with no religion. They did NOT establish a theocracy but a Democratic Republic and no where in the constitution does it say a word about God or Jesus, or Muhamad. or Vishnu, Buddha, Baal, Zeus, Elohim, Yahway, Appolo, ooga bugamongo, Zoroaster, of Venus. The constitution is not a gift from any of those Deities but a secular document