Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I gave you the regions...but, this type of question often leads to a misunderstanding simply because most people are too lazy to simply read, let along study, the history of the region in question. If I told you that the Jews paid for 5 percent of the land in Israel, then the automatic assumption is the land then had to belong to Palestinians.... which is a mistake because there was no Palestine during that time. Further, these people who lived in the area did not own the land. Much of it belonged too absentee landlords and when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, these landlords were eager to sell off the acres of barren desert. Those living or actually more accurately, transiting the region to and from Egypt, could not or indeed were uninterested in buying sand. One of the people who sold a lot of land to Jews was Haj Amin al-Husseini . He was a terrible Jew hater, but he had no problem with selling useless land for high prices and kicking out the Arab tenants.

During WWII Haj Amin al-Husseini became a Nazi general, leading the Muslim Waffen SS Handschar division. He was personally responsible for killing thousands of European Jews. In one incident alone he sent more than 60,000 Jewish children to Nazi gas chambers. He was one of the Palestinian leaders obsessed with killing all the Jews in the 1948 war. Afterwards, as an absentee landlord his lands became owned by the Israeli government. The same happened with land owned by other absentee landlords. That is why the Israeli government today owns most of the land in Israel.

This is a shortened explanation, but I have been chide by others for being too long winded. But, I would suggest that you read more on the relationship Hitler had with muslims..... it is interesting.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

This thread addresses Israel.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

It was a simple query... Just curious...

I fail to see the logic of the stated assumption... The land belonged to the Ottoman empire... It was divided up after the fall of the empire... It could be argued that many of the divisions were done poorly... But it is what it is...


Why would I be interested in Hitler's relationship with Muslims?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

We understand your position... over time you have made yourself clear. So, let us just say that you and I disagree. Yes, it is unfair what Israel has given up in the name of peace....

Anyway, as a "professor" why would you not be interested in history? And the relationship the Nazi had with muslims.... it explains much of the issues in the Middle East even today. As George Santayana is quoted "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (often misquoted as saying those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it).

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I am not sure who 'we' are?
Nor do I think I have conversed with you on the topic of Israel...
How could we disagree on something we have never conversed on?

My historical interests lie more with the British Empire..Especially its asian and New world colonies.... I also enjoy researching various ethnic groups...
It has been many years since I spent time on the Nazis... It might be Interesting... Could you recommend a good book or website (preferably a website... my buy list for books is extensive enough already )

I will ask you once more... What is with the quotation marks around the word "professor"?
I find it extremely disrespectful...


Edit: Israel has made some excellent concessions towards peace over the years...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The quotes around "professor" is not disrespectful, I put them there because I do not know if you are a "teacher" or have gained the status of "professor." So as to not mislead or presume, I put the quotes to enable you to correct my representation of your status.

I do not recommend information found on the web, it is often misquoted and misused to prove points. It is not a source of authority in my opinion. Being that you work for Jiamusi University and they recruit Americans.... surely they have a library that you can use.

We have not discussed many things.... but, that has not stopped me from reading your replies to other people. One can learn much about people from what they write, even if you are not the intended audience. Poppa once told me, the mouse knows more about your home and those you live with than most family members. In this he was telling me to listen and learn.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I am classified as a teacher... As I have consistently stated on any number of threads to numerous members...
Jiamusi University has a library that is mostly in Chinese and has few books pertaining to the subjects that we are discussing... I agree that much of what one reads on tbe internet is questionable...

I try not to assume that I know the stances of other people... You (as well as other members) have mistaken my stances a number of times... I ask questions when I am uncertain of what is being stated or am unfamiliar with the topic... This is also an excellent method to bring about greater understanding...

Edit: It seems that we have strolled off topic... My apologies... I was merely interested in the thread and wished to comment... Then I read the dialogue between you and Rumitoid and interjected... It was not my intention to derail the thread...

Rose42

In the end times the antichrist makes a 7 year covenant with Israel and there will be peace but that will be broken halfway through and when that peace is shattered Israel will be persecuted by all not just its surrounding enemies.

Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11 are just a few verses pointing to this.

It will happen but exactly when and by whom is not clear. However, in the end the Jews will be victorious. Satan and his minions will be defeated for good.

That's the condensed version of the Reader's Digest condensed version....

bahmer

My personal belief from studying the bible is that the destruction of Israel that Christ was talking about occurred in 70 A.D. and therefore has already happened. Also from studying the Bible I believe that the Lord God will fight for Israel in these last days and that they will not be destroyed. I believe that the Jewish people are Gods chosen and that He will watch over Israel and keep them safe. I have also listened to Walid Shoebat who is a Muslim that left the Muslim religion if you can call it that and has sense become a christian and he gives his interpretation of what will happen in the end times from his reading of the Old Testament as we call it. He said that the Lord will walk among the Muslim nations and destroy them and he was referring to Ezekiel where the Lord is seen and his raiment's are crimson from the blood of the Muslims. Peace will return to the middle east at the coming of our Lord and Savior and the judging of the nations. That is my humble opinion for what it is worth.

rumitoid

And by the New Testament, all nation governments of the world are under Satan's sway. Israel, to Christ, is not some land of worldly laws and borders. It is a spiritual symbol.

rumitoid

Adjacent to that belief about the destruction of Israel, Revelation must be taken to concur.