Morgan

I believe when democracy is discussed in these terms, we should differentiate between direct and indirect. In an indirect with representation, a structured government must be present with a set of rules and laws.

okie don

In Plato's REPUBLIC he states 'a Democracy always leads to tyranny'.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

In response to JW, you wrote:

Then you wrote this:


You leave me confused; which is it?

Morgan

I'm confused too, is this to JW or me?

If it was to me, my comment was I found his statement that an indirect democracy didn't exist, I found humorous, how does he even credit such a statement? As we've talked about, an indirect democracy is a representative democracy.

With the second comment, what is your confusion? If a country uses representatives, they are an organized government and not a anarchy.

Hope you are enjoying this fine day

Morgan

Not much of a track record to go by at that time, LOL

Did you happen to read what he based his opinion on?

How I see it is every government is vulnerable to tyranny,

it is up to the people to prevent it.

As stated on the first US seal...R*******n to Tyrants is Obedience is to God

okie don

Of the three:
Aristrocracy,
Monarchy and Democracy, Democracy is worst as it leads to Tyranny.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Apparently I was more confused than I thought, lol. My initial reading was that you said there was no thing such as an indirect democracy, but then provided information saying what an indirect democracy was... my apologies, Morgan. I don’t usually post while multitasking, this is an obvious reason why.

Thank you, yes, I am enjoying it so much that I cannot read critically... please pardon my interruption.

Hope you are enjoying your day as well.

Morgan

Morgan

Actually, there are five general forms of government, monarchy, democracy, oligarchy, authoritarianism, and totalitarianism.

Monarchy is defined as a form of government in which a single family rules from generation to generation. The power, or sovereignty, is personified in a single individual.

There are two main types of monarchy that differ based on the level of power held by the individual or family currently in power. Absolute monarchy exists when the monarch has no or few legal limitations in political matters. Constitutional monarchies, which are more common, exist when the monarch retains a distinctive legal and ceremonial role but exercises limited or no political power.

We are not a Monarch

Democracy is defined as a form of government in which power belongs to the people. (We the People) There are two forms of democracy. One is direct democracy, in which all eligible citizens have direct participation in the decision making of the government.

The second and more common form of democracy is a representative democracy, in which citizens exercise their power through elected representatives. The elected representatives propose, develop, and create laws for the citizens to abide by.

This is us... the US, under a Democracy, we are a Federal Constitutional Republic, we use an elected president who heads the Executive Branch, one of our branches out of three.

These are just facts, in complete neutrality.

It is the opinion of some that DIRECT democracy can lead to mob rule chaos, anarchy, and tyranny.

CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country

To your last line about Direct democracy and mob rule. At individual state and local level we are much closer to a representative democracy. However, when one examines 50 individual states, many behaviors, beliefs, laws etc are different. For example, I would never move to CA, WA or OR because of their beliefs that harboring criminals from the federal government is perfectly ok. Why is that a potential situation to create mob rule or worse.

If the 2 states that gave HRC the majority v**e, but not the e*******l college win, were reversed to a simple majority v**e, HRC wins the entire 50 states. The democrats say every v**e counts but fail to read the Federalists papers to support their opinion. If the e*******l college was thrown out, 48 states v**ers would not mean a thing because a popular v**e is mathematically an average of an average across 50 states. The current form of selecting a president in our country ensures that each state gets fair representation in the v**e.
And I conclude by asking every democrat that wants to eliminate the e*******l college v**e, if they would be saying the same thing if CA and NY v**ed for republicans and gave GOP the majority v**e but not the e*******l college v**e. I think not.

It is time for all this nonsense to be put aside and get on with addressing the issues facing our country in free speech governing bodies to do what is best, not what brings power and corruption to our governing bodies.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

"It is the opinion of some". I like that. Actually, it is the opinion of anyone who ever looked into it with a greater interest than simply 'feeling' good. No democracy, ever, has survived beyond the people realizing that they can v**e themselves benefits from the treasury. Not a single one. That's why there is no surviving democracy on the face of the earth.

okie don

Thanks for expanding on this.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Hey, Kyle,
Hope you are well. I actually read some time back so this is just my memory of it. It was the Greeks I believe. Everyone v**ed on everything with a white stone or a black stone, white meaning yes. The article said that everyone took a turn in government with no "career" politicians. If I remember correctly, their civic duty was for one year. I may be wrong and I may have it mixed up, but as I remember it, I'm right on it.
For the sake of argument, let's just say that my memory is accurate. In this society, the majority always rules. Everything would be fine as long as the minority was happy. But, let's say that the minority is the minority ALL the time. Pretty soon, the minority would be pretty unhappy, because they never got what they wanted. Let's say that the ruling class, (the majority), didn't like the minorities and they v**ed on a law that prevented any minorities from owing land. What recourse would the minorities have against such a law? None.
This type of stacked power does not happen in a republic such as ours, because all people are represented in government, not just the biggest gang.
A prime example is the E*******l Collage. Without it, states like Alaska, Vermont, Maine, Rode Island, ect., would never have a voice, just like in the democracy I just described. Let's reverse that situation...without the E*******l Collage, California and New York would pretty much select every president, due to large populations and dominant liberalism.
Would that be fair? No...It would be almost impossible to elect any president without California and New York.
Kyle, I apologize if my memory failed me, but it's a good example anyway.
I've been pretty busy...I rode my 3 wheel homemade bike at the park where I work on Friday night, and I went back and played my homemade instrument, a diddleybow, on the bridge over Chattanooga Creek, a good 2 nights.
Your Friend,
David

Abel

Read Karl Marx and the Webster Dictionary. I doubt there has ever been an example of a complete or perfect democracy because no democracy has ever survived long enough to reach perfection or completion. The Pilgrims tried it when they landed at Plymouth Rock, and they nearly all died until they rejected democracy. Due to human nature, with it's greed and jealous nature, Democracy is no more than mob rule that devolves into tyrannical rule in order to have some kind of a strong leader with the necessary sk**ls that can direct the mob. Our Founding Fathers knew the dangers of democracy, which is why the word "democracy" never appears anywhere in our original founding documents.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Good evening Abel...

Haven't seen you around lately...

Hopefully you are in good health and Just taking a break from us

I like the way you think.. Cuts to the quick...

Marxism calls for a complete democracy... But it has never succeeded in implementing one.. The Soviets certainly didn't allow for it.... And the North Koreans have almost no say (Except for a select few)..

I think this argument is much like the socialism one going around...One side appears to be dealing in absolutes, while the other is dealing in grades....

No one would deny that America employs democratic methods to elect its officials... And that it is via the democratic process that policies and laws are brought into being...

Hope that you are well....