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Mar 10, 2019 20:41:47   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
moldyoldy wrote:
NY and NJ go there to retire in the sun.


The ones from NJ don't need the sun. They already glow in the dark.

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Mar 10, 2019 21:36:52   #
maryjane
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
V****g is one of the fundamental rights and privileges of any democratic nation...

In the past months there have been numerous threads concerning v***r f***d and illegal practices...

Yet one wonders about the wisdom of allowing individuals with split allegiances to v**e in e******ns that effect the entire nation...

Numerous citizens from Canada and Mexico (as well as a host of other nations) have achieved dual citizenship and are legally allowed to v**e in American e******ns...

Given the recent tensions between these respective nations is it truly wise to allow these individuals to v**e.... Can their allegiance to the States be considered impartial... Will they exercise their democratic rights in an unbiased manner...

To all of the OPP members...
What is your perspective?
V****g is one of the fundamental rights and privil... (show quote)


I am totally against duel citizenship because a person simply cannot have undivided allegiance to two nations. This very issue is what led to the incarceration of Japanese Americans during WW2. Though that action was wrong because that group were actually US citizens only, but it is easy to understand the concern at that time about their allegiance and loyalty. Today, we have about 50+ million Mexicans, including about 20 million i******s living in our country. Mexico, a few years ago, went to great effort to ensure that Mexicans having become US citizens understood that their were still Mexican citizens, even inventing the slogan of " Mexican citizens living in another country." Mexico was (and continues to) trying to make sure their people living here NEVER became real Americans and always retained their allegiance to Mexico only. All the s**mming asylum seekers from El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamalia, etc, are the same, coming here only for material gain for themselves, but never actually assimulating, no intention or desire of becoming Americans. Just think, every single year we deliberately add a million plus foreigners to our population, people having no commonalities with Americans or America, just poor folks wanting our material wealth for themselves. Have you all ever wondered how many of these annual million plus strangers actually EVER become US citizens? I'd be willing to bet that at least half do not. Just think about how powerless it makes our country to have millions and millions and millions of people living here, taking every advantage of our nation, without being one of us, without any fellow feelings with Americans, without any allegiance to the USA. Suppose a war broke out between the US and Mexico, where would all these Mexicans in our country stand, where would their loyalties lie, with the country where they live OR with the country of their heart, customs, language, etc?? Personally, I think legal immigration should be severely restricted today simply because we have NO need of more people and the few we allow should renounce all allegiance to their birth nations because they should be moving here for something much greater than person material gain. If the very foundations of our nation are not their reasons, then they are not the people we need.

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Mar 10, 2019 21:44:24   #
maryjane
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Agreed. Years ago, while researching a different aspect of citizenship, I read that the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. As part of an immigrant’s naturalization process, they are told/made to renounce any and all allegiance to the country from which they came. However, regardless of that, we know that those with dual citizenship do v**e. The name that comes to me at present is Ted Cruz, though he ultimately renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2014(?) obviously he has v**ed numerous times. Should they be allowed to v**e? In my opinion, no, for reasons alluded to in the opening post.

(Great question Canuckus )
Agreed. Years ago, while researching a different a... (show quote)


I have read about the Mexicans that have acquired US citizenship and v**e here AND in Mexico. Even read about the last Mexican p**********l race where the opposing candidate actually held rallies here in the US to get Mexicans living here to v**e for him. Not sure about this, but seem to recall that Mexicans here could v**e at the Mexican embassy wherever they were living (Texas, Georgia, etc). Of course, the i******s here could always return long enough to v**e just as I am sure many return to visit and return here without problem.

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Mar 10, 2019 22:33:59   #
moldyoldy
 
maryjane wrote:
I am totally against duel citizenship because a person simply cannot have undivided allegiance to two nations. This very issue is what led to the incarceration of Japanese Americans during WW2. Though that action was wrong because that group were actually US citizens only, but it is easy to understand the concern at that time about their allegiance and loyalty. Today, we have about 50+ million Mexicans, including about 20 million i******s living in our country. Mexico, a few years ago, went to great effort to ensure that Mexicans having become US citizens understood that their were still Mexican citizens, even inventing the slogan of " Mexican citizens living in another country." Mexico was (and continues to) trying to make sure their people living here NEVER became real Americans and always retained their allegiance to Mexico only. All the s**mming asylum seekers from El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamalia, etc, are the same, coming here only for material gain for themselves, but never actually assimulating, no intention or desire of becoming Americans. Just think, every single year we deliberately add a million plus foreigners to our population, people having no commonalities with Americans or America, just poor folks wanting our material wealth for themselves. Have you all ever wondered how many of these annual million plus strangers actually EVER become US citizens? I'd be willing to bet that at least half do not. Just think about how powerless it makes our country to have millions and millions and millions of people living here, taking every advantage of our nation, without being one of us, without any fellow feelings with Americans, without any allegiance to the USA. Suppose a war broke out between the US and Mexico, where would all these Mexicans in our country stand, where would their loyalties lie, with the country where they live OR with the country of their heart, customs, language, etc?? Personally, I think legal immigration should be severely restricted today simply because we have NO need of more people and the few we allow should renounce all allegiance to their birth nations because they should be moving here for something much greater than person material gain. If the very foundations of our nation are not their reasons, then they are not the people we need.
I am totally against duel citizenship because a pe... (show quote)



So many US expats living in Asia, with US citizen children who have never been here. Those expats still v**e.
In addition, there is a population of Filipino Americans, who were born in the United States, who are immigrating to the Philippines, known as "baliktad". The total number of US citizens living in the Philippines is more than 220,000, with estimates reaching as high as 600,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_settlement_in_the_Philippines

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Mar 10, 2019 22:46:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
moldyoldy wrote:
So many US expats living in Asia, with US citizen children who have never been here. Those expats still v**e.
In addition, there is a population of Filipino Americans, who were born in the United States, who are immigrating to the Philippines, known as "baliktad". The total number of US citizens living in the Philippines is more than 220,000, with estimates reaching as high as 600,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_settlement_in_the_Philippines


Should expats be allowed to v**e?
I have resided outside of Canada for the past fifteen years and feel tgat I have no business v****g in our e******ns...
Although I may add my voice against Trudeau if a decent contender arises...

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Mar 10, 2019 23:10:42   #
moldyoldy
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Should expats be allowed to v**e?
I have resided outside of Canada for the past fifteen years and feel tgat I have no business v****g in our e******ns...
Although I may add my voice against Trudeau if a decent contender arises...


they still pay taxes.

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Mar 10, 2019 23:13:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
moldyoldy wrote:
they still pay taxes.


Good point...

My American expat friends h**e that...

That was a policy that arose fairly recently I recall....Doesn't seem right...

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