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Mar 24, 2019 09:27:18   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I can't say for sure about "leftists" but they seem a bit better informed than Trump supporters.


How so, would you elaborate on your opinion please?

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Mar 24, 2019 10:27:08   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I can't say for sure about "leftists" but they seem a bit better informed than Trump supporters.


"I can't say for sure about "leftists" but they seem a bit better informed than Trump supporters." - CSM

Seems you could use some more research.
After all you align with the likes of Bad Bob, Aiforceone, tNotMyPrez, moldyoldy, woodguru, and rumitoid.

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Mar 24, 2019 14:08:08   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"I can't say for sure about "leftists" but they seem a bit better informed than Trump supporters." - CSM

Seems you could use some more research.
After all you align with the likes of Bad Bob, Aiforceone, tNotMyPrez, moldyoldy, woodguru, and rumitoid.


Ain't that the truth !

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Mar 24, 2019 14:19:21   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
How so, would you elaborate on your opinion please?


Primarily because "leftists" get their news mostly from sources that put the information out there, good or bad and I have noticed that right wing sites tend to avoid news stories that may not be positive about Trump and/or spin their stories. At least that is what I have noticed. Of course you will say that MSM does that too, but in reverse. You may or may not have a point when talking about cable news. I wouldn't know, I don't watch cable news so I couldn't say one way or the other. What I can say is that the televised news I watch, it doesn't appear to place spin, they typically report it neutrally and let's their viewers decide if negative or positive. I can also say that I haven't noticed too many "surprises" when I read the news on the internet or newsprint (stories I was unaware existed due to not being televised), a few but not many. Say what you will about MSM (and I KNOW you will), but they don't typically show much if any bias (Mind you that I only refer to over the air televised and "center-left"/"center"/"center-right" print/online news) according to my experience.

During the period when the news was breaking about the lawsuit brought against Trump and Epstein, over the air news broadcasts chose NOT to run the stories while they DID choose to run the breaking news about James Comey telling the world that they were further investigating the Hillary Clinton E-mail scandal, RIGHT before elections, the investigation that went nowhere. It could be speculated that James Comey did that to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign as it isn't something that the FBI typically announces during an investigation. Based on what I have seen, it would seem that if they showed bias, it favored the Republicans, at least at that point.

I have also noticed that far too many "conservatives" tend to prefer their news from far right sources, sources that ONLY present one side of the story, sources that don't run negative content that might paint their party in a bad light, sources that demonize the opposition, stories full of spin, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. Misinformation/disinformation is worse than no information at all if you ask me. Of course, as I have seen your posts, seen your readiness to demonize Democrats, progressives, liberals and even centrists that don't agree with you while appearing to be buying into obvious propaganda and conspiracy theories. I am well aware that you will likely choose to argue or ignore the facts so of course I will just have to accept that fact and move on. I offer you the chance to prove me wrong, prove that you will at least consider the facts, prove that you can question the propaganda from the right, determine for yourself what is truth and fact and what is not. Shouldn't we ALL want ACTUAL facts, not just what supports our agendas?

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Mar 24, 2019 14:27:48   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"I can't say for sure about "leftists" but they seem a bit better informed than Trump supporters." - CSM

Seems you could use some more research.
After all you align with the likes of Bad Bob, Aiforceone, tNotMyPrez, moldyoldy, woodguru, and rumitoid.


Not at all, seems you need to step away from the fringe media you cleave to. Misinformation/disinformation is worse than no information. As for alignment, I may agree with them on many things, not all maybe, but many things, but then I am not blinded by hatred of Democrats nor love of Trump. I get my information from many sources, sources NOT afraid to tell the truth, sources that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them rather than feed my opinion to me. You should try it sometime.

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Mar 24, 2019 14:28:01   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Primarily because "leftists" get their news mostly from sources that put the information out there, good or bad and I have noticed that right wing sites tend to avoid news stories that may not be positive about Trump and/or spin their stories. At least that is what I have noticed. Of course you will say that MSM does that too, but in reverse. You may or may not have a point when talking about cable news. I wouldn't know, I don't watch cable news so I couldn't say one way or the other. What I can say is that the televised news I watch, it doesn't appear to place spin, they typically report it neutrally and let's their viewers decide if negative or positive. I can also say that I haven't noticed too many "surprises" when I read the news on the internet or newsprint (stories I was unaware existed due to not being televised), a few but not many. Say what you will about MSM (and I KNOW you will), but they don't typically show much if any bias (Mind you that I only refer to over the air televised and "center-left"/"center"/"center-right" print/online news) according to my experience.

During the period when the news was breaking about the lawsuit brought against Trump and Epstein, over the air news broadcasts chose NOT to run the stories while they DID choose to run the breaking news about James Comey telling the world that they were further investigating the Hillary Clinton E-mail scandal, RIGHT before elections, the investigation that went nowhere. It could be speculated that James Comey did that to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign as it isn't something that the FBI typically announces during an investigation. Based on what I have seen, it would seem that if they showed bias, it favored the Republicans, at least at that point.

I have also noticed that far too many "conservatives" tend to prefer their news from far right sources, sources that ONLY present one side of the story, sources that don't run negative content that might paint their party in a bad light, sources that demonize the opposition, stories full of spin, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. Misinformation/disinformation is worse than no information at all if you ask me. Of course, as I have seen your posts, seen your readiness to demonize Democrats, progressives, liberals and even centrists that don't agree with you while appearing to be buying into obvious propaganda and conspiracy theories. I am well aware that you will likely choose to argue or ignore the facts so of course I will just have to accept that fact and move on. I offer you the chance to prove me wrong, prove that you will at least consider the facts, prove that you can question the propaganda from the right, determine for yourself what is truth and fact and what is not. Shouldn't we ALL want ACTUAL facts, not just what supports our agendas?
Primarily because "leftists" get their n... (show quote)


"Primarily because "leftists" get their news mostly from sources that put the information out there, good or bad and I have noticed that right wing sites tend to avoid news stories that may not be positive about Trump and/or spin their stories" - Common_Sense_Matters

Not true.
Can you list any other conservative news site that protects the conservatives like all the other liberal networks protect the Dems?

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Mar 24, 2019 14:33:49   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Primarily because "leftists" get their news mostly from sources that put the information out there, good or bad and I have noticed that right wing sites tend to avoid news stories that may not be positive about Trump and/or spin their stories" - Common_Sense_Matters

Not true.
Can you list any other conservative news site that protects the conservatives like all the other liberal networks protect the Dems?


No, I can't, the sites I favor don't feed my opinions to me, I favor sites that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them. Now if you mean "conservative" sites that only pushes propaganda, sure, what sites you favor? make the list and that is the list I present to you.

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Mar 24, 2019 14:53:33   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
No, I can't, the sites I favor don't feed my opinions to me, I favor sites that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them. Now if you mean "conservative" sites that only pushes propaganda, sure, what sites you favor? make the list and that is the list I present to you.


" I favor sites that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them." - Common_Sense_Matters

So those sites are?

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Mar 24, 2019 16:45:23   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Primarily because "leftists" get their news mostly from sources that put the information out there, good or bad and I have noticed that right wing sites tend to avoid news stories that may not be positive about Trump and/or spin their stories. At least that is what I have noticed. Of course you will say that MSM does that too, but in reverse. You may or may not have a point when talking about cable news. I wouldn't know, I don't watch cable news so I couldn't say one way or the other. What I can say is that the televised news I watch, it doesn't appear to place spin, they typically report it neutrally and let's their viewers decide if negative or positive. I can also say that I haven't noticed too many "surprises" when I read the news on the internet or newsprint (stories I was unaware existed due to not being televised), a few but not many. Say what you will about MSM (and I KNOW you will), but they don't typically show much if any bias (Mind you that I only refer to over the air televised and "center-left"/"center"/"center-right" print/online news) according to my experience.

During the period when the news was breaking about the lawsuit brought against Trump and Epstein, over the air news broadcasts chose NOT to run the stories while they DID choose to run the breaking news about James Comey telling the world that they were further investigating the Hillary Clinton E-mail scandal, RIGHT before elections, the investigation that went nowhere. It could be speculated that James Comey did that to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign as it isn't something that the FBI typically announces during an investigation. Based on what I have seen, it would seem that if they showed bias, it favored the Republicans, at least at that point.

I have also noticed that far too many "conservatives" tend to prefer their news from far right sources, sources that ONLY present one side of the story, sources that don't run negative content that might paint their party in a bad light, sources that demonize the opposition, stories full of spin, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. Misinformation/disinformation is worse than no information at all if you ask me. Of course, as I have seen your posts, seen your readiness to demonize Democrats, progressives, liberals and even centrists that don't agree with you while appearing to be buying into obvious propaganda and conspiracy theories. I am well aware that you will likely choose to argue or ignore the facts so of course I will just have to accept that fact and move on. I offer you the chance to prove me wrong, prove that you will at least consider the facts, prove that you can question the propaganda from the right, determine for yourself what is truth and fact and what is not. Shouldn't we ALL want ACTUAL facts, not just what supports our agendas?
Primarily because "leftists" get their n... (show quote)


Thank for sharing with me the reasoning...

Believe it or not I am not rooted to either party and yes, lean right because I align myself to fiscal first in country and everything else secondary absent defense of our great nation...

I quit voting party some time ago and go with those most aligned to my beliefs..Centrists I’ll take note of as I would rather have more centrists than progressives or liberals.. Plenty of dem friends that I love for them but boy we argue Politicians and issues almost as passionately as it gets in here.. Just not the name calling part...

I don’t watch any news media regardless of the MSM, Fox, etc.. unless as I’m getting ready to change the channel when the news comes on and I happen to hear something.. Typically takes me all of three minutes to dismiss them in their take of something..I do listen to radio talk shows that have guest speakers and questions or comments of their listeners..I also search the web for comparison articles.. It seems anymore one will come out with a story that is then just adopted by another media source saying almost verbatim what the first published..Reddit and Twitter along with Facebook that I would never join are slanted as the day is long and do groom a certain base..

There is a movement to silence the conservatives and I find that not only dirty pool but an horrendous invasion of the First Amendment..

As for my local news its boring and slanted as well.. Not as bad, granted, but they all have an agenda depepending on who owns them.. Politico, Snopes etc are flagrantly oppressive and full of sh** most of the time..CNN is nothing but a bitch channel of hostility to the emph degree and I wouldn’t waste a second listening to the BS...

I come in here to get differing views that may just have some objectional news sources or post a cite New to me to check out ... Also have many discussions with my clients given their position, many very involved to the point of not only lobbying but great networking and yes includes republicans, dems, independants as well..


Most discussions in here go quick to name calling and lies based on the propaganda cite(s) they favor..Human nature for sure..

Do I believe either party at face value, heck no.. I spend more time vetting than enjoying..
Do I support either party, NO, I don’t ..If I have to label myself I guess I’m a right leaning Independant in belief..

I have read many of your posts and find agreement with a good bit because you are objective and throw out things that make me go looking for accuracy.. Thank You for that too.. I learn every single day and can change my mind if convinced and admit when I Know not enough, which is always...

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Mar 24, 2019 17:29:52   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
" I favor sites that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them." - Common_Sense_Matters

So those sites are?


One of which is right leaning https://thehill.com, but you wouldn't be interested in that site, it is after all a "rino" site.

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Mar 24, 2019 17:49:12   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank for sharing with me the reasoning...

Believe it or not I am not rooted to either party and yes, lean right because I align myself to fiscal first in country and everything else secondary absent defense of our great nation...

I quit voting party some time ago and go with those most aligned to my beliefs..Centrists I’ll take note of as I would rather have more centrists than progressives or liberals.. Plenty of dem friends that I love for them but boy we argue Politicians and issues almost as passionately as it gets in here.. Just not the name calling part...

I don’t watch any news media regardless of the MSM, Fox, etc.. unless as I’m getting ready to change the channel when the news comes on and I happen to hear something.. Typically takes me all of three minutes to dismiss them in their take of something..I do listen to radio talk shows that have guest speakers and questions or comments of their listeners..I also search the web for comparison articles.. It seems anymore one will come out with a story that is then just adopted by another media source saying almost verbatim what the first published..Reddit and Twitter along with Facebook that I would never join are slanted as the day is long and do groom a certain base..

There is a movement to silence the conservatives and I find that not only dirty pool but an horrendous invasion of the First Amendment..

As for my local news its boring and slanted as well.. Not as bad, granted, but they all have an agenda depepending on who owns them.. Politico, Snopes etc are flagrantly oppressive and full of sh** most of the time..CNN is nothing but a bitch channel of hostility to the emph degree and I wouldn’t waste a second listening to the BS...

I come in here to get differing views that may just have some objectional news sources or post a cite New to me to check out ... Also have many discussions with my clients given their position, many very involved to the point of not only lobbying but great networking and yes includes republicans, dems, independants as well..


Most discussions in here go quick to name calling and lies based on the propaganda cite(s) they favor..Human nature for sure..

Do I believe either party at face value, heck no.. I spend more time vetting than enjoying..
Do I support either party, NO, I don’t ..If I have to label myself I guess I’m a right leaning Independant in belief..

I have read many of your posts and find agreement with a good bit because you are objective and throw out things that make me go looking for accuracy.. Thank You for that too.. I learn every single day and can change my mind if convinced and admit when I Know not enough, which is always...
Thank for sharing with me the reasoning... br br ... (show quote)


Sounds like the best way to go, I may not completely agree with your assessments on some of the sites, but we each have our own experiences that color our perceptions. Many sites do tend to suspend/remove more "radical" users so I wouldn't necessarily take that as any obvious bias, I am sure that many opposing "radicals" face sanction as well. As long as one doesn't go too "extreme" they should be safe on Twitter, Facebook and Youtube. I really find it hard to believe that any of those sites are targeting users based on political influence. In fact, wouldn't you think that Trump himself is a good litmus test for whether they are targeting Republicans? since he is the most obvious target as everyone knows he is Republican, he says what he thinks with no filter, you would think he would be having troubles with his account by now if they were targeting right wing view points. Every site is entitled to have their own code of conduct and act upon those that are in violation. I think the more likely scenario is that perhaps they were prone to comments that were in violation of the site's CoC and that is likely why they have taken the actions that you claim they have taken.

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Mar 24, 2019 18:14:26   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not at all, seems you need to step away from the fringe media you cleave to. Misinformation/disinformation is worse than no information. As for alignment, I may agree with them on many things, not all maybe, but many things, but then I am not blinded by hatred of Democrats nor love of Trump. I get my information from many sources, sources NOT afraid to tell the truth, sources that lay out the facts and let's me choose what to make of them rather than feed my opinion to me. You should try it sometime.
Not at all, seems you need to step away from the f... (show quote)


" I am not blinded by hatred of Democrats nor love of Trump" - Common_Sense_Matters

Is it possible for you to not use generalizations and mis-truths, Common_Sense_Matters?

I call out the Republicans a lot also.

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Mar 24, 2019 19:04:30   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
" I am not blinded by hatred of Democrats nor love of Trump" - Common_Sense_Matters

Is it possible for you to not use generalizations and mis-truths, Common_Sense_Matters?

I call out the Republicans a lot also.


Yeah, I will believe that when I see it, you haven't yet that I have seen.

Wasn't a generalization, You truly DO hate Democrats, I have not seen you have one nice thing to say towards any Democrat and I DO truly believe that you love trump as do your media sources. Name one of your media sources that has anything but nice things to say about Trump. They might say something less than nice about him if he doesn't stay far right, if he even ventures just a smidgen towards center, but then I don't know, I avoid fringe media.

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Mar 25, 2019 17:37:46   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Yeah, I will believe that when I see it, you haven't yet that I have seen.

Wasn't a generalization, You truly DO hate Democrats, I have not seen you have one nice thing to say towards any Democrat and I DO truly believe that you love trump as do your media sources. Name one of your media sources that has anything but nice things to say about Trump. They might say something less than nice about him if he doesn't stay far right, if he even ventures just a smidgen towards center, but then I don't know, I avoid fringe media.
Yeah, I will believe that when I see it, you haven... (show quote)


"You truly DO hate Democrats, I have not seen you have one nice thing to say towards any Democrat..." - Common_Sense_Matters

Could you give an example of anything positive I should have to say about Democrats?

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Mar 25, 2019 17:44:22   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Yeah, I will believe that when I see it, you haven't yet that I have seen.

Wasn't a generalization, You truly DO hate Democrats, I have not seen you have one nice thing to say towards any Democrat and I DO truly believe that you love trump as do your media sources. Name one of your media sources that has anything but nice things to say about Trump. They might say something less than nice about him if he doesn't stay far right, if he even ventures just a smidgen towards center, but then I don't know, I avoid fringe media.
Yeah, I will believe that when I see it, you haven... (show quote)


I am totaly against NeoCONS. NWO Democrats posing as Republicans.

NeoCONs

"Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s. Many of its adherents rose to political fame during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush, George H W Bush and Tony Blair, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer.

The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism. Neoconservatives frequently advocate the promotion of democracy and promotion of American national interest in international affairs, including by means of military force, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism. Many early neoconservative thinkers were Jewish and published articles in Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee. They spoke out against the New Left, and in that way helped define the movement. C. Bradley Thompson, a professor at Clemson University, claims that most influential neoconservatives refer explicitly to the theoretical ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss (1899–1973), though in doing so they may draw upon meaning that Strauss himself did not endorse."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

A left wing socialist, is not a neocon.
A NeoCON is typically a wolf/X democrat in Republican clothing. Bill Kristol is a good example, as well as other CFR pundits on FOX.
The Fascist arm of the Zio NWO.

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