roy

the kid broke the dress code, he argured with the teacher,maybe to much.oh and his dad will sue maybe his dad should teach him to respect his elders. teacher go to school everyday wondering if they will be shot,stabbed slaped,beat up all because parents will not teach their kids discipline. our public schools hyave so got out of control because of this. many parents just use the school system as baby sitters. if they would set rules and kids started trouble,then tell their parents to sent them to another school at their own expense. but the way it goes most of the time teacher tells parent their kid is a trouble maker and they say not my sweet kid i will sue.

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

You mean a politically correct one don't you?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

As an old time teacher (1958 - 1986) I might tell you that the lack of discipline comes from the school. Back in the heavenly days of the 60s we disciplined the hell out of high school kids. Not beating or anything but making them work off punishments and like that.

I was a principal in 1967 and a shop teacher sent me three recalcitrants to deal with and although I took an old fraternity paddle to them it wasn't hard enough. The next semester the same three showed up kind of relaxed and feeling tough. I talked to them for over 20 minutes to get them really relaxed and then took out the paddle. I beat butts till the tears started and was very happy with the fact that I picked the toughest one for last. He was nearly standing straight up when the tears started but promised me he wouldn't be back.

There fathers showed up at my house that night and every one of them shook my hand and thanked me for that. What would happen to anyone who tried something like that today? He would lose his job, go to jail and not ever get that kind of job again. The courts have destroyed all discipline in schools along with the teachers' unions. Parents are surely to blame but not all together.

roy

i agree with you on most points,i do agree if you paddled a kid these the fathers would show up at your house but it wouldnt be to shake your hand. as for the teachers unions,i dont know why everybody want to blame the unions, my state has basicaly took the teachers unions out you still got problems with kids,they expect the teachers to deal with those kids,principals will take no responsibabilty . so what would you do with this kid that broke the dress code,and seems to have probably throwed a kids fit,which my have went to far,and may have felt threatened ?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I am not taking any part in today's problems but I surely can promise you that punishment in the 50s and 60s was done without fear of retaliation and today the courts have taken away any right of the school to punish in any way that works.

Another time I was in a physical education class and a bully just couldn't understand that what he was doing was wrong. The game was touch football and I just inserted myself on the team against him and knocked him down a couple of times and when he came up swinging I knocked him down with my fist. His dad wasn't a large man and he showed up at my door that evening with a 6 pack of beer and an extended hand thanking me for what he said he couldn't do.

You are right about the suing that goes on today but too often that comes from union lawyers and other lawyers who want to make some money.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Roy, don't forget that was the time when if you got in trouble in school, you doubled that trouble when your folks learned of it, and if the parents questioned the kid, the kid told the T***H - FEARFUL NOT TO.

Kids didn't resent their parents for being a parent. Many parents of today are totally disinterested in what the kid is into, OR they want to be the kid's buddy, friend, but NOT a parent who must sometimes say "NO!"

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

In the late 30s and early 40s my dad promised me one thing. If I got spanked in school I was sure to get it at home. He never backed down from that as long as I was in elementary school but when I was a senior I got into a little thing with a kid who threw my books out in the hall. I didn't go looking for help but took him by the arms and slammed him against the wall three times and he slumped to the floor after the last one. The teacher who was leaving that room ordered me into my seat and smart aleck me told him after I got my books I would sit down. He slapped me up aside the head in a slap that was heard all over the place. the other kids said they could still see his hand print an hour later when we got out of school. I didn't know what to expect when my dad got home and he surprised the hell out of me when he said that if that man ever hit me in the head with anything and I didn't beat the hell out of him, and both of were sure I could do it, he would beat it out of me when I got home. If I ever respected any man in my life it was my dad and especially for that.