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Mar 23, 2019 09:28:54   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Louis wrote:
No, your not advocating what the founding fathers wanted when they designed the E*******l College. If they wanted what your talking about, they would have designed it that way. They designed it the way it is, so it would work exactly the way it worked in the 2016 e******n. This is what they foresaw happening, and was their solution for just such a problem.

The Democrats lost and they want to make sure it doesn’t happen again, that simple! Change the E*******l College, let i******s v**e, let sixteen year olds v**e, change the number of justices on the Supreme Court, wh**ever the democrats can do to tip the scales in their favor. They will stop at nothing.
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Great post Louis and welcome to the forum.
Semper Fi
MAGA

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Mar 23, 2019 11:11:25   #
Louis
 
Kickaha wrote:
Welcome to OPP, LOUIS. The founding fathers intent was to balance the differences between small states and large states, between rural a urban areas. The current method used by most states give all e*******l v**es to the winner of the statewide popular v**e. Currently, California gives all 55 e*******l v**es to the winner of the state, in the last e******n all 55 e*******l v**es went to Hillary Clinton. Under my suggestion, Hillary would have still received the majority of the e*******l v**es, but Donald Trump would have received 16 e*******l v**es. To be honest, Hillary would have received some e*******l v**es in states won by Donald Trump. In the analysis of the 2016 e******n, Donald Trump would still have won the Presidency, but by a smaller margin in the e*******l college. President Trump would have finished with 290 e*******l v**es, as opposed to his actual number of 306. In 2012, the results would have been dramatically different. In that e******n, Mitt Romney would have picked up 68 more v**es than his actual count of 206. In other words, Mitt would have ended up with 274 e*******l v**es meaning President Obama would have lost ree******n. Check out the site www.270towin.com, they give an excellent breakdown and analysis of various options for allocating e*******l v**es.
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As much as I would have preferred Romney over Obama in 2012, your argument still doesn’t sway me one bit. I still believe in the founding fathers original design. I think they showed a great amount of wisdom in making a fool proof blueprint to an e******n that best represents the interests of the entire county as a whole.

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Mar 23, 2019 20:48:24   #
JoyV
 
peg w wrote:
Why do we want to put someone in office that didn't win? This isn't demoracy . The e*******l College has outlived its usefulness.


Just who was it who didn't win the majority of the popular p**********l e******ns but was put in office? Trump handily won the majority of the popular e******ns.

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Mar 23, 2019 20:57:42   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
In a perfect world!
You have given us the textbook look at the situation.
Now give us the steps needed to bring us closer to the textbook answer.

I will say first the need is to look:
Nature & nurture.
When we take that into account it becomes an issue of those getting the best nurture do very much better.

Those missing out in getting the better nurturing seem to be left with a life with out much hope of ever escaping poverty.
Now in my eighty's I can see that over the years of the rich getting rich & the poor getting poorer.
The textbook way is not working.

Now I feel that you are a well educated intelligent person.
I have been on this site & have tried to find the right words to finding out how as a nation we can deal with this issue in a common sense way.

Please offer your views on this issue.
I personally have my life in control.
Having had a very nurturing up bring & along with by wife we have 7 children & 11 grandchildren plus 3 great grand kids. All getting great nurturing.

So I have first hand knowledge of what & how to do what is right.
Looking at the world around me I see many that don't get the level of nurturing needed.

You have turned on a light with in me to in my visits to this site to bring out the issue of nurturing.

So I am looking to you to bring a deeper look into the nurture verses nature issue.
I feel that this issue is very key to what is need to bringing a better under standing at least to the people on this site.

I think you would be the best person to start a topic on Nurture verses Nature.

Thank you for the great post.
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Solution? How about spreading the understanding that with maturity come changes. Someone doesn't stay the same physically or otherwise as they were when a teenager. To expect to remain unchanged is fantasy. To expect those who have grown to not have left their teens is stupidity. To use the fact that people mature in a study which accuses maturity of being a******lity is insanity. To teach college kids that maturity equals a******lity is unconscionable.

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Mar 23, 2019 20:58:38   #
JoyV
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You know, the current governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem, has introduced legislation requiring high school seniors to pass the US citizenship test before they can graduate.
(She also just signed permitless carry into law in her state.)
I may write her in for president.



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Mar 23, 2019 21:01:52   #
JoyV
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Because people who live in Wyoming are smart enough not to live in Mexifornia?



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Mar 24, 2019 00:43:23   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
Louis wrote:
As much as I would have preferred Romney over Obama in 2012, your argument still doesn’t sway me one bit. I still believe in the founding fathers original design. I think they showed a great amount of wisdom in making a fool proof blueprint to an e******n that best represents the interests of the entire county as a whole.


I agree that the E*******l College was a stroke of genius. I am just advocating for standardizing the rules. Currently the states can determine how e*******l v**es are allocated. By this reasoning, the case could be made that the states that want to throw their e*******l v**es to the winner of the national popular v**e. This would be contrary to the desires of our founding fathers. I chose the option of the 2 e*******l v**es represented by the senators, goes to the winner of the statewide popular v**e. The e*******l v**es as represented by the members of the house of representatives, be given to whichever candidate wins each congressional district.

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Mar 24, 2019 09:25:17   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Thank God the HildaBeast was not elected!



Amen, brother!!! Amen~~

Looking at the ones vying for contention now its going to be a clown show better than Barnum and Bailey~~

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Mar 24, 2019 09:41:05   #
Louis
 
Kickaha wrote:
I agree that the E*******l College was a stroke of genius. I am just advocating for standardizing the rules. Currently the states can determine how e*******l v**es are allocated. By this reasoning, the case could be made that the states that want to throw their e*******l v**es to the winner of the national popular v**e. This would be contrary to the desires of our founding fathers. I chose the option of the 2 e*******l v**es represented by the senators, goes to the winner of the statewide popular v**e. The e*******l v**es as represented by the members of the house of representatives, be given to whichever candidate wins each congressional district.
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I just see no reason for change, just for changes sake. There has been no failure of the system, it has worked as planned every e******n without exception. No need for fixing something that isn’t broken.

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Mar 24, 2019 12:34:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Louis wrote:
I just see no reason for change, just for changes sake. There has been no failure of the system, it has worked as planned every e******n without exception. No need for fixing something that isn’t broken.


Yep!
Lefties just can't handle a prosperous successful system.
Some still think Marxism is a good idea.

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Mar 24, 2019 16:12:05   #
JoyV
 
Kickaha wrote:
I agree that the E*******l College was a stroke of genius. I am just advocating for standardizing the rules. Currently the states can determine how e*******l v**es are allocated. By this reasoning, the case could be made that the states that want to throw their e*******l v**es to the winner of the national popular v**e. This would be contrary to the desires of our founding fathers. I chose the option of the 2 e*******l v**es represented by the senators, goes to the winner of the statewide popular v**e. The e*******l v**es as represented by the members of the house of representatives, be given to whichever candidate wins each congressional district.
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By standardizing you are placing more power in the Federal government and less in the states. Just one more thing given to the engorged federal government to enforce. Not to mention, each district, county, or parish do not have their own e*****rs. This is because the e*****rs cast the b****t for their state, not smaller local communities. The tabulated popular v**es of the state, are the basis the e*****rs are given to make their v**es.

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Mar 24, 2019 18:33:33   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
JoyV wrote:
By standardizing you are placing more power in the Federal government and less in the states. Just one more thing given to the engorged federal government to enforce. Not to mention, each district, county, or parish do not have their own e*****rs. This is because the e*****rs cast the b****t for their state, not smaller local communities. The tabulated popular v**es of the state, are the basis the e*****rs are given to make their v**es.

Each state has a specified number of e*****rs. Two, as represented by the number of senators, and others as represented by their number for members of the house of representatives. In the case of Nebraska, there are five e*****rs (Nebraska has two senators and three congressmen). In the case of California, there are 55 e*****rs (two senators and 53 congressmen). By dividing the e*****rs by the winner of each congressional district it will give a better representation of the will of the people nationwide. While awarding the e*****rs represented by the senators according to the winner of the statewide popular v**e.

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Mar 25, 2019 15:10:05   #
JoyV
 
Kickaha wrote:
Each state has a specified number of e*****rs. Two, as represented by the number of senators, and others as represented by their number for members of the house of representatives. In the case of Nebraska, there are five e*****rs (Nebraska has two senators and three congressmen). In the case of California, there are 55 e*****rs (two senators and 53 congressmen). By dividing the e*****rs by the winner of each congressional district it will give a better representation of the will of the people nationwide. While awarding the e*****rs represented by the senators according to the winner of the statewide popular v**e.
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My biggest problem is the fact that to standardize, it will be managed under the federal government, even if you agreed the system was a better one. This is currently Nebraska's choice. Standardizing take away the state's choice. Now once the choice is in the hands of the federal government, suppose down the road they choose another system?

But I also do not think the Nebraska system best reflect our founder's intent in any case.

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Mar 26, 2019 10:00:37   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
JoyV wrote:
My biggest problem is the fact that to standardize, it will be managed under the federal government, even if you agreed the system was a better one. This is currently Nebraska's choice. Standardizing take away the state's choice. Now once the choice is in the hands of the federal government, suppose down the road they choose another system?

But I also do not think the Nebraska system best reflect our founder's intent in any case.


There is no real reason to change the electro college.
We just need to free it from partisan politics.
The sooner v**ers stop letting others use their v**es to do things counter to the v**ers wishes the more of our problems would disappear.

As individuals we need to be looking as individuals to take the steps needed that political parties do.
Putting individuals on b****ts.

I say we need a dialog in how to best bring that about.
It is only our voices that we have that can lay the ground work towards that end.

If all we do is bring our fears of what may happen with changes in the way things are done.

We are left with:
The political parties have taken over the power of the people for the advantage of party leadership.
Leadership that has then been sold to the highest bidders.

No one who supports a political party with money is without blame.

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