okie don

Good luck getting this fact into many numbskulls brains on the site Chief. They keep saying the i******s v**es in CA, IL and NY made more total v**es and hence they won. These same Americans said the pledge all their lives saying " and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands", referring to the f**g. Talk about dumb. Cheeeeez

okie don

As you stated, we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Even Plato in his book ' REPUBLIC' stated a 'Democracy' leads to Tyranny' and the least desirable.

Airforceone

I am all in like I said the jury is out. We need to see the legislation. I am working on a new Topic because you really got me going on your Democracy request. It just carries over into so many areas. So I decided to do some real hard reseach to maybe getting everybody to understand what democratic and republican created socialistic agencies in our government and how these agencies support our capitalist. I will be interested in your thoughts.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Have just woken up...

Surprisingly hangover free...

Will look for it and contribute what I may...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I look foward to more of his writings as well...

There is so much more for all of us to learn about the founding of our country as well, so don’t feel left out ... 👍

If you get a chance or haven’t already done so the Federalist Papers are instrumental in the mindset of our framers..

In another thread you commented about me being a reader.. When for pleasure the Federalist Papers were a fascination well worth the read..

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Isn't that strange.
That sure fits what we have now.
Only it is not the population centers doing it now.

It just seems to be a hand full of people getting their way.

Seth

Your post, Floyd, assumes that the vast majority of Americans wanted Hillary to be the next president. Somewhere out there is a breakdown of the popular v**e results, I believe someone posted it here at OPP, that showed that the majority of those v**es were cast in large liberal cities and states like NY, Ca, Il, Ma, etc.

The e*******l college gave representation to all those other parts of the country wherein v**ers are just fine with America as the founders intended it to be, not as the left wants to remake it, as well as those highly populated liberal enclaves.

You can't always get what you want.

Live with it.

Airforceone

Not sure what you mean by liberal enclaves. I thought we were all Americans and it’s so sad when the will of the people v**es in one direction and the country goes in the opposite direction. What ever happened to majority rule, what happened to the old talking point e******ns have consequences, so your theory is that this country should be minority rules. We are all Americans and the will of Americans should be adhered to.

Why not take those so called liberal states and take a look at what those states contribute to the federal government and what they get back. Then look at red states and what they contribute and what they get back in federal funds. Why not look at the median income for states like Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana and compare them to the median income of a Massachusetts, California why not take those same states and see who has the lowest levels of poverty per capita. Your criticizing the states that support you and feed your poor and supply healthcare and education and the blue states pick up the tab.

These so called liberal states are supporting the red states in the south. I took a snap shot of median income, poverty levels, education of a couple of states that v**e democratic and the states that v**e right wing. As you can see the blue states pick up the cost to support Red states. But yet you continue to fight democratic value.

Just google those four states
Poverty level per capita
States that recieve more food stamps per capita.
States that recieve more goverment funds that they pay in.
States with the lowest level of education.

Also the e*******l college was put in our constitution to protect s***e states we don’t have s***e states anymore.

Seth

Many residents of those "higher contribution" states are also moving in almost en masse numbers to the "lesser contribution" states because the folks who flock to these "liberal enclaves" inflate costs of living and v**e in "progressive" politicians who seem to live for bionic taxation, driving out the "average Americans" who have lived there for decades on more mainstream incomes.

And yes, e******ns do have consequences -- we would certainly have suffered them had Hillary won in November 2016.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Just drop in any where & make what ever comment you wish.
Seeing I wasn't commenting to you I will just say hello & go.
Hello!
Good by!

Airforceone

That’s not true the only people that are moving is retires for warmer weather. That comment is so laughable.

This country would be in a hell of lot better shape had she been elected. I didn’t care for Hilliary but damm she would have maintain this countries credibility around the world and damm sure Russians would not be interfering with our e******ns.
The only way a Republican can win is gerrymandering, v**er purge, v**er suppression. And a lot of help from the Russians.

Seth

Warmer weather? People, including young ones, are fleeing California, including SoCal, in droves for Arizona and Texas, including parts of Texas where it snows and Winters are cold.

People are fleeing NY and Connecticut and Illinois and Jersey because of the same
things: rising costs of living and suffocating taxes imposed by "progressive" politicians who spend the people's money (I think one difference between a conservative and a "liberal" is that we conservatives haven't forgotten that the money in federal, state and city treasuries belongs to the taxpayer, not the politicians to throw around like mad money, while "liberals" believe that wh**ever lucre the politicians are able to wrest from the people is the "spoils of war") with the attitude that "there's plenty more where that came from."

If you've ever bought a house in most states, you must know what I'm talking about.

Mortgage or outright purchase aside, there are annual property taxes, homeowner's insurance, then monthly sewage & water, utilities, pest control, alarm system monitoring and maintenance, utilities, phone/ISP/cable and general upkeep/maintenance expenses, then of course the basics like paying income taxes, buying food and clothing, car payments and insurance, gas, health insurance, etc... When your property taxes and local income taxes skyrocket it makes a major difference in things like day-to-day survival, what goes toward emergency and retirement savings and even what you can afford to eat. If you are raising children on top of everything else...

So your "warmer weather" scenario falls apart before the average middle class American with average middle class financial requirements. And like it or not, the majority of families and individuals in America are middle class.

In "progressive" run states and cities, the Democrat politicians running things cater more to their wealthy "progressive" campaign donors, whose interests simply don't extend to "the middle class riff-raff."

Why do you think Hillary campaigned mainly to the elites in high-cost-of-living coastal cities and, against her husband's advice, virtually ignored, and even insulted, v**ers in more rural states?

And why aren't there mass exoduses from, say, the Dakotas or Montana for Florida or Arizona? Because people mostly prefer to live in their home states and usually do as long as they can afford it.

Like most "progressive" arguments, the only thing missing from yours is that one tiny little element called "human nature."