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Mar 4, 2019 19:46:11   #
Morgan
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
I didn't realize you were from da Bronx.


Schmedly, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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Mar 4, 2019 19:48:34   #
Morgan
 
bdamage wrote:
"Wait until she has been around a few years"?

Who has to wait. She already has Dem Reps distancing themselves from her as well as shaking their heads.
She is already sinking herself with no help from anyone else.
The gift that keeps on giving I'd say.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez slammed over anti-Amazon push in New York City billboard: 'Thanks for nothing'
By Liam Quinn, Adam Shaw Published February 20

“The Amazon pullout is a perfect example of what we’ve been saying: socialism takes and capitalism creates,” Alfredo Ortiz, JCN president and CEO said in a release on Wednesday.

“The economic consequences of the HQ2 termination gives America a small taste of the harm that is to come if Ocasio-Cortez’s anti-business canon comes to fruition and is made federal policy.”
Full story:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-slammed-over-anti-amazon-push-in-new-york-city-billboard-thanks-for-nothing
"Wait until she has been around a few years&q... (show quote)


You are blaming that young lady

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Mar 4, 2019 19:54:42   #
Morgan
 
JoyV wrote:
I have posted short posts on conservatism for any whose attention span is not up to delving into an issue comprehensively. You can find more than one in this thread.


Yep, and I see no attempt from debeda, big surprise there, and has anyone else responded, may I suggest link(s) to those who are interested. Long links like that is not a conversation, they're lectures where people talk at you not with you. It doesn't engage people, it turns most off. Just saying, but post away...

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Mar 4, 2019 19:56:53   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Morgan wrote:
You are blaming that young lady
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She took credit for it.

Get a clue M.

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Mar 4, 2019 20:17:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bdamage wrote:
All of us in St Louis were mortified that the North Stars change to the "Stars"in Dallas.
They moved out of the "Chuck Norris"division and got rid of Basil McRae.
As Don Cherry would put it "hockey will never be the same again".



Yes,,, you are a true fan...

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Mar 4, 2019 20:24:17   #
Morgan
 
bdamage wrote:
She took credit for it.

Get a clue M.


Yeah, I'm sure That's about as true as Trump saying today his hair isn't white...

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Mar 4, 2019 20:28:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Morgan wrote:
A tariff on solar imports can be a good thing perm, maybe then we can compete.


That may be, we shall find out..

a Canadian firm has bought out a defunct company in the iron range and with full automation has began producing panels for the US market.. they have a good start, early contracts for some good sized solar fields..

But those tariffs on panels did put a damper on business for a time a number of projects had to be redesigned do to the added cost.. of panels..

Big surprise, Minnesota was leader in solar energy on a list few weeks ago.

did not catch if it was development for the year, overall capacity or what nitch the graph was showing..



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Mar 4, 2019 20:41:55   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Nickolai wrote:
Ah, the conservatives, they think they are mighty special. Alas for them, much of the civilized world is coming to the conclusion that it would be better off without them. Conservatives in most modern countries have become a lot more liberal, to their own, as well as their nation's, relief and benefit. These are not called "liberal democracies" for nothing. Among this collection of advanced nations, America is quickly falling far behind. Many other countries are now more "American" in their values than we are. We are being r****ded by conservatives.Our conservatives - steeped in the myth of the rugged individual, as portrayed in so many westerns, cop thrillers, sci-fi and fantasy flicks - are determined to cling to their backwardness as hard as they cling to their AK-47s. This type of hero is how every American conservative thinks of themselves. Rambo is a good example, or one of those drivers in the Fast and Furious series. It all is a fantasy. Their self image is flipped upside down and inside out from reality. They think they are heroically defending America when they are actually villainously defending the tradition of domination and ever threatening to rip the real cloth of American values.
Ah, the conservatives, they think they are mighty ... (show quote)


You're right. We should follow the shining examples of Socialist Utopias exemplified by the glorious triumph of Socialism in Cuba and Venezuela.

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Mar 4, 2019 21:04:52   #
Nickolai
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You're right. We should follow the shining examples of Socialist Utopias exemplified by the glorious triumph of Socialism in Cuba and Venezuela.





It looks like we are stuck with our conservative countrymen for now. Even if we wanted to, where would we deport them? Who would want them? We can't just cast them adrift in the sea. It would offend our liberal sensibilities for nature and we would become the corporate pirates we despise if we were to dump them into the ocean even more toxic waste. Yet no other "white" country would want them; they are too mean and stupid.

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Mar 4, 2019 21:11:13   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Nickolai wrote:
It looks like we are stuck with our conservative countrymen for now. Even if we wanted to, where would we deport them? Who would want them? We can't just cast them adrift in the sea. It would offend our liberal sensibilities for nature and we would become the corporate pirates we despise if we were to dump them into the ocean even more toxic waste. Yet no other "white" country would want them; they are too mean and stupid.


It looks like we are stuck with you and your ilk for a little longer. Pretty soon your precious wetbacks will throw you out of your own house on your ass.

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Mar 4, 2019 21:15:51   #
Seth
 
Nickolai wrote:
Hey you hero Doneraldo Schtrumpkinski is the Russian agent here not me --I'm just the son of a dust bowl Okie. Of course, lost on the conservatives is the irony that they, of all ideologues, the ones who opposed American independence and nationhood from the start (and still don't believe in its essential tenets), then stomped off in a huff during the Civil War, and threaten to secede once again every time they lose an e******n, would appoint themselves the Inquisition empowered to remove the liberal brand upon which our country is actually founded. How rich. The Founding Fathers would be howling in laughter and scorn, easily recognizing conservatism as the same as it ever was: the ideology that marinates in incoherency even as it bubbles with h**e.
Of course becoming the monsters they h**e is always an option for conservatives. Because they really have no scruples, no higher values, no virtue... just a crazy quilt of quasi-religious, pseudo-rational, inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical beliefs and raw "gut feeling." So it makes sense that they would become terrorists to thwart terrorism, destroy the village to save it, become torturers to find and k**l other torturers, o*******w American democracy and all American values to prove to each other what macho "Americans" they are. An eye for an eye... the world is so easy, so black-and-white. That the "libtards" can't figure this out is proof positive to conservatives of their ideological and intellectual superiority.
Hey you hero Doneraldo Schtrumpkinski is the Russi... (show quote)


You lost me there, Nikolai Nikolaevich.

It seems to me that while us conservatives support things like a healthy economy, job creation, low taxes, limited government, a strong military, border security and liberty, all those things this country was founded on, you portsiders support programs and policies that inevitably result in rampant unemployment and high taxes, a weak economy, voluminous government which infringes on our liberties, open borders and a weak military. As bonuses, your lot also offers g****r confusion politics and preferential "treatment" for L***Q types being forced on the unwilling, infanticide, the destruction of our historic monuments, the teaching of American history to children revised to fit your current day social justice and identity politics templates and the worst performing public education system in the developed and, for that matter, much of the undeveloped world.

So tell me, why would any sane, reasonably patriotic American want to experience the end result of that which your party represents?

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Mar 4, 2019 21:45:16   #
Nickolai
 
Seth wrote:
You lost me there, Nikolai Nikolaevich.

It seems to me that while us conservatives support things like a healthy economy, job creation, low taxes, limited government, a strong military, border security and liberty, all those things this country was founded on, you portsiders support programs and policies that inevitably result in rampant unemployment and high taxes, a weak economy, voluminous government which infringes on our liberties, open borders and a weak military. As bonuses, your lot also offers g****r confusion politics and preferential "treatment" for L***Q types being forced on the unwilling, infanticide, the destruction of our historic monuments, the teaching of American history to children revised to fit your current day social justice and identity politics templates and the worst performing public education system in the developed and, for that matter, much of the undeveloped world.

So tell me, why would any sane, reasonably patriotic American want to experience the end result of that which your party represents?
You lost me there, Nikolai Nikolaevich. br br It... (show quote)






The Liberal Twist. We'll start off with an easy one. In this dance, you vilify the word "liberal" and all contemporary "liberals", while claiming liberal ideas and heroes of the past as your own. They have to do this, because they have so very few heroes of their own, except for Reagan. It sounds difficult, but really it's easy. Let's give it a whirl. Just quote the George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., but never mention that these were all LIBERAL heroes that conservatives fought against! Then celebrate the Declaration of Independence, the creation of public education, the abolition of s***ery, the emancipation of women, the raising of the working and middle class, the passing of laws to improve workplace safety, Social Security, Civil Rights, Environmental laws, but you never mention that these were all LIBERAL ideas, that conservatives fought against!

You pay lip service to such notions as freedom, liberty, e******y, free speech, the pursuit of happiness... oh, and don't forget religious liberal values like love for one another, forgiveness and non-judgment... but then you run the opposite direction and actually promote prejudice, fear, conformity, division, ine******y, disenfranchisement, suppression, and corporate domination over the individual. The only tricky part is to figure out just when it's safe to stop dissing the liberal

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Mar 4, 2019 21:47:30   #
Geo
 
Trump choking on a Lie.



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Mar 4, 2019 21:54:37   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Seth wrote:
You lost me there, Nikolai Nikolaevich.

It seems to me that while us conservatives support things like a healthy economy, job creation, low taxes, limited government, a strong military, border security and liberty, all those things this country was founded on, you portsiders support programs and policies that inevitably result in rampant unemployment and high taxes, a weak economy, voluminous government which infringes on our liberties, open borders and a weak military. As bonuses, your lot also offers g****r confusion politics and preferential "treatment" for L***Q types being forced on the unwilling, infanticide, the destruction of our historic monuments, the teaching of American history to children revised to fit your current day social justice and identity politics templates and the worst performing public education system in the developed and, for that matter, much of the undeveloped world.

So tell me, why would any sane, reasonably patriotic American want to experience the end result of that which your party represents?
You lost me there, Nikolai Nikolaevich. br br It... (show quote)

Oorah, Seth.

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Mar 4, 2019 21:57:07   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
My description was of ideology. Not surprisingly, the ideology matches with the party. Ideological characteristics from the civil War and beyond included, Constitution; rule of law; right to defend oneself; defense of our constitution and by extension defend the states; property rights; e******y for ALL with no special treatment or rules for some groups over others. These are some of the ideology characteristics of those who fought to end s***ery in the Civil War! These are some of the characteristics of those who worked against Jim Crow laws! These are some of the characteristics of those who promoted, risked their lives for, and v**ed for the Civil Rights Bill. These are some of the characteristics of those who ended segregation. It just so happens that all the above were done almost exclusively by Republicans!!!! The ideology and party match!

This farce that one day all the r****t Democrats woke up and decided to switch to the Republican party, and the Republicans switched to the Democrat party is a myth. There have been a grand total of ONE Democrat Senator who switched from Democrat to Republican during the time from the Civil War to the signing of the Civil Rights Bill. Strom Thurmond! There have been two in the late 80s and 90s, but far too late to have had any part in the civil rights movement. Richard Shelby and Ben Campbell. And there was a grand total of ONE who switched from Silver Republican to Democrat. Fred Dubois in 1901.

Here are the Republican Party platforms of 1860 and 2016. They are substantially the same. Our ideology has not changed!

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/republican-party-platform-1860/
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-republican-party-platform

The Democratic Party platform has changed considerably. The platform of 1856 included:
1. That Congress has no power under the Constitution, to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several States, and that such States are the sole and proper judges of everything appertaining to their own affairs, not prohibited by the Constitution; that all efforts of the abolitionists, or others, made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of s***ery, or to take incipient steps in relation thereto, are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences; and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people and endanger the stability and permanency of the Union, and ought not to be countenanced by any friend of our political institutions.

2. That the foregoing proposition covers, and was intended to embrace the whole subject of s***ery agitation in Congress; and therefore, the Democratic party of the Union, standing on this national platform, will abide by and adhere to a faithful execution of the acts known as the compromise measures, settled by the Congress of 1850; "the act for reclaiming fugitives from service or labor," included; which act being designed to carry out an express provision of the Constitution, cannot, with fidelity thereto, be repealed, or so changed as to destroy or impair its efficiency.

3. That the Democratic party will resist all attempts at renewing, in Congress or out of it, the agitation of the s***ery question under wh**ever shape or color the attempt may be made.

4. That the Democratic party will faithfully abide by and uphold, the principles laid down in the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions of 1798, and in the report of Mr. Madison to the Virginia Legislature in 1799; that it adopts those principles as constituting one of the main foundations of its political creed, and is resolved to carry them out in their obvious meaning and import.

And that we may more distinctly meet the issue on which a sectional party, subsisting exclusively on s***ery agitation, now relies to test the fidelity of the people, North and South, to the Constitution and the Union—

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1856-democratic-party-platform
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2016_DNC_Platform.pdf

Note in the 2016 platform that all the the goals are to be done through taxpayers funding them and not through creating an environment which encourages Americans to choose and act for those goals of there own free will!


It is a characteristic of progressives to claim credit for what others have done and to cast blame on others for what they have done. Obama was good at doing so with a sincere sounding voice and expression.
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Dang, JoyV, you're on FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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