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Apr 21, 2019 21:35:04   #
emarine
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and survival of the fittest? Didn't Darwin tell us that after all the genetic deficiencies were "evolved" out a particular species that the result would be a strong, fit, intelligent specimen that would adapt perfectly to wh**ever environment and climate it was born it? What happened to the dogs? Didn't they make the grade during the long evolutionary struggle?

Best I can tell, dogs, wolves, coyotes, foxes, jackals, and others of the canine species, and all other species in the animal kingdom, are well equipped to survive in the great outdoors. They are capable of finding shelter or even building their own--wolves are particularly adept at this. How about those polar bears? What the hell are they doing up there in the frigid regions of earth, sleeping on ice and diving into cold water to snag a seal?

The question is, what did we do to the dogs to make them so timid, so dependent, so weak and vulnerable to the elements that we have to pamper them, mollycoddle them, primp them, and protect them alla time like liberalism has done to so many humans?

I was born and raised among animals, domestic and wild, they outnumbered the humans 1000 to 1. Most everyone had a dog or dogs. But, of course, we lived in rugged, mountainous country where horses were more numerous than vehicles, and we didn't go in for Chihuahuas or toy poodles or those little mouse-like yappers, ours were shepherds, h****rs, pointers, setters, all the big guys.

As a young firefighter, I paid $500 for a pedigreed Malamute pup. He grew to a powerful 130 pound brute who had a natural relationship with snow. In fact, he seemed to feel he was in charge when winter came and did everything he could to make the snow behave. He was hell on icicles, snapped those babies off their perches and chewed them up like a lion eating a gazelle. Juneau was his name, he was intelligent, affectionate, playful, and comported himself like the soldier he was. Wrestling with him in the snow was a challenge and one helluva lot of fun. Juneau had no desire to be in the house, the only time we brought him in was to pull a thorn out of a paw and treat the wound. He wasn't much of a barker, he was a howler, a growler, a mid-night prowler.

Pulling a sleigh was his favorite gig. I had a tow harness made for him.

I had borrowed a VW bug from a friend and was driving home from a winter outing with Juneau. He took up the entire back seat. Hit a patch of ice and the rear of the car slid off into the snow packed ditch. With the old bug's engine in the rear and drive wheels up front, I had a problem. The left front wheel was at least six inches off the ground. I tried the standard drill, rocked it back and forth, but the thing wouldn't budge. Then it dawned on me. I had help sitting the back seat. I harnessed the Commander of Winter, the captain of cold weather, to the front bumper, and he was pulling before I got back to the cab. When I got in and gunned the engine, out we rolled. When I got out to unhook him, I heard the clapping of hands. A woman across the street saw the whole thing, and she stood on her porch applauding.

I have had many animals in my care throughout my life, and none of them were pussies.
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and surviva... (show quote)



Blade buddy not that it would have made any difference VW bugs are rear wheel drive...

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Apr 21, 2019 21:38:06   #
Rose42
 
emarine wrote:
Holly s**t Woofe buddy … I agree ...


So you are against chaining for emotional reasons? If you don’t want people to take away your rights then why be so willing to take away others rights?

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Apr 21, 2019 21:38:15   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and survival of the fittest? Didn't Darwin tell us that after all the genetic deficiencies were "evolved" out a particular species that the result would be a strong, fit, intelligent specimen that would adapt perfectly to wh**ever environment and climate it was born it? What happened to the dogs? Didn't they make the grade during the long evolutionary struggle?

Best I can tell, dogs, wolves, coyotes, foxes, jackals, and others of the canine species, and all other species in the animal kingdom, are well equipped to survive in the great outdoors. They are capable of finding shelter or even building their own--wolves are particularly adept at this. How about those polar bears? What the hell are they doing up there in the frigid regions of earth, sleeping on ice and diving into cold water to snag a seal?

The question is, what did we do to the dogs to make them so timid, so dependent, so weak and vulnerable to the elements that we have to pamper them, mollycoddle them, primp them, and protect them alla time like liberalism has done to so many humans?

I was born and raised among animals, domestic and wild, they outnumbered the humans 1000 to 1. Most everyone had a dog or dogs. But, of course, we lived in rugged, mountainous country where horses were more numerous than vehicles, and we didn't go in for Chihuahuas or toy poodles or those little mouse-like yappers, ours were shepherds, h****rs, pointers, setters, all the big guys.

As a young firefighter, I paid $500 for a pedigreed Malamute pup. He grew to a powerful 130 pound brute who had a natural relationship with snow. In fact, he seemed to feel he was in charge when winter came and did everything he could to make the snow behave. He was hell on icicles, snapped those babies off their perches and chewed them up like a lion eating a gazelle. Juneau was his name, he was intelligent, affectionate, playful, and comported himself like the soldier he was. Wrestling with him in the snow was a challenge and one helluva lot of fun. Juneau had no desire to be in the house, the only times we brought him in was to treat a wound or keep him out of a screaming, low temp blizzard. He wasn't much of a barker, he was a howler, a growler, a mid-night prowler.

I never chained him to anything or put him on a leash.

Pulling a sleigh was his favorite gig. I had a tow harness made for him.

I had borrowed a VW bug from a friend and was driving home from a winter outing with Juneau. He took up the entire back seat. Hit a patch of ice and the rear of the car slid off into the snow packed ditch. With the old bug's engine in the rear and drive wheels up front, I had a problem. The left front wheel was at least six inches off the ground. I tried the standard drill, rocked it back and forth, but the thing wouldn't budge. Then it dawned on me. I had help sitting the back seat. I harnessed the Commander of Winter, the captain of cold weather, to the front bumper, and he was pulling before I got back to the cab. When I got in and gunned the engine, out we rolled. When I got out to unhook him, I heard the clapping of hands. A woman across the street saw the whole thing, and she stood on her porch applauding.

I have had many animals in my care throughout my life, and none of them were pussies.
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and surviva... (show quote)


I can picture that scene in my mind.

It would have been a great photo opp to see your dog pulling on that VW.

They're amazing creatures ain't they ?

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Apr 21, 2019 21:46:25   #
Rose42
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I can picture that scene in my mind.

It would have been a great photo opp to see your dog pulling on that VW.

They're amazing creatures ain't they ?


That they are. I had one help me up a steep hill by running a line around a tree and repeating that all the way up. She wasn’t trained to do that but somehow knew what I needed

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Apr 21, 2019 21:53:40   #
Kevyn
 
Rose42 wrote:
And with that grand pronouncement you just said no one who lives in an apartment or condo is fit to have a dog.

What a nasty nature you have.


In an apartment the dog lives inside and is walked not chained up in the cold.

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Apr 21, 2019 22:06:39   #
Rose42
 
Kevyn wrote:
In an apartment the dog lives inside and is walked not chained up in the cold.


Is that supposed to be an intelligent response? I’ve had dogs who wanted to be outside, didn’t go in their house and instead would sleep in the snow or in the rain.

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Apr 21, 2019 22:15:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
emarine wrote:
Blade buddy not that it would have made any difference VW bugs are rear wheel drive...
Up until 1997, the VW bug had the engine in the rear and front wheel drive. Then they switched. The bug I was driving was a 1960s model.

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Apr 21, 2019 22:26:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I can picture that scene in my mind.

It would have been a great photo opp to see your dog pulling on that VW.

They're amazing creatures ain't they ?


Absolutely, Wolf. Juneau was a magnificent animal. I have pics of him stowed somewhere. Old glossy prints. I could did them out and scan them to post.

Juneau got along famously with our mother's two Irish setters, and what those three dogs did the night our mother died is one for the story books. She died in a hospital 5 miles away from them, and they all knew it. I wasn't there at the time, but what those dogs did freaked out my sister totally.

Animals are God's gift to us in many more ways than one.

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Apr 21, 2019 22:46:19   #
emarine
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you are against chaining for emotional reasons? If you don’t want people to take away your rights then why be so willing to take away others rights?




Its not emotional its time invested,respect & trust... my dog will walk at my side anywhere unleashed...

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Apr 21, 2019 22:54:43   #
emarine
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Absolutely, Wolf. Juneau was a magnificent animal. I have pics of him stowed somewhere. Old glossy prints. I could did them out and scan them to post.

Juneau got along famously with our mother's two Irish setters, and what those three dogs did the night our mother died is one for the story books. She died in a hospital 5 miles away from them, and they all knew it. I wasn't there at the time, but what those dogs did freaked out my sister totally.

Animals are God's gift to us in many more ways than one.
Absolutely, Wolf. Juneau was a magnificent animal.... (show quote)


Yes they are Blade buddy... I'll give ya a mulligan on the old front wheel Vw's ...

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Apr 22, 2019 06:42:20   #
Rose42
 
emarine wrote:
Its not emotional its time invested,respect & trust... my dog will walk at my side anywhere unleashed...


So will mine and so will many others I know and the dogs will do it under stress. Now you’re inferring people who chain out have less of a relationship of trust? That is indicative of a lack of knowledge on the subject.

What makes this desire to take away peoples rights based on an emotional reaction any different than those who would do the same with other rights or those who would ban guns?

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Apr 22, 2019 09:52:59   #
TrueAmerican
 
Kevyn wrote:
i agree if you can't spring for a doghouse and fence you have no business with a dog


ALL ABOARD the i***t train !!!!!!

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Apr 22, 2019 10:24:42   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I'm against chaining dogs so I agree with this bill.

If you have to chain a dog, then maybe a dog is not the pet for you.

Dogs suffer more by human hands than they do in the wild.

Just because you 'can' have a dog doesn't mean that you should.


You need to really read some of the horror stories of these bills being passed like if they find you left your dog in the required run with suitable dog house and there's a storm they can charge you with abuse take your dog and charge large amounts of money for YOU to pay for its care a facility till your trail at which time you could go to jail and be required to pay a large fee and you never get the dog back and your on a list as a animal abuser for the rest of your life . This BS is a money s**m

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Apr 22, 2019 17:57:26   #
Ricktloml
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yes it is. Its none of your business how I care for my dogs. Absolutely none. They are well cared for, trained and healthier than most. I know what I'm doing.

And its none of my business if you don't want to bring your dogs inside though many would skewer you for that.

Its not your business if an apartment dweller wants a German Shepherd or anything else either. I know this breed and I know they can be well cared for by someone living in an apartment.

My dogs can clear a 10 foot wall with no problem but only a 6 foot fence is allowed. Penning creates more behavior issues than chaining out so I don't do it.

I'm well aware of how some people treat their chained out dogs. I'm also very well aware of how some h****rs treat their dogs. Not saying you treat yours badly but I know what goes on. Yet I would never advocate for laws regulating it. That is madness.

I would caution you to support anything that further restricts animal owners. It has no effect on the i***ts who shouldn't have an animal and only hurts responsible owners. This is how rights are taken away inch by inch. Think it doesn't affect you in the long run? Oh yes it does.
Yes it is. Its none of your business how I care f... (show quote)



What is needed is stiffer penalties for actual abuse. I have to agree that adding more and more laws won't do much to solve the problem of abuse or neglect. Those who abuse or neglect their animals aren't going to obey the new laws any more than they did the old ones. Responsible, loving pet owners will always do what is right for their pets, law or not. I do however agree with WolfC about dogs stinking, I have 4, they do come inside, I am nose blind to it, and they do STINK most of the time. About 30 minutes to an hour after their baths, their "natural aroma" starts coming through. I quite frankly don't care. That's why they make air fresh'ner.

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Apr 22, 2019 18:05:05   #
Ricktloml
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and survival of the fittest? Didn't Darwin tell us that after all the genetic deficiencies were "evolved" out a particular species that the result would be a strong, fit, intelligent specimen that would adapt perfectly to wh**ever environment and climate it was born it? What happened to the dogs? Didn't they make the grade during the long evolutionary struggle?

Best I can tell, dogs, wolves, coyotes, foxes, jackals, and others of the canine species, and all other species in the animal kingdom, are well equipped to survive in the great outdoors. They are capable of finding shelter or even building their own--wolves are particularly adept at this. How about those polar bears? What the hell are they doing up there in the frigid regions of earth, sleeping on ice and diving into cold water to snag a seal?

The question is, what did we do to the dogs to make them so timid, so dependent, so weak and vulnerable to the elements that we have to pamper them, mollycoddle them, primp them, and protect them alla time like liberalism has done to so many humans?

I was born and raised among animals, domestic and wild, they outnumbered the humans 1000 to 1. Most everyone had a dog or dogs. But, of course, we lived in rugged, mountainous country where horses were more numerous than vehicles, and we didn't go in for Chihuahuas or toy poodles or those little mouse-like yappers, ours were shepherds, h****rs, pointers, setters, all the big guys.

As a young firefighter, I paid $500 for a pedigreed Malamute pup. He grew to a powerful 130 pound brute who had a natural relationship with snow. In fact, he seemed to feel he was in charge when winter came and did everything he could to make the snow behave. He was hell on icicles, snapped those babies off their perches and chewed them up like a lion eating a gazelle. Juneau was his name, he was intelligent, affectionate, playful, and comported himself like the soldier he was. Wrestling with him in the snow was a challenge and one helluva lot of fun. Juneau had no desire to be in the house, the only times we brought him in was to treat a wound or keep him out of a screaming, low temp blizzard. He wasn't much of a barker, he was a howler, a growler, a mid-night prowler.

I never chained him to anything or put him on a leash.

Pulling a sleigh was his favorite gig. I had a tow harness made for him.

I had borrowed a VW bug from a friend and was driving home from a winter outing with Juneau. He took up the entire back seat. Hit a patch of ice and the rear of the car slid off into the snow packed ditch. With the old bug's engine in the rear and drive wheels up front, I had a problem. The left front wheel was at least six inches off the ground. I tried the standard drill, rocked it back and forth, but the thing wouldn't budge. Then it dawned on me. I had help sitting the back seat. I harnessed the Commander of Winter, the captain of cold weather, to the front bumper, and he was pulling before I got back to the cab. When I got in and gunned the engine, out we rolled. When I got out to unhook him, I heard the clapping of hands. A woman across the street saw the whole thing, and she stood on her porch applauding.

I have had many animals in my care throughout my life, and none of them were pussies.
Wh**ever happened to natural se******n and surviva... (show quote)



Sad to say my Irish Wolfhound, Katie, was fierce, (when she was standing behind me barking,) at whoever came to the door. Because she was big, and had a bark to go with her size, people we didn't know had a healthy respect. In reality, she was a gentle giant...an Irish Wusshound

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