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Apr 21, 2019 14:02:11   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
So is that what conservative teachers do...educate?


Conservative teachers tend to teach the 3 Rs, and leave the 3 Ms to the family in my experience.

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Apr 21, 2019 14:13:05   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
It only stands to reason that most teachers are liberals because all teachers, obviously, are college educated and the colleges have learned farther and farther left since the late 50s. Another aspect, which most don't think about, is teachers are not really exposed much to "real life". They go from school to college, to work in a school. They cant imagine a job where you work 50 weeks to get a week or two off. They cant imagine not having "teacher institutes". They cant imagine not having a secure and generous pension. They, as we all do, live life and observe others from their own points of reference, which as mentioned above is limited.
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Colleges are big places though--you are assuming that the College of Education for EVERY university is dominated by liberals when you've presented zero evidence that that is true. As for a secure and generous pension--what state would that be in as clearly my wife picked the wrong state to indoctrinate students in...

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Apr 21, 2019 14:16:44   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
Conservative teachers tend to teach the 3 Rs, and leave the 3 Ms to the family in my experience.

So in your "experience" conservatives can be objective while those evile liberals can't...is that the case??? Strange, in my experience the opposite is the case...

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Apr 21, 2019 14:19:51   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
Colleges are big places though--you are assuming that the College of Education for EVERY university is dominated by liberals when you've presented zero evidence that that is true. As for a secure and generous pension--what state would that be in as clearly my wife picked the wrong state to indoctrinate students in...


Check out the wages and bennies in Illinois. FAR too generous, IMO. Especially their pensions. Which is 80% of the average of their last 3 years of employment.

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Apr 21, 2019 14:29:57   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
So in your "experience" conservatives can be objective while those evile liberals can't...is that the case??? Strange, in my experience the opposite is the case...


I put 4 children through school and was very active with the schools between 1975 and 2005. And I worked for several years for an education foundation, which was involved in "school reform". Very liberal. Had access to teachers, principals and administrators/superintendents in small cities in Illinois, Michigan, Arizona and California and had access to wages, benefits, resources, etc. So yes, in my experience. It's also my experience that teachers are the biggest whiners and complainers, as a group, of anyone else I've ever worked with. Apologies to your wife, not all were like that, I have teachers in my own family and only about 2/3 fall into that category.

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Apr 21, 2019 15:53:43   #
fullspinzoo
 
PeterS wrote:
That doesn't answer my question--what evidence do you have that these liberal teachers are trying to indoctrinate their students with their ideology? If that were the case wouldn't liberalism be the predominant ideology and you poor little conservatives would be slowly withering away? So is that the case...you poor little cons are slowly being turned into thinking, self-aware, objective liberals? I can understand why that would terrify you but I doubt that you have any evidence to support it. And read your last link..."Highly Educated!" Well, very few cons are highly educated and those that are, are in singular disciplines such as business or engineering--which are dominated by conservative instructors--so you are safe there.

I really think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. The vast majority of professors are like Joe and keep their political and religious beliefs to themselves. And while I know you find that hard to believe it's true--you poor little fellers are safe from our evile ideology--unless of course, you want to learn about it, then I'm sure you would be able to find someone to indoctrinate you. Do you think that's the case...that there are some thinking, self-aware, conservatives out there who want to improve themselves? I know it would be rare but I guess it is possible...
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obviously you didn't read my links. Liberal profs outnumber conservative profs 12-1. What do you THINK is going on?

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Apr 22, 2019 08:02:59   #
1969skoops
 
Time and time again, I see post from class rooms where the teacher tells the class that Trump is bad for our country. What I don't agree with is it's all one sided. Teachers making these type of statements do not want to ever here from the other side of the coin. Alot of them have the concept, they are the teacher so they are right, when it comes to poltics!!

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Apr 22, 2019 08:07:04   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
PeterS wrote:
So what evidence do you have that students are being indoctrinated with liberal values by their teachers? A teachers ideology only matters if there is a purposeful attempt to indoctrinate students with it. Here is an example, both my wife and I took courses from Joe Buttigieg, Pete's father, but neither of us knew what his religious values were. We thought he was Catholic because of the area of the Mediterranean he was from but he never gave the slightest hint about what he thought of religion or politics for that matter.

And that is my point. A teacher should be objective in his teaching so religious values and political beliefs would never come through. Now I am sure you conservatives have plenty of examples where teachers tried, unsuccessfully, to indoctrinate you but I don't know of an incident in either high school or college where a teacher or professor tries to press their political and religious view unto their students. That is simply a big no-no that most teachers simply wouldn't cross...
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Well, then I guess when "professors" and students at Yale Law School cancelled classes to protest Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court it was NOT a "big no-no". These i***ts were protesting BEFORE any allegations were proven (which they never were) and they were supposedly learning that people in this country are innocent until proven guilty. Just one example of many.

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Apr 22, 2019 08:16:09   #
waltmoreno
 
Kevyn wrote:
What a concept, someone obtains an education works a career at sub standard wages out of a sense of service and gets an old age pension, instead of b***hing that they earned a degree and pension why don’t you consider working for an outfit that provides one? The other thing to consider is that better educated people tend to be more liberal and uneducated people consrervitive, knowledge and the lack thereof are likely the cause of both. Running your ass into the ground for some company with little to show for it at the end of your life is not a virtue, any more than ignorance is, don’t kid yourself that it is.
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As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. To start with, teachers take watered down courses in their chosen field. Especially where they teach at the high school level or lower. Moreover, if a person can’t succeed in their chosen field on their own merits in that field, they can always fall back and teach.
Lastly, the teachers union are universally the most left wing virulent organizations around. Especially in the social departments or the soft sciences. And it’s almost always mandatory that teachers have to be members in order to teach.
I for one don’t buy the lefty BS that teachers do it for magnanimous reasons. Not only do they get 3 months off in summer, and generous pensions, they always seem to be threatening to go on strike for an increase in wages. And/or other benefits.
Haven’t you ever been in a classroom taught by a boring, couldn’t-care-less teacher who was just putting in her/his time? I know I have. Lots of time.
In short, if they can succeed on their own merits, they go out in the field and do so. If not, they teach.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:40:29   #
Radiance3
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
It's a known fact that teachers on the whole are liberal for the most part. It's just a given. It's one of the big problems we have with kids growing up amongst a group just itching to 'indoctrinate'. Courses like Constitutional 101, the Law behind the Constitution. Bill of Rights, the genesis and philosophy of the Founding Fathers, should all be mandatory. Higher education teaches nothing but the philosophies of Sociialism, Marxism, and C*******m. You have guys like Bill Ayers, the unrependent terrorist and the like teaching classes. What's wrong with this picture? https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/too_many_school_teachers_h**e_capitalism__and_are_vowing_to_get_rid_of_trump_in_2020.html
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In my state all school teachers are members of the democrat Labor Union of SEIU, (Service Employees International Union}. I think that is true to all over the country.

They are all liberals and democrats demanding salary increases every year.

Some of the teachers are dumb, lazy, and do not know how to teach. They stay there for 30 years, get fat and obese, then get lucrative retirement. In addition to that, they have Teaching Assistants. The problem is these dumb lazy teachers could not be removed due to their labor union that protects them for seniority.

That is why US public schools rank # 35 in the world's academic achievements. Some 3rd world countries fair better than the US. In math and science, US ranks number 37th.

Instead of teaching the basic ABC's of reading, writing, history, math and science, the SEIU teachers teach them L**T, and some of them Islam religion. That is why most many kids h**e our country instead of being patriotic. They don't know the history how this country was founded.

They demand e******y. But no two could be equal when it comes to mental abilities, and parenting. Their SAT's are much lower than the private school system.

Every year, we spend average of $16,000 each kid annually. Our property taxes go up so high every year, because 65% of the budget goes to the public schools system, to fund the demands of the democrat SEIU teachers.

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Apr 22, 2019 11:45:23   #
waltmoreno
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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In my state all school teachers are members of the democrat Labor Union of SEIU, (Service Employees International Union}. I think that is true to all over the country.

They are all liberals and democrats demanding salary increases every year.

Some of the teachers are dumb, lazy, and do not know how to teach. They stay there for 30 years, get fat and obese, then get lucrative retirement. In addition to that, they have Teaching Assistants. The problem is these dumb lazy teachers could not be removed due to their labor union that protects them for seniority.

That is why US public schools rank # 35 in the world's academic achievements. Some 3rd world countries fair better than the US. In math and science, US ranks number 37th.

Instead of teaching the basic ABC's of reading, writing, history, math and science, the SEIU teachers teach them L**T, and some of them Islam religion. That is why most many kids h**e our country instead of being patriotic. They don't know the history how this country was founded.

They demand e******y. But no two could be equal when it comes to mental abilities, and parenting. Their SAT's are much lower than the private school system.

Every year, we spend average of $16,000 each kid annually. Our property taxes go up so high every year, because 65% of the budget goes to the public schools system, to fund the demands of the democrat SEIU teachers.
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Couldn’t agree with you more, Radience3!
Moreover have you noticed how many kids drop out of school before graduating? It’s primarily because they’re bored by what their teachers are putting out. More likely than not, it’s left wing indoctrination. And the kids are rebelling against it! So they drop out. And those are the mild cases. Some kids act out their hatred for their experiences by shooting up the schools. That’s how much they h**e what’s being done to them at those public schools.
Ask yourself, when was the last time you heard about a kid shooting up an ice cream parlor? Of
course the answer is ‘never’!
So the reasons kids shoot up schools has everything to do with their experiences there.
Dull, boring teachers attempting to indoctrinate the kids except some of the kids aren’t having it!

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Apr 22, 2019 13:29:23   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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In my state all school teachers are members of the democrat Labor Union of SEIU, (Service Employees International Union}. I think that is true to all over the country.

They are all liberals and democrats demanding salary increases every year.

Some of the teachers are dumb, lazy, and do not know how to teach. They stay there for 30 years, get fat and obese, then get lucrative retirement. In addition to that, they have Teaching Assistants. The problem is these dumb lazy teachers could not be removed due to their labor union that protects them for seniority.

That is why US public schools rank # 35 in the world's academic achievements. Some 3rd world countries fair better than the US. In math and science, US ranks number 37th.

Instead of teaching the basic ABC's of reading, writing, history, math and science, the SEIU teachers teach them L**T, and some of them Islam religion. That is why most many kids h**e our country instead of being patriotic. They don't know the history how this country was founded.

They demand e******y. But no two could be equal when it comes to mental abilities, and parenting. Their SAT's are much lower than the private school system.

Every year, we spend average of $16,000 each kid annually. Our property taxes go up so high every year, because 65% of the budget goes to the public schools system, to fund the demands of the democrat SEIU teachers.
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that's the story in many states, mine included. And how ignorant are teachers? Here's an example. I was talking to some educators who were bemoaning the fact that teachers weren't "treated like professionals ". I told them that one of the problems with being treated like professionals was the fact they were unionized, and professionals aren't. THEY said "what do you mean, doctors have the AMA and lawyers have the Bar Association it's the same thing". I thought they were speaking tongue in cheek and said "You don't really think those are collective bargaining entities, do you?". They DID. They didn't even know the difference between professional organizations and collective bargaining entities. Hail our excellent education system

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Apr 22, 2019 14:59:25   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
that's the story in many states, mine included. And how ignorant are teachers? Here's an example. I was talking to some educators who were bemoaning the fact that teachers weren't "treated like professionals ". I told them that one of the problems with being treated like professionals was the fact they were unionized, and professionals aren't. THEY said "what do you mean, doctors have the AMA and lawyers have the Bar Association it's the same thing". I thought they were speaking tongue in cheek and said "You don't really think those are collective bargaining entities, do you?". They DID. They didn't even know the difference between professional organizations and collective bargaining entities. Hail our excellent education system
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That's why we got these dumbbell kids.

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Apr 22, 2019 15:00:43   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That's why we got these dumbbell kids.



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Apr 26, 2019 11:30:03   #
promilitary
 
Kevyn wrote:
What a concept, someone obtains an education works a career at sub standard wages out of a sense of service and gets an old age pension, instead of b***hing that they earned a degree and pension why don’t you consider working for an outfit that provides one? The other thing to consider is that better educated people tend to be more liberal and uneducated people consrervitive, knowledge and the lack thereof are likely the cause of both. Running your ass into the ground for some company with little to show for it at the end of your life is not a virtue, any more than ignorance is, don’t kid yourself that it is.
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Not many teachers work at a substandard wage; perhaps those in the parochial school system.
Public school teachers are very well paid, considering it's a part time job at full time pay.

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