Mikeyavelli

It converted the kommiecrats here.

Nickolai

What's a kommiecrat Is that anything like the Russian agent that is occupying the oval office that sold the nation out to his buddy Putin

Seth

Masterpiece post, great l*****t comeback, three birds with one stone, Nikolai Nikolaevich Bolsheviksky: combining knowing what George Washington "didn't say" (How do you know, were you there to hear him not say it?) with equating ownership with s***ery and then just the touch of "remember when?" history based white guilt. Masterpiece!

bylm1-Bernie

I'm sure he's heard all of that, Seth, but I really don't think you're going to get anywhere. Sorry to say, although my mother-in-law, in my previous post did live to be 101 she never did change her mind, and, she never was hurt with a weapon. Hang in there.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Excellent response You deserve an A+ on that one!!!!

Mikeyavelli

Yep, even Mueller's getting free caviar and Crystal Champagne. Mueller glossed over the evidence, despite the mission Hillary gave him.
We'll never know. Trump got away with collusion!

Nickolai

Oh I have changed my mind Sen Barry writing his weekly syndicated news column managed to persuade me that conservatives had all the answers and could govern best and liberals and democrats were wrong. At the time I was a registered Democrat not because I knew anything but my parents were democrats. So my mother was not happy when I switched to Repblican since she had tought me that the Republican party was the party of big business but Goldwater was persuasive and I supported the party loyally for 30 years. Even though I was aware they wanted to destroy Social Security, were union busters, anti labor and pro management. I started my oswn business in 1978 and signed the labor agreement with the Carpenters and Painters unions. That year all the big developers and builders with drew from the master agreement in Concert. I rthought it was odd but did not see the conspiracy for another year. It would be a couple decades before I came to realize it was part of the conspiracy by business to declare war on labor and the middle class. The FDR New Deal had lifted millions of us out of poverty and into the middle class and the business class was sick and tired of sharing the nations wealth with the working class and responded to Lewis Powells 1971 memo ( also known as Powells manifesto) to the US chamber of Commerce which was a call to arms for corporations. By 1984 I was forced to with draw from the labor agreements when it was time to renew the contracts in order to survive the onslaught of scab contractors . At the time I was paying my union emloyees $20 per hr. plus $7.50 in benefits for a total package of $27.50 Today 35 years later a Journyman non union Carpenter earns and average of $26.50 per hr no benefits, and none of them can afford to buy a home in California anywhere near a city of any size.

Seth

bylm1-Bernie

They can't afford to buy a home in California? And why do you suppose that is? Do you think it might have something to do with how things are being run in Cali? Or maybe it's Bush's fault? Or Trumps? What blindness!

Seth

For a pro-union, socialist state, California sounds pretty chintzy with their unions -- my best friend was a union carpenter in NY and he was earning nearly $40.00 an hour with a ton of benefits before he had to retire (he blew out both knees on the job, requiring lengthy surgery and mechanical implants to replace his knees, and over 2 years of painful physical therapy to be able to walk with the implants).

Seth

What's really screwed up there is that after these "liberal" yuppies destroy a state like California for the middle class, they themselves often flee the resulting high cost of living and suffocating taxes for other, more affordable states, then v**e for more of the same "liberal" politicians and end up inflicting the same BS on the next state.

They are a pestilence that should be contained in the states they have initially screwed up, perhaps a "You made your bed, now sleep in it." law.

bylm1-Bernie

Bingo!

Nickolai

I know that the quote is not something G W would have said. The Second Amendment states: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The US was not a state but a Nation of states and m*****as were maintained only in the s***e states. Why was the term "free State" used, rather than "free Nation" or "free Country"? Actually, the term "free Country" appeared in the original version of the Second Amendment. However, the wording was changed to appease the s***e states. Why? Was it because influential s***eholders wanted the Bill of Rights to sanction s***e control m*****as? As H. M. Henry noted: "S***ery was not only an economic and industrial system ... it was a gigantic police system." Each southern police state was "kept safe"—at least for its white citizens—by armed m*****as. Unfortunately, if the free states wanted a Union, they would have to make a "deal with the Devil" in the form of terrible compromises with the s***e states. The first terrible compromise was to allow the ghastly institution of s***ery to be "legal" in the United States. A second terrible compromise can be found, ironically, in the Second Amendment. And that compromise is now allowing children to be gunned down by serial k**lers in schools like Virginia Tech University, Columbine High School, Parkland's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and even grade schools like Sandy Hook Elementary, thanks to the NRA and its gung-ho Second Amendment supporters.

Seth

I've been a life member of the NRA for many years, Nikolai, and have interacted with scores of other members over the years.

Every single one of us believes in and practices responsible, safe firearms ownership and handling, and I haven't met a single fellow member who acts like a "cowboy" or endorses anything but weapons safety and sensible gun policies.

We do, however, support Americans' Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

The vast majority of the anti-gun rhetoric you see and hear is entirely agenda-driven and totally uninformed bulls**t put out by people whose only goal is to disarm the population at all costs. Most of the "information" about "assault weapons" and other firearms these organizations put out is technically inaccurate to unbelievable degrees as are the statistics they cite -- it's all about an end justifying the means.

The "liberal" establishment has a nasty habit of forcing unnatural agendas on the rest of us that we want no part of, yet it's not enough; they also feel the need to get into our business and try to deprive us of Rights we enjoy under the Constitution.

The NRA are not the villains these liars make us out to be, we simply belong to an organization that supports a Constitutional right, endorses what I mentioned above and, contrary to "popular" belief, also supports such policies as game conservation, firearms education, safe hunting and other firearms sportsmanship and competitive shooting.

It's interesting to note, incidentally, that in countries like England, where it's very tough to obtain a firearm, knife crime has reached a point where it is as big an issue as gun control is here in America.

Go figure.

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

Before I forget the title and gist of what this thread was in the beginning, let me expound a bit on my plans and ambitions at age 16. I was requested to vacate the premises of what passed for a home with my dear old dad and his recent move in shack job. This was 2 days after graduating from high school. I was precisely 16 years 4 months and 24 days old. Apparently I was in the way of him starting his new family.
My mom had split the blanket when I was less than 2 years old. Lived with an aunt for the next 10 years.

At any rate, I knew who was president but knew absolutely nothing about politics. My primary concern was getting to work to earn money for the next meal.
Strange what comes up as important isn't it. I was in the Navy recruiters 2 days before my 17th birthday and left for boot camp 16 days later weighing in at a robust 123 pounds.

I only reiterate this story to let you know there are lots of stories out there and I might be a little hesitant to criticize anyone who enjoyed even a modest living and had time and parents to provide guidance in politics or anything else. I even bought my first bicycle with my own earnings ($72.34) paid for in installments from my paycheck. Not an extravagance since I needed t***sportation to get to work.
I recall once stopping a man on the sidewalk and giving him a nickel and asked him to show me how to dial a number in a phone booth.
I might add never saw a varsity game of anything, never had tv, telephone,