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Mar 7, 2019 00:36:24   #
dongreen76
 
JoyV wrote:
And a liberal continues to complain about our democracy and can never understand that WE ARE NOT a DEMOCRACY! We are a republic! Understanding our own constitution is far more important than understanding Marxism unless your goal is to live in a Marxist nation. But if you want to understand about freedom, not about democracy; read the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!


So all the teacher's in the academic world are teaching the youths wrong,So we are adverse to the Republic of China for nothing,not to mention that that is still a Russian republic even though their no longer the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.
Have ever see the classic movie inherit the wind.The teacher taught a curriculum (Darwin's theory of Evolution)that was not sanctioned by the governing academic boards and he was put on trial, possibly pending his dismissal.The point is ,is that if a teacher is teaching anything other than the prescribed curriculum they run the risk of being of being terminated.They teach that first and foremost that this a Democracy.
I suggest that you study up and comprehend the meanings and definitions of Republics, democracies Socialisim, c*******m, Mercantilism, Monarchies,dictatorships, ogliarchisim, f*****m,You should learn to understand to distinguish between those doctrines that are social governing doctrines and those that are economic doctrines.

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Mar 7, 2019 04:30:14   #
JoyV
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Isn't that the constitution that did not include American Indians as citizens?


The United States Constitution did not list which people could be citizens. The laws regarding American Indians were not part of the US Constitution. In fact, the constitution gave the basis for them to be overturned. They were overturned in 1978, the year I was discharged from the Army. My friends and family celebrated.

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Mar 7, 2019 05:34:05   #
JoyV
 
dongreen76 wrote:
So all the teacher's in the academic world are teaching the youths wrong,So we are adverse to the Republic of China for nothing,not to mention that that is still a Russian republic even though their no longer the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.
Have ever see the classic movie inherit the wind.The teacher taught a curriculum (Darwin's theory of Evolution)that was not sanctioned by the governing academic boards and he was put on trial, possibly pending his dismissal.The point is ,is that if a teacher is teaching anything other than the prescribed curriculum they run the risk of being of being terminated.They teach that first and foremost that this a Democracy.
I suggest that you study up and comprehend the meanings and definitions of Republics, democracies Socialisim, c*******m, Mercantilism, Monarchies,dictatorships, ogliarchisim, f*****m,You should learn to understand to distinguish between those doctrines that are social governing doctrines and those that are economic doctrines.
So all the teacher's in the academic world are tea... (show quote)


Many nations have the word republic in their name. This does not make them a republic. C*******m, which is what both countries you mentioned were; is diametrically opposed to republicanism. A republic has a bottom up structure. This in ensured by our e*******l college. C*******m is top down, ruled by an elite. Democracy is mob rule by popularity.

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

Socialism comes in various types and forms. A common point in socialist rule is collectivism. In the extreme cases, such as strict c*******m, there is no private property but all is owned collectively (public). In a f*****t state; there is some private property, at least in name. But the state can take it for redistribution for no reason. All businesses must produce what the state dictates, the amount the state dictates, sold or distributed to who the state dictates, employ who the state dictates, and can have any product or profit confiscated at any time for no reason. This is NOT what is considered a private business in the free world. In fact virtually all aspects of the people's live are subject to total government control. Up to and including reproduction. The government can even tell you who to mate, require a******ns for failure to obey their mating orders, and mandate sterilization for those considered less desirable. In the less extreme democratic socialist states there is often a combination of free market economy with far reaching socialist programs paid for by the capitalists.

I don't blame the teachers. Just as in your example, they have very little control over what subjects are taught in public schools. Civics and history are rarely taught. In fact I haven't seen a strictly civics textbook in an public school for decades. The most used 'so called' civics textbook in high schools is Magruder's American Government. I've included a link to a critique of the book. https://slate.com/culture/2002/09/america-s-best-selling-civics-textbook-poll-tested-and-super-sized.html

And the textbooks labeled ''history" are often a combination of social sciences and ideology propaganda. When there is any history it is mostly revisionist and full of r****t hatred. Things like painting Thomas Jefferson as a r****t and raper of s***es. While anyone actually checking records could find that when Thomas Jefferson inherited his plantation, he attempted to free all his s***es and even began having manumission papers drawn up. But the plantation was in debt and Virginia law declared that any s***e freed could be taken as debt payment and sold at auction. Due to Jefferson's attempt, a new law was passed forbidding s***e manumission within the state. As for the story of Sally, she was a child companion of his little girl. After he had been in France for some time, his daughter and her companion were sent over. They were about 8 years old. As for the descendants, DNA testing traced them to the uncle of Thomas Jefferson. But these are the sorts of things in high school history books.

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Mar 7, 2019 09:55:58   #
Sicilianthing
 
Peewee wrote:
I don't think the USA went from sea to shining sea when the Constitution was written. As long as the practice of counting c**p, raiding, and scalping was going on the Indians were dealt with by the War Department. I think after the Civil War that would be mostly Northern military leaders. Just saying, the South was decimated and dealing with carpetbaggers during most of the western migration. General Miles was hard but fair, but Custer was an i***t who truly looked down on the Indians and a showboat and was wiped out. Of course, the Indians had to pay big time for that and lost lives and the Black Hills and their gold. A certain group of northerners has always been thieves. It doesn't matter what color you are. The railroad titans were also northerners who imported the Chinese as basically s***e labor after freeing the black s***es of the south. Go figure. So a hundred years later northerners started the civil rights wars too. But some way you always look like the good guys and make everyone else look twice as evil. Now your mask is falling off and America is watching and waking up.
I don't think the USA went from sea to shining sea... (show quote)


>>>

JACKPOT!

That’s a great Post Peewee... seriously nails it.

Not to mention that the usual suspect from the north like in those RailRoads were heavily funded from across the Pond.

And those usual suspects from across the Pond (insert here) were fueling, paying, supplying and re supplying both sides of the war all the way until the end.

But, people dont want to learn their true history.

Trump doesn’t even know how it happened I’m told so he’s just as guilty by inactions or associations.

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Mar 7, 2019 09:57:38   #
Sicilianthing
 
dongreen76 wrote:
So all the teacher's in the academic world are teaching the youths wrong,So we are adverse to the Republic of China for nothing,not to mention that that is still a Russian republic even though their no longer the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.
Have ever see the classic movie inherit the wind.The teacher taught a curriculum (Darwin's theory of Evolution)that was not sanctioned by the governing academic boards and he was put on trial, possibly pending his dismissal.The point is ,is that if a teacher is teaching anything other than the prescribed curriculum they run the risk of being of being terminated.They teach that first and foremost that this a Democracy.
I suggest that you study up and comprehend the meanings and definitions of Republics, democracies Socialisim, c*******m, Mercantilism, Monarchies,dictatorships, ogliarchisim, f*****m,You should learn to understand to distinguish between those doctrines that are social governing doctrines and those that are economic doctrines.
So all the teacher's in the academic world are tea... (show quote)


>>>

America is Sovereign, that’s the only Doctrine that matters.

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Mar 7, 2019 14:27:13   #
redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX
 
JoyV wrote:
Many nations have the word republic in their name. This does not make them a republic. C*******m, which is what both countries you mentioned were; is diametrically opposed to republicanism. A republic has a bottom up structure. This in ensured by our e*******l college. C*******m is top down, ruled by an elite. Democracy is mob rule by popularity.

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

Socialism comes in various types and forms. A common point in socialist rule is collectivism. In the extreme cases, such as strict c*******m, there is no private property but all is owned collectively (public). In a f*****t state; there is some private property, at least in name. But the state can take it for redistribution for no reason. All businesses must produce what the state dictates, the amount the state dictates, sold or distributed to who the state dictates, employ who the state dictates, and can have any product or profit confiscated at any time for no reason. This is NOT what is considered a private business in the free world. In fact virtually all aspects of the people's live are subject to total government control. Up to and including reproduction. The government can even tell you who to mate, require a******ns for failure to obey their mating orders, and mandate sterilization for those considered less desirable. In the less extreme democratic socialist states there is often a combination of free market economy with far reaching socialist programs paid for by the capitalists.

I don't blame the teachers. Just as in your example, they have very little control over what subjects are taught in public schools. Civics and history are rarely taught. In fact I haven't seen a strictly civics textbook in an public school for decades. The most used 'so called' civics textbook in high schools is Magruder's American Government. I've included a link to a critique of the book. https://slate.com/culture/2002/09/america-s-best-selling-civics-textbook-poll-tested-and-super-sized.html

And the textbooks labeled ''history" are often a combination of social sciences and ideology propaganda. When there is any history it is mostly revisionist and full of r****t hatred. Things like painting Thomas Jefferson as a r****t and raper of s***es. While anyone actually checking records could find that when Thomas Jefferson inherited his plantation, he attempted to free all his s***es and even began having manumission papers drawn up. But the plantation was in debt and Virginia law declared that any s***e freed could be taken as debt payment and sold at auction. Due to Jefferson's attempt, a new law was passed forbidding s***e manumission within the state. As for the story of Sally, she was a child companion of his little girl. After he had been in France for some time, his daughter and her companion were sent over. They were about 8 years old. As for the descendants, DNA testing traced them to the uncle of Thomas Jefferson. But these are the sorts of things in high school history books.
Many nations have the word republic in their name.... (show quote)


Well said. Thanks for the time.

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Mar 7, 2019 14:35:39   #
redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX
 
JoyV wrote:
The most used 'so called' civics textbook in high schools is Magruder's American Government. I've included a link to a critique of the book. https://slate.com/culture/2002/09/america-s-best-selling-civics-textbook-poll-tested-and-super-sized.html


Interesting critique. Not a book I would read. However, a pitch for Hillsdale College's free online courses. I haven't spent too much time there because I spend too much time here.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/

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Mar 7, 2019 15:05:18   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Peewee wrote:
I don't think the USA went from sea to shining sea when the Constitution was written. As long as the practice of counting c**p, raiding, and scalping was going on the Indians were dealt with by the War Department. I think after the Civil War that would be mostly Northern military leaders. Just saying, the South was decimated and dealing with carpetbaggers during most of the western migration. General Miles was hard but fair, but Custer was an i***t who truly looked down on the Indians and a showboat and was wiped out. Of course, the Indians had to pay big time for that and lost lives and the Black Hills and their gold. A certain group of northerners has always been thieves. It doesn't matter what color you are. The railroad titans were also northerners who imported the Chinese as basically s***e labor after freeing the black s***es of the south. Go figure. So a hundred years later northerners started the civil rights wars too. But some way you always look like the good guys and make everyone else look twice as evil. Now your mask is falling off and America is watching and waking up.
I don't think the USA went from sea to shining sea... (show quote)

"northerners started the civil rights wars"???
Oh, you're right. MLK was from northern Georgia.

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Mar 7, 2019 15:40:36   #
acknowledgeurma
 
JoyV wrote:
The United States Constitution did not list which people could be citizens. The laws regarding American Indians were not part of the US Constitution. In fact, the constitution gave the basis for them to be overturned. They were overturned in 1978, the year I was discharged from the Army. My friends and family celebrated.

Hmm, it seems to me, it is entirely up to Congress (and SCOTUS), whether American Indians are US citizens and it is based on the commerce clause of Article I to "regulate Commerce with … the Indian Tribes."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/politics/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/american-indians-and-constitution

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Mar 7, 2019 15:53:50   #
ken davis
 
Looks like it came from a baby! Narrow Minded is another term for Liberal! They pretend to be open minded but its a show! There is nothing good about Progressive Liberalism! Just another way to to tear up the constitution & make a new one! G****l W*****g is a Liberal H**x to make drastic changes! Zero evidence that man is the cause! When scientists can say why Earth had so many Ice Ages I might begin to believe some! However many including Nobel Laureates disagree with claim is caused by humans!

I support everything Trump has done! Regardless of the h**e & Resistance exhibited by Liberals I believe he is doing what is right for America! Trump2020

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Mar 7, 2019 15:57:25   #
ken davis
 
I agree with Joyv 100% Right On!

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Mar 7, 2019 16:00:02   #
ken davis
 
Trump knows and understands! So, now you have been told by a conservative, not a Progressive Liberal!
As you seem to get your info from what you are told, you have been enlightened!

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Mar 7, 2019 18:18:03   #
acknowledgeurma
 
JoyV wrote:
And the textbooks labeled ''history" are often a combination of social sciences and ideology propaganda. When there is any history it is mostly revisionist and full of r****t hatred. Things like painting Thomas Jefferson as a r****t and raper of s***es. While anyone actually checking records could find that when Thomas Jefferson inherited his plantation, he attempted to free all his s***es and even began having manumission papers drawn up. But the plantation was in debt and Virginia law declared that any s***e freed could be taken as debt payment and sold at auction. Due to Jefferson's attempt, a new law was passed forbidding s***e manumission within the state. As for the story of Sally, she was a child companion of his little girl. After he had been in France for some time, his daughter and her companion were sent over. They were about 8 years old. As for the descendants, DNA testing traced them to the uncle of Thomas Jefferson. But these are the sorts of things in high school history books.
And the textbooks labeled ''history" are ofte... (show quote)

As for, "...the descendants [of Sally Hemings], DNA testing traced them to the uncle of Thomas Jefferson", seeing as how that uncle died in 1765, it is unlikely that any of the children of Sally Hemings (born 1773) were his. But it is understandable how a quick read might lead one to think this.
This New York Times article gives a short explanation of the study that indicates that Thomas Jefferson was the father of at least one of Sally Hemings' children.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/01/us/dna-test-finds-evidence-of-jefferson-child-by-s***e.html

This also tells about the study:
https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-s***ery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account

Whether Jefferson was "a r****t and raper of s***es", might depend on how one defines "r****t" and "raper".

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Mar 7, 2019 18:20:15   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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America is Sovereign, that’s the only Doctrine that matters.

Not the individual? What do you say JoyV?

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Mar 7, 2019 23:39:34   #
debeda
 
ken davis wrote:
Looks like it came from a baby! Narrow Minded is another term for Liberal! They pretend to be open minded but its a show! There is nothing good about Progressive Liberalism! Just another way to to tear up the constitution & make a new one! G****l W*****g is a Liberal H**x to make drastic changes! Zero evidence that man is the cause! When scientists can say why Earth had so many Ice Ages I might begin to believe some! However many including Nobel Laureates disagree with claim is caused by humans!

I support everything Trump has done! Regardless of the h**e & Resistance exhibited by Liberals I believe he is doing what is right for America! Trump2020
Looks like it came from a baby! Narrow Minded is a... (show quote)


AGREED, Ken

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