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Apr 16, 2019 15:27:44   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Beautifully put! Excellent ! Praise the Lord that we know who our God is and that he is real! I love Jeremiah 29:11 for I know the plans I have for you , they are plans for good and not for evil to give you a future and a hope! That is our God! He is real, I have seen his works!


Hear, Hear!!!!

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Apr 16, 2019 15:29:34   #
Singularity
 
byronglimish wrote:
When I was younger and invincible, I liberated a cult book from a museum.

I started reading this book, ianythingcult that considers itself a church.

One late night, I awoke with what seemed like a hand on my forehead pressing me with a super strong pressure to my pillow.

At first I thought it must be a dream, "at first" then when the dream didn't stop.

I started calling out for Devine intervention.

I tried to wake my roommate, but he couldn't be awakened.

So I went back to bed, and was woke up again, and this time the force was so intense on my forehead, I thought that a caved in skull was only seconds away.

I started praying like a saint, everything was weird and after trying to wake my roommate again, without success.

I went back and knelt at my bed and prayed in earnest, for a safe night and asked that wh**ever was attacking would stop.

All of the sudden I remembered the book, that I had liberated from the museum, took it out and put it on the roof.

When my roommate woke up, who was a very tidy Marine, he was mystified as to how his room got all tore up.

I told him what happened, he knew I wasn't playing, because he was a light sleeper, and couldn't hardly believe how his room could be torn up, and not wake him.

I returned the book (and I mean I was worn out) but returned the book and never had another incident like that.

That was my reason for asking you if you'd ever conjured up anything.

Some unlearned people might scoff and make ignorant statements about my terrifying night, but Honest to the Creator, it most certainly happened!
When I was younger and invincible, I liberated a c... (show quote)

I got hold of some bad mushrooms once....

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Apr 16, 2019 15:32:30   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Singularity wrote:
I got hold of some bad mushrooms once....


Yep, no I didn't do peyote, or anything, it was a sober experience, but only people who know me, know that I'm not mishandling the t***h.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:32:53   #
Sew_What
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I don't know why you Atheists don't humor us Christians a little more. After all, you know that you must be right, why try to prove it all the time by being cynical. Maybe it's akin to whistling past the graveyard. Besides, it's more interesting for us underlings to discuss things when we think we are taken seriously. Or maybe you are just a flippant person by nature. Oh, yeah, you really don't have to decide anything - for us at least. Maybe God will ask you to decide sometime. If there is a God, that is (your conjecture, not mine).
Or maybe that was just someone you quoted.
I don't know why you Atheists don't humor us Chris... (show quote)


Why, you don't bother to humor me.

I received the same answers over and over again, but here's the facts:

Prayer doesn't fix things that you never face with an honest study
Hope never got anything done
Confessions make you feel better, especially if delivered by prayer-unfortunately they never make any of those you have hurt better

What's the difference between a psychopath and a christian?

Christians get together on Sunday's to stab each other in the back, psychopaths do it on their own.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:34:55   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Singularity wrote:
The writer essentially presents the subject of faith defining it in the form of an oxymoron, a logical absurdity. Leading one to the conclusion that his intent was poetic rather than literal, or an attempt to obsfuscate rather than illuminate.

Then he presents anecdotal evidence of the good fortune accruing to various individuals who adhered to the Hebrew Faith and cultural Law. Explains blood guilt, generational or original sin and that blood sacrifice is mandatory for redemption.

Then promises occult rewards for choosing to throw in with this particular deity vs vicissitudes for backing a particular middle eastern demon.
The writer essentially presents the subject of fai... (show quote)



I'll accept that as a valid interpretation of faith - by a non-believer. What are the odds of running into two cynics in one afternoon.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:42:27   #
Singularity
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yep, no I didn't do peyote, or anything, it was a sober experience, but only people who know me, know that I'm not mishandling the t***h.


I bow to your, and their, greater breadth of experience of your nature.

However, could the occult book have been so used, in its history, in such a way that it could have conveyed some hallucinogenic substance to an unwary handler such as yourself? Sounds more likely than a supernatural rift in the time space continuum,

but that's just me.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:44:01   #
Singularity
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I'll accept that as a valid interpretation of faith - by a non-believer. What are the odds of running into two cynics in one afternoon.


Pretty good where I sit.

We all have our gifts as well as needs.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:48:15   #
Singularity
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I'll accept that as a valid interpretation of faith - by a non-believer. What are the odds of running into two cynics in one afternoon.


Faith is different from knowledge in exactly the same manner that a flour wafer is different from a human/god hybrid's flesh.

Better?

You are welcome.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:50:52   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Sew_What wrote:
Why, you don't bother to humor me.

I received the same answers over and over again, but here's the facts:

Prayer doesn't fix things that you never face with an honest study
Hope never got anything done
Confessions make you feel better, especially if delivered by prayer-unfortunately they never make any of those you have hurt better

What's the difference between a psychopath and a christian?

Christians get together on Sunday's to stab each other in the back, psychopaths do it on their own.
Why, you don't bother to humor me. br br I rece... (show quote)




I don't bother to humor you? Oh, I'm sorry, I'll try to do better. I'll even try to chuckle a bit at your psychopath joke. It was intended to be a joke, wasn't it?

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Apr 16, 2019 15:50:56   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Singularity wrote:
I bow to your, and their, greater breadth of experience of your nature.

However, could the occult book have been so used, in its history, in such a way that it could have conveyed some hallucinogenic substance to an unwary handler such as yourself? Sounds more likely than a supernatural rift in the time space continuum,

but that's just me.


It's one of those surreal happenings, that only being there would have a much different opinion.

My roommate knew for sure that under normal life, he would have awoken.

He wasn't even a drinker.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:53:35   #
Singularity
 
byronglimish wrote:
It's one of those surreal happenings, that only being there would have a much different opinion.

My roommate knew for sure that under normal life, he would have awoken.

He wasn't even a drinker.


Typical problem with validating anecdotal evidence.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:54:23   #
Radiance3
 
JW wrote:
I was born Catholic, raised Baptist and grew up devoutly religious; saved, born again, and a frequent leader of the Sunday evening service at our church. Today, I am agnostic.

Former church-mates of mine are quite certain that I could not have been sincere if I am truly agnostic today. I have assured them, and now you, that I was as sincere then as I am now and I am as sincere as I can possibly be.

There may be a God, I don’t know, but the characterizations of God currently celebrated on planet Earth are pure fiction in my view.

Why do I say such a thing? Firstly, if God can truly do anything, why would He design a universe that cannibalizes itself at every level. Why would any omnipotent being create a system in which His greatest creations can only exist by destroying His other creations? The sadism in that design says nothing positive about a universal creator.

Secondly, if God is truly omniscient, knows all, past, present, future, He would have known from the very beginning of the pain and terror felt by every prey species and every mistreated child throughout the history of His Creations. Once again, the sadism in that behavior says nothing positive about such a universal creator.

Thirdly, if God really is omnipresent as advertised, He is an ever-present witness to all of the pain and agony, torture and death, loss and grief that He has designed into His creations. Finally, the sadism in that voyeuristic proposition says nothing positive about such a universal creator.

I do not object to anyone’s personal beliefs so long as they remain personal. I do not discourage any from their beliefs. I don’t know if it is possible to exist as a society without some omnipotent father figure somewhere in the mix. The current devaluation of the strong father archetype is having some very unfortunate and profound impacts on our ability to maintain and operate a civilized society. That is another of what I view as failures in the design.

It is not my goal here to attack or promote any belief. It is my intention to present an argument for open-mindedness. I know that is a difficult standard to maintain. It requires a constant review of one’s own feelings and information bases. It is not always a matter of conviction that leads us to separate conclusions. Sometimes it is merely a difference in point of view, or of information possessed, or of t***sient uncertainties.
I was born Catholic, raised Baptist and grew up de... (show quote)


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The faith you have in Christ is very shallow. God does His will not according to human standard but of His will. "Thy will be done." From the Our Father, Christ taught us.

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Apr 16, 2019 15:54:41   #
bahmer
 
Peewee wrote:
What you have to decide is are we an ant farm, a computer simulation, or are we made in the image of God and are His children. Also, is God love or h**e. Each person has to decide what they believe.

Are you an ant living in an ant farm and when you've built your tunnels and nest, does God take delight in shaking it all up so you have to start over again?

Are you a computer simulation and are we living in a hologram? It's all make believe except for the pain and the love.

Are we God's children created in His image? It doesn't say angels were created in His image. Some of those guys are freaky and have four faces, wings, shine, and can shapeshift. You should know there is a spiritual unseen war going on in the heavens. There is also a real war being waged on Earth for the souls of mankind.

You have a limited amount of power you can access if you're obedient to God. You also have a limited amount of power if you are obedient to Lucifer. God promises that one day He will wipe away every tear and you will agree with how and why He did things the way He did. As a bonus for trusting Him, you get to see Him face to face and abide with Him forever. God makes eternal promises.

Lucifer can give you temporary powers that have an expiration date because he has already been judged and he is bound for the pit.

I don't know why the game is scheduled to last six thousand years plus a one thousand year millennium reign. But God does love that number seven for some reason. Maybe because that was the day He got to rest and everything was perfect for a little while.

Doubt all you want, but blame the bad stuff on Lucifer and give God credit for the good stuff. Your job whether you want it or not is to trust and obey. Do you want or need some joy? Help others without expecting anything in return.

We have only discovered one blue marble in the universe we can observe. We are the only game there is.
Eventually, this Earth will perish. By wars, pestilence, comet, or fire. If we're not living in a new heaven and a new Earth we are toast and you will never see your loved ones again much less Jesus or God. If God is real and can be trusted you don't want to be here after the rapture. Your choice. I believe there is only one safe space and that's in the loving arms of my creator and His begotten son, not Lucifer.
What you have to decide is are we an ant farm, a c... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Apr 16, 2019 16:10:52   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh, oh, I smell the stink of apostasy. Old Lucifer works diligently to snag the faithful, cast doubt into their hearts, throw clouds of uncertainty into their thoughts, force them to question their faith. Once that happens, the doubts and uncertainties feed on themselves, they grow stronger as time passes and soon another child of God turns away from Him. The Prince of Darkness is mightily pleased when one of them passes judgement on God.








I just watched a young lady telling her story on TV about being sexualy assulted repeatedly by her father starting at age 8. Eventually bearing four children and one miss carriage from her father . It began with him telling her the act was ordained by god, that if it was wrong god would stop it, that he did not so it was ordained by god. Entering her teen years she knew it was wrong and tried to stop it but he would bring up the god thing and have his way. When the father started with her oldest 11 year old daughter as well as her younger sisters she and her sisters went to the police and the father was arrested at the airport with ticket to Brazil. He was sentanced to 90 years in Prison. My trust is not in god. I trust the police who have been entrusted by man. If there is such a thing as an omnipotent god that created our world it obviously it is obviously a genocidal maniac, who created a world in which every creature in it has to k**l something else and eat it in order to survive, Ever see a crocdile rip the guts out of a Wildebeast tying cross a river to its feeding grounds. Obvciously the Genocidal maniac once it was created has ignored it's creation

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Apr 16, 2019 16:23:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
I just watched a young lady telling her story on TV about being sexualy assulted repeatedly by her father starting at age 8. Eventually bearing four children and one miss carriage from her father . It began with him telling her the act was ordained by god, that if it was wrong god would stop it, that he did not so it was ordained by god. Entering her teen years she knew it was wrong and tried to stop it but he would bring up the god thing and have his way. When the father started with her oldest 11 year old daughter as well as her younger sisters she and her sisters went to the police and the father was arrested at the airport with ticket to Brazil. He was sentanced to 90 years in Prison. My trust is not in god. I trust the police who have been entrusted by man. If there is such a thing as an omnipotent god that created our world it obviously it is obviously a genocidal maniac, who created a world in which every creature in it has to k**l something else and eat it in order to survive, Ever see a crocdile rip the guts out of a Wildebeast tying cross a river to its feeding grounds. Obvciously the Genocidal maniac once it was created has ignored it's creation
I just watched a young lady telling her story on T... (show quote)


I used to have thoughts like that; hating God or thinking there wasn't one since I figured God was letting it all happen. I got over it and now realize man is man and that is not a pretty thing. I also realized that people have mental illnesses and no matter what I might witness or experience there are others who have seen or experienced worse. Now I don't see it as there being no God, I simply see it as man being man. If I ever run into God I might ask about it and I'm sure the answer will blow me away.

Here's a thought, how do you know that a once evil entity is now that little girl and it's happening as punishment for past evils. Hey, you never know. And then, you being witness or finding out about it, come to realize there is true evil in the world and the test for you is "what will you do to help stop the evil?"

I think it is fairly immature to sit back and say that based upon this there must no be a god or if there is then how could he do or allow such a thing?

Kind of like all these Trump h**ers who seem to want to let i******s in just to make Trump look bad. Maybe they are being tested to see if they will put their money where their mouths are and help take care of them. LOL! So much righteous indignation by those who participate not in the slightest to help fix a problem.

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