Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Please reread this thread (three pages) in it's entirety, and get back to me on that one.




Why do you assume that? Is that true of the Christians you've met? That is not my experience.

The correct response to your 2nd inquiry, Canuckus, would be, "No." It is my experience that they do not.

Could you provide the title and author of "The Bible's Deeper Meaning," to which you refer, keeping in mind Jesus' words:

"Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing." (John 18:20)?

This search for a "deeper meaning" smacks of Gnosticism, an elite secret knowledge for an elite few initiated ones, a concept inherited from the Mystery Religions.

In the words of Christian philosopher, Francis Schaeffer, "God has spoken and He does not stutter."

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Most Christians I have met have turned to the Bible as a source of wisdom and deep meaning...

I was refering to no book... Simply to reading the Bible and seeking wisdom from it..
Author: God and various prophets/ men of learning...

Perhaps I should have said 'Deeper understanding'

Rose42

Do you believe that the bible was divinely inspired or the work of men? Or both?

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Denial of "the paper pope" referring to the Bible, with a negative connotation is demonstratively untrue.

The criticism originated with Karl Barth, Swiss Calvinist Reformed theologian (b. 1886 d. 1968), who revealed his very low opinion of all those who actually believed the Bible, as it was written, for he said, "The "Fundamentalist" says he knows the Bible, but he must have become master over the Bible, which means master over revelation."

He continued: "The Error of the claim of Biblical Inerrancy is that inerrancy turns the Bible into a "Paper Pope" by elevating the Bible above all criticism (denying even internal material criticism where the Bible criticizes itself), and then citing the Bible in order to "control others."

Karl Barth's belief that he found "internal material criticism," i.e., of the Bible criticizing itself is nonsense. Also the accusation that quoting the Bible is done in an effort to "control others," was an eminently foolish statement on his part.

Only those who have chosen to twist God's word from it's original and obvious meaning have attempted to deceive or mislead others through its misuse.

Again, the very term "paper pope" used to describe the Word of God is an insult to every Bible believing Christian.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You know better than that! Although I'm not a Roman Catholic, Orthodox are very much a Catholic faith and in my entire life I have never witnessed such unmitigated, ignorant, arrogant and hate filled attacks as she, and a few others, have launch against them. That is the only reason I joined in the fray is because of the ganging up on them. What she claims on many issues is a complete rewrite and understanding of Christian history, Faith and practice. You are witnessing the exact same thing happening in our own American history and you are just as opposed to it as I am. You know the reason to rewrite our history. Zealots within Protestantism have done the same thing to the faith and practice of the first 1500 years of the Church. What, in effect, they are pushing is that until the 16th Century the Body of Christ, The Church Christ Himself established, failed and that, my friend, is a bloody lie. They forget Who He was! Personally, whatever she, you, or anyone else chooses to believe is on you. My objection is that she never misses a golden opportunity to keep her mouth shut on what other Christians believe, more specifically on what catholics believe. Ultimately, we all have many common beliefs, those for example against the hedonistic sins corrupting America. When we're fighting against one another the only winner is Satan who gleefully rubs his filthy hands together and laughs at us.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You say "Again, the very term "paper pope" used to describe the Word of God is an insult to every Bible believing Christian."

My reply to someone like you who believe you can correctly interpret Holy Scripture apart from the Body of Christ that actually wrote it, you Sola Scriptura believers, is that you use your faulty understanding of scripture to attack and insult those who believe scripture.......correctly, according to the mind of Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit since Pentecost: The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. A Body of Christians that existed 1500 years before the Reformation. You cast the first offense, the first insult you just don't believe you deserve an appropriate response. I intentionally used the term paper pope to emphasize how you use scripture as infallible to your personal interpretations in the same way you object to the Pope making infallible pronouncements. I personally have nothing against you but we are not called to sip the poisonous saps you offer as Truth without spitting it out! If you want to discriminate against someone's faith without rebuttal find a forum where that crap is tolerated. Otherwise join with all Christians in the Church Militant to fight against sin, the world and Satan. In case you haven't noticed they hate our children and they're stealing them and they're killing them!

Rose42

That is your opinion. Some of us see her posts much differently.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

And that is your own opinion! So what is your solution?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Both of course

Rose42

You mean without the guidance of the Holy Spirit?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I mean both...
Written by men, inspired by God...

Rose42

Ok thanks. Wasn't sure what you meant.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Not at all...
It's important that we ask for clarrification...
Otherwise we end up making false assumptions of each other's stances and beliefs...

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

We who follow "Sola Scriptura," i.e., Scripture Alone, are the Body of Christ, and we have been here over 2,000 years now.

When reviewing the historical record of the Passover or Easter controversy, it is undeniably seen that the early New Testament Church had no observance called Easter. They continued observing the Holy feast days of Passover, with a new significance and understanding of Jesus Christ as the Passover Lamb of God for over 300 years of Christianity's beginning history.

“There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers. The first Christians continued the observance of God’s Jewish festivals, though in the new spirit of the risen Christ, as commemorations of events which those festivals had previously foreshadowed” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, p. 828).

In addition, we are informed, “Neither the apostles, therefore, nor the Gospels, have anywhere imposed... Easter... The Savior and His apostles have enjoined us by no law to keep this Easter feast... And that the observance originated not by legislation of the apostles, but as a custom dictated upon the church by unauthorized men” (fourth century scholar, Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, Book V, chapter 22).

If you choose to be insulted by differing opinions than your own, that is your choice.

The inquisition, however, no longer reigns supreme over the hearts and souls of men.

Freedom of speech is still the law of this land.

It is still embedded in our U.S. Constitution.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Hi Canuckus,

For clarification,

"Shabbat Shalom" means Sabbath Peace, - surely not a rock of offense to many.