Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Amen and amen

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

Easy there promilitary and welcome, you may want to lighten up giving out facts and t***hs.
Both do not fair well on this board. Their alternatives seem to do fairly good though.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Time, Space, Matter.

God sits outside of these!

There first had to be space to put the matter, without space were could the matter be put.
There has to be time, when was the matter put into space.
Matter has to have both a time and space, but also an origin.

Atheist try to argue the non existence because they place a creator inside creation thus there is no creator. But God was never inside the box, but outside of time, matter, and space.
The only explanation of time, matter and space is a creator that exist outside of it.
No atheists can refute.

https://youtu.be/8_OC2t7mIWE

YouTube has Kent Hovind debating several evolutionist and atheists. This guy is very very sharp. Watch the video with Kent debating Bill Nye.... Ha, ha, ha he make Nye a fool.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Happy to help out

https://youtu.be/ogSttUF9mbo

bahmer

Those were both good there Jack thanks for posting those.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

This one is easy, the Question asked. "To fill in the rest of the story of the beginning of the Universe and God's impact on Material substances".

I will without doubt show where the advocate of "without beginning" went into faith based comprehension and then I will tell what really happened back then.

Both participants agree that a void of space was all that there was for starters, some people don't even accept a void of space was the beginning, implying origin was an infinite material substance or a broken up dispersal of both matter and space either 1. assuming singular as the foundation of phenomena, or 2. plurality was there to begin with.

Both commentators agree singularity was a void of space to begin with.

So not all 3 time space and matter had to come into existence, space was there in the beginning, if you don't say what precede a void of space you are accepting space always existed as a void can only be space unless you describe otherwise.

Space was either a singular void or a solid or space didn't exist or there was both space and stationary substance, Dialectical Materialism accepts space and stationary substance were evident and then reasoned logic is applied to what caused movement.

Hegel's synthesizing explanations were accepted as movement itself, this is I think the beginning of Science entering the debate of the beginning, although most Hegelians are Theological Idealists as nearly all Theologians are.

The very sharp guy answers that God is not limited by time space or matter so God is extra extraterrestrial outside of the comprehension that, He Created, because everything had to begin in the same instance, of course this has no meaning in reason and even if it did it would contradict movement completely, because time is the relationship between moving substances, the fourth dimension of time is about comparison of time in say a black hole where time cannot be determined as consistent as a calibration governed by the speed of light.

What really happened to begin with if I recall correctly , woops take that back, don't want to challenge God's jihadists, and it's not true anyhow, God won over Space which made Fate unhappy but he knew to be something other than a boss without a servant he had to join in the association so in Scientific terms interaction began on a subjective leverage.

The reality of space the possibility of Fate and the continuum the smart guy mentioned is the Spiritual force of memory which is never what actually took place, memory is a reflection of possibility.

God colluded and collusion became God as He is now.

Will study the longer videos and get back to answer, am a bit busy with my sporting activities, life is short and bones were made to be broken.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The answer of "Where God came from or began" was answered. Don't know....
There is an incredible amount of faith in science to fill in the blanks of Theory. Just as Einstein had certainty in math, Opps later proved not to be certainty. Thermodynamics is another certain uncertainty.
The definition of void is not finite since it has a different meaning depending on the source using "Void" in support of their arguments.
I prefer by reason to put my faith in God for multiple reasons. Void being nothingness.
Also for the mathematics of over 1500 (specific not general), prophecies being fulfilled with the odds in the quadrillions. My odds of winning the lottery every single day of my life are greater than a dozen prophecies being fulfilled. Even greater odds of the complex eyeball we read with being formed by chance and then nearly beyond the scope of math to calculate our genetic gene strand. Long enough to wrap three times around the earth and moon, can fit in a match box.
Discoveries over the last few years proving the accuracy of the Bible.
Personal supernatural spiritual experiences with God.
I find it far easier to have faith in God, than faith in science and especially since the more science advances, the more scientist step forward proclaiming once atheist but now agnostic. The relationship between science and a creator are growing, not lessoning.
Since no scientist was around to witness the beginning I'll hang with "Void being nothingness and no space, time or matter do not have to have existed. Nothing in the scientific world has proven that, only speculation and theories.

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

then this must be good theory and/ or speculation. hope y'all can parse them out. same thing,different formats,1 split,the other not.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

I chose your video when it wasn't addressed to me because I thought it would be easier, and now this, bringing up Einstein's "E=MC squared" which was conceived by Gravesande in 1750, who was talking about velocity as in "E=MV squared", Gravesande was following the idea that gravity causes the fastest physical movement in the Universe, if you shook the sun the earth would rattle straight away, true or false? So Newton was before Einstein and it was Einstein who said it was the speed of light the fastest, and Einstein c***ted anyway, but that doesn't matter I have all everyone needs to know about everything, except Thermodynamics I have no idea what your implying there, but agree that many commonly held convictions are misrepresented under the cover of science.

A void is commonly held to be a vacuum if anything else existed outside a vacuum it would get sucked in, so Space must have been everything or it would contain wh**ever was out there since space is so expansive.

I think that's where the idea comes from that nothing was once comprised of things, because now we know when this Universe is compacted by the reversal of outward motion, due to the big bang running out of kinetic energy, and the Universe implodes upon itself, the Universe will be the size of a grapefruit and exist within soace, and in fact I know for sure our Universe is not the first.

I agree God exists and faith is important, but I don't follow you prophecies argument, the Biblical t***hs I think are outdated, as possibility comes and goes, the Gospels lead to a development of consistency as a great cause bigger than the individual but not in any specific direction, good can come bad can come, if everything was preordained God would be bored to death, in fact I can say for sure God is subordinate to His Creation outside of lending a guiding hand.

Science is to me a testimonial to the expression of t***h and a deepening of consciousness adding to the expansion of conceptual meaning fostering God as a development Himself.

So the next Universal Creation will be much bigger and better than this one.

You touched in my specific area of knowledge when you said "since no science was around to witness the beginning", don't forget about the son of God, what happened was God had to protect His impartiality so He jettisoned His memory and put Space in charge, then it was the absent minded God that some folks reference as the son of God conjuring up a Prophet Particle with Space and Fate, but when the fighting started initially there was a mistake, God knew the folks would never understand about all this science till we had motorcycles to get about on, so He put it down as a first sin and for many the last.
Thanks for the reply.

John King

What? The clear meaning of your comment seems a bit to illusive. Please try and dumb it down a bit for us common folk. Also, your connection to Trump in your comment is way out there . . . sort of like you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome!!!

John King

What? The clear meaning of your comment seems a bit to illusive. Please try and dumb it down a bit for us common folk. Also, your connection to Trump in your comment is way out there . . . sort of like you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome!!!

John King

I can't tell if you're joking or serious! If you truly claim to be the Messiah, we have a real problem . . . for you must know there is only one AND YOU MOST ASSUREDLY ARE NOT HIM!!! The second coming of the Messiah will be seen by all and known to all, according to the Bible. When the Messiah comes back, He most likely won't need to tell anyone who He is . . . . we'll know by what he does!!!

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

I certainly am the Messiah, and your right I am beginning to suffer from Trump derangement syndrome but that doesn't affect my Prophethood in any way, it's only a recent problum I've encountered when I realised Trump had sold out to the G*******ts.

Certainly everyone knows I am JC, and have done so all along, the problum is the impartiality of God has to be protected and I can't be giving out a free pass to every Tom Dick and Harry just because they are influential in some way or other.

Naturally then most people have to keep it a secret under the auspices of Divinity due to the fact that the proof was so overwhelming when I was born all hands came out on deck to profess their allegiance to themselves, now I can't be all things to all people and as you would know everyone was at it, of course, I'm mainly interested in surviving this encounter with the Absolut Authority, you know what they say , the higher you are the further to fall.

Obviously this created a duality of existences, there is the fictious one and the real one which I represent, in order to solve this conundrum God has empowered me with the capability to escape personal damnation by solving the most pressing problums on Earth that are still possible to be solved.

Which is why some ungodly people say I represent a political PSYOP and want to ban me from OPP, but if they do that and my Salafist Brothers then realised I am not going to unite Islam with Christianity the will come and k**l me, but of course they can't, I can only die in a motorcycle accident for it is written in the Eternal Book that no one is allowed to read in the Temporal Creation.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Let the professor ask a Christian versed in God's word and such a weak example would not be posted.
I'm not going to give the 10 page answer to these questions when your not seeking the t***h but seeking an ah-ha with hearts motive to disprove rather than seeking ways to believe.

The short answer you don't want to hear or accept because of things in your life that conflict with God.

The short answer : God is good. Man separated himself from God through disobedience (Sin). Once sin entered the world so did enter sickness, illness, man's body was no longer eternal and perfect. Mankind now is prone to heart failure, cancers and the like.
"Every man has an appointed time"
God does heal some and even by miracles (I know first hand) but God does not heal all. We as Christians don't always understand why, but we do understand "All things for the glory of God".
Paul an Apostle had some medical issues and asked God to heal him. God's reply was "my grace is sufficient" meaning he wanted Paul to come to him daily and God's grace would get him through each day. God knew he needed Paul to come to the well everyday for relief so he could keep Paul on a path for his Glory "bringing men to the knowledge of Jesus and eternal life".
Others God heals and from their experience dev**e their lives to the kingdom of God (bringing souls to the knowledge of Jesus and eternal life).
But it is natural we would ask "why heal this one and not that one"? Because we have finite understanding in our tiny man's brains trying to understand an all knowing God that is purest of love, mercy, and fairness.
Our courts make it clear that no matter how good a person we are, no matter how much we donate our time and money to the homeless, are a model parent, help little old ladies, kind to neighbors, don't cuss, don't drink, don't smoke, don't judge others..... Rob a bank and you will be condemned by the law. No argument will get you a get out of jail free card. But I've been a good person all my life doesn't replace the penalty.
Same with God. God says that if you break even one of his laws you are judged by the law and the penalty is death, forever separation from God, eternal hell.
But Jesus paid for your penalty on the cross. He bought and paid for you to have eternal life. He paid having his flesh beaten from his body, staked on a cross, pierced by a spear dies, was buried, defeated death and on the third day rose again. Jesus (God in the flesh) defeated death and rose to eternal life that we to can defeat death and have eternal life for simply asking him to forgive us our sin, confessing our sins to him and asking him for forgiveness. Believing he died and rose again, that he is The Son of God (God in the flesh) and repenting our sins (Changing the way we think about sin/turning from liking sin to hating sin). We believe in our heart, confess Jesus with our tongue, we are saved. But then something miraculous happens... God's spirit then enters into the new believer and dwells within him all his life. Christians know that God lives in them by evidence God gives them.
Doubt Jesus rose again? I wouldn't blame you if you did. Many scholars with multiple PHD's that didn't believe in the bible, God or Jesus have sought to dispute and disprove that Jesus rose because everything in Christianity hinges on Jesus defeating death and rising again because if he didn't, then our faith is in vain, meaningless.

Dr. James Dobson was a man hell bent to disprove "Evidence demands a verdict ' is his book using the same requirements courts use to measure evidence and from his globe trotting around the world and Middle East to disprove became a believer. Same with C. W. Lewis, Lee Stroble, As a successful cold case detective, J. Warner Wallace and riggid Atheist seeking to destroy Christianity once and for all... Opps now a Christian and hundreds of other highly educated, intelligent men and scholars as well as scientists.
There are better books than Evidence demands a verdict but what I like about it, one would benefit in understanding what the author demonstrates if they have higher education, higher math, vocabulary. It isn't for the lessor learned.
"The case for Christ" by Lee Stroble is not to the higher level of Evidence Demands a Verdict but a great book with the same intent.
My point? If your hard core to not believe and disprove God, would it not be wise to follow some of our most brilliant present day men and see the journey they took? Know for certain why Christians do believe? And know the book they follow (the Bible) and intimately know what's in its pages?
After all I have nothing to lose but if your wrong, it's your eternal life. Would it not reason to at least know what and why Christians believe?
No offense, just a point. The atheists /Christian question and answer you posted reveals how much you don't know.
Get a copy of Evidence Demands a Verdict or better yet the updated version 'The New Evidence that Demands a verdict ".
You come accross as a very decent and good spirited guy with intelligence . I'm glad to know you and only wish you well.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Didn't read his full post, eh...