Seth

And we've entered a strange era wherein the all too powerful "progressive" establishment is "helping" our society to raise young people without the dreaded, old fashioned quality known as "taking responsibility for oneself."

Apparently the concept of new, improved Big Government® to which this "progressive" element adheres gives its seal of approval to s**t-canning any new, "inconvenient" human life the same way one throws away a used paper cup or candy wrapper.

Once this practice has become universally accepted by a not-too-distant future generation, the next step will be to eliminate us "no longer useful, inconvenient seniors."

Shades of Soylent Green.

Sew_What

...so a captured enemy combatant or felon, doesn't have any human rights? There's your reason for why we shouldn't care about a fetus because our punishment system doesn't care either.

son of witless

I do not recall where I said anything about " a captured enemy combatant ". My reference to the torture of a murderer being executed was not to advocate it, it was to point out the absurdity of your statement " who cares how painful the process, after you're dead, it won't matter. "


The pain you feel prior to death does matter. We take our pets to the Veterinarian to be euthanized so they will not continue to suffer once we determine that further care is futile.

jeff smith

your about as nutty as a fruitcake in a peanut patch . the President may have money sent to abusive countries BUT this is a symptom of congress passing bills to support these countries . every president hass had money sent to these countries . don't blame President Trump , for something he did not set up . blame the swamp rats , dems. and rinos. might be time for term limits in congress .

Sew_What

You didn't, I providing a real life example.

The torture of any human being will cause their nervous to react, and you don't seem to be very concerned about that, unless it's a fetus.

Sew_What

...and you're a bigger nut because you think there is a "fruitcake in a peanut patch". I have it on good authority that fruitcakes are created in kitchens and baked in a oven, without the need of a peanut patch.

son of witless

That is a false argument, a Straw man if you will. The death and suffering to a fetus, caused by an a******n stands on it's own. You are injecting these false comparisons, I am guessing to defend a******n. I reject your basic argument. If you wish to debate the treatment of captured combatants or incarcerated prisoners, I am here for you, but to link them as morally equivalent subjects, when you are the one who brought them up in the first place, makes no sense to me.

Sew_What

I can't and you can't prove that fetus feels pain...but G.D. well know that torturing will exhibit pain...if you don't understand: stab yourself in the leg. God, you're thick.

And just a darn minute, fetuses are born into sin, whats immoral about disposing of sinners?

son of witless

You are really going out on a dangerous limb. Your arguments are getting extreme, in my humble opinion. You say I can't prove a fetus feels pain. Do you really want to go there ? Okay, you seem more sk**led than me at this, but let me give this my bestest try.

How can I, ME, YOU prove another creature, being, fellow human does or does not feel pain ? What are your standards ? Please tell me ? The fetus is in no condition to tell me or YOU how it is doing. It cannot speak, but then neither can a dog if I kick it. I perceive that it feels pain because of the tone of it's bark and it's body language, but maybe the dog is just faking it.

If you smack me in the face with a hammer, how do you really know I am feeling pain ? Because I am screaming, or because I say " I am in pain you jerk because you hit me with a hammer. " I could be a great liar and a great actor. You do not really KNOW.

But I am getting ridiculous. That was on purpose for demonstration. The physical reaction of the dog and me to the violence done to us, can safely be said to be evidence of pain.

So now, why is it different for a fetus. As it is being dismembered, it's physical reactions to the violence done to it, in my opinion are plenty of proof that it is feeling the same pain as you would if somebody was tearing your body apart.

Sew_What

The only one going out on a dangerous limb is you.

I have asked repeatedly for fetal pain evidence. None was provided. You're medical training is definitely not "street legal" or worthy of consideration.

How many a******ns have you personally observed to make that assessment.

I used to catch frogs to eat the legs. Mom would fry them up in a cast iron sk**let, as soon as she salted them, they twitched. We got such a kick out of that.

Just so you understand the analogy, even dismembered nerves react to ionic solutions and heat...but the legs are definitely not a frog. Any more than being concerned about whether a fetus is a human being.

Sew_What

so:

-I am defending a******n, how long did it take for you to actually figure that out?

-How many a******ns have you witnessed?

-If I pick at a scab, it hurts, but the scab isn't a human life, it is a bunch of dead blood cells.

Seth

Are you actually comparing a fetus to a scab?

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

If my memory services me I do believe AOC has stated that fact just 2 weeks ago.
So, you old liberals better shape up or your Soylent Green!

Sew_What

Sure, but that isn't any different than you comparing it to grown human being.

Seth

They won't mind, as long as the word "green" is involved.