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Mar 4, 2019 15:00:33   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
It's just like a left wing to immediately charge any criticism of a woman as sexist regardless of the substance of the criticism. That in itself IS sexist! We believe people should be held responsible for their actions wh**ever their race, creed, sex, etc.

For example, Martha McSally did a good job in the House and will hopefully do a good job as a Senator. I do not say, did a good job for a woman. Her sex has nothing to do with whether or not I consider her actions to be good or poor. While McCain was a disgrace to his office. Both McSally and McCain served America in the military. One was someone who upheld the honor of America and the military. The other caused many veterans to be ashamed to call him a fellow veteran!

As for AOC, anyone who believe facts don't matter when making laws regarding what she sees as a moral issue; is someone to be concerned about being in the House!
It's just like a left wing to immediately charge a... (show quote)




You think I am a sexist pig?? i used to hear that all the time back in the day..

But now I am a kinder gentler man of the world and empathy is my middle name..


Ha Ha,,, you talk about morals and laws, but when it comes to trump you worship the orange piss holes in the snow that he leaves behind.

Can you republicans ever treat anything equally?? clearly not in this century..

McCain was indeed a fine man.. and compared to the orange scuzz bucket in the white house, I have to say the most enjoyable thing I have seen in the term is McCain given trump a thumbs DOWN.. for his h**efull health bill..

a wonderful act by a fine man from Arizona..



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Mar 4, 2019 15:06:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Yes, surprisingly AOC did ask cogent questions. The answers were wanting though. For example Cohen said Trump inflated his assets to insurance companies. Shouldn't there be documents or forms involved? Either Cohen provided the documentation to the insurance companies, or an accountant did with his knowledge. Yet despite the boxes of documents seized from Cohen, his answer as to where any documentation might exist is the vague answer, "in the Trump organization."

Why are none of Cohen's assertions backed up by one scrap of documentation out of those boxes of documents? Those boxes of documents which the committee has not been allowed to review.

And another question is why did Cohen meet with the DNC and multiple top Democrats?
Yes, surprisingly AOC did ask cogent questions. T... (show quote)



Yes, the dems should have had those docs and waved them in the air to support the comment of Cohen..

they missed a great chance.. I think both sides seem stupid as a grade school kid..

It takes no expert to keep away from a paper trail, and trump has had a life time of practice..

when did the dems have this meeting with Cohen you refer to??



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Mar 4, 2019 15:11:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Morgan, get back to us after you read a couple of Joy's posts, and comment on particulars.

Here is one for you to start with;

"There were zero indictments for B******i, yet there was plenty of official documentation of wrongdoing.

There were zero indictments for Hillary's email server as Comey had written the conclusion before Hillary was ever questioned (not under oath), and at the congressional hearing Comey admitted a laundry list of crimes committed by Hillary yet said no prosecutor would prosecute.

None of the indictments brought due to the Mueller investigation have anything to do with a Trump-Russia collusion." - JoyV


Here is another for you to read and comment on, Morgan.

"Yes, surprisingly AOC did ask cogent questions. The answers were wanting though. For example Cohen said Trump inflated his assets to insurance companies. Shouldn't there be documents or forms involved? Either Cohen provided the documentation to the insurance companies, or an accountant did with his knowledge. Yet despite the boxes of documents seized from Cohen, his answer as to where any documentation might exist is the vague answer, "in the Trump organization."

Why are none of Cohen's assertions backed up by one scrap of documentation out of those boxes of documents? Those boxes of documents which the committee has not been allowed to review.
And another question is why did Cohen meet with the DNC and multiple top Democrats?" - joyV
Morgan, get back to us after you read a couple of ... (show quote)




Oh how i***tic,, if all that documentation was laying around why did not the Republicans use any of it???

Because of love for the fine Lady Hillary??

You people post so much utter BS that a normal person would gag on it..

For me I have become so used to the dilly dally of the right wingers that I only imagine the green green grass of home when the pack the deck with stories of fantasy..



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Mar 4, 2019 15:14:20   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 





Arn`t you embarrassed??? you go to these fish wrap rags for information???

A 7th grader would know better...



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Mar 4, 2019 15:47:59   #
truthiness
 
4430 wrote:
We're wasting our time Blade as you can see AOC has the demos spelled bound so they can't really know who she really is !
Estimated cost of her new green deal is at last count was $93 Trillion add that to the current debt of $22 trillion Hmmmm $115 T

Permie wouldn't be ablre to ever cut firewood and if he could he'd have to carry it piece by piece since his little darling AOC has taken all the cars and trucks off the road !

Not to mention he's going to get pretty hungry since AOC has stopped all the tractors and combines from use by farmers !

Wonder how permie will do growing his own food and protecting it from the starving masses that will be out to steal and or k**l for it !
We're wasting our time Blade as you can see AOC ha... (show quote)


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Let’s see who is really responsible for large budgets.
The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 cost the taxpayers $3.5T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts

And who were the prime beneficiaries of the results of these tax cuts?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/02/the-legacy-of-the-bush-tax-cuts-in-four-charts/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.820920c1b0de
The wealthy.

Bush’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost $2.4T when interest is taken into account because Republicans borrowed money to pay for them rather than raise taxes.

It is hard to blame $3.5T+ $2.4T = $5.9T on homosexuals and a******nists desire to audacious left-leaning spending The idea that the left is the tax and spend party is the very successful propaganda myth perpetuated by the right.

Now we can add the cost of Trump’s tax cut---ouch! $1.8T for a conservative total of $7.7T.
https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-trump-tax-cuts-4586645 .

It’s just not trickling down, just as David Stockman, as Reagan’s budget director, realized that supply-side economics would not work as he described in his self-admitted “youthful screed,” The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed. Today as a hedge fund manager, Stockman extends his thinking to an inevitable future financial collapse in an even ‘screedier,’ The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America where he describes contemporary financial problems being fueled by twin problems: “FDR’s repudiation of the bipartisan tradition of sound money and the New Deal’s incubation of crony capitalism.” The twins have been adopted by the conservative right as a plan to get us to the new age of oligarchy.

Who benefits from the current "conservative" tax and spend?
https://www.thebalance.com/trump-s-tax-plan-how-it-affects-you-4113968
Here are the bottom lines from the tax experts:

"But trickle-down economics no longer works because the 2017 tax rates are half of what they were in the 1980s."

"Many large corporations confirmed they won't use the tax cuts to create jobs. Corporations are sitting on a record $2.3 trillion in cash reserves, double the level in 2001."

So the so-called conservative party spends and spends by its oligarchs and for whom? The very few>

This conservatism is oligarchy wrapped in the shroud of conservatism for the purpose of conserving the well being of the wealthy.

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Mar 4, 2019 15:53:24   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
permafrost wrote:
I do think much of that is correct, not much to see and much to be carefull in the news broadcasts.. not many are all bad, but none of them seem to all good..

do not get cable so only the BBC, and network news for me.. and PBS..

As for fun, sorry bunch of junk.. but on Netflix we binge watch a few things, lot of english mystery programs..

And one, I bet you would have liked... a modern western of a Wyoming county sheriff..

called "Longmyer" Was about 5 seasons and watched them all in a short time. surprise they even brought the program to a final ending which fit the scene and made it all well and good..

Hockey is everywhere and is watched.. the best $5 I ever spent for sports was to watch the U of MN play one of the Russian "RED" teams. not the national team but from the same league.. lot of fun.. the Russians were held to a 1-1 tie at the end of first period, then the Minnesota coach got all his players in the game, even the team managers.. the final score was 5 or 6 to 1 and the Russians were very good.. so an exciting game..
I do think much of that is correct, not much to se... (show quote)


You definitely reside in the hockey capital of the world.
One of my favorite movies is "Miracle".
Definitely open my eyes to Gopher hockey.

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Mar 4, 2019 16:25:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bdamage wrote:
You definitely reside in the hockey capital of the world.
One of my favorite movies is "Miracle".
Definitely open my eyes to Gopher hockey.




don`t let me start, I can talk hockey all day long..

sad day when we lost that hockey coach from the Miracle team to a traffic accident..



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Mar 4, 2019 16:29:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bdamage wrote:
You definitely reside in the hockey capital of the world.
One of my favorite movies is "Miracle".
Definitely open my eyes to Gopher hockey.



One of the many little things I can not resist is that one year some time ago, the Minnesota team of Elk River was the number one high school team in the nation. per the experts..

But the failed to make the state tournament!!!

A buddy of mine still talks about that..

Also, that darn Green, who owned the original North Stars, was accused of some sex crime, got mad at all of the Minnesota fans and moved the team to Dallas..

Then in a couple years, won the Stanley cup..

No justice in that at all.. OH the sadness of it all.....

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Mar 4, 2019 16:50:05   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
permafrost wrote:
One of the many little things I can not resist is that one year some time ago, the Minnesota team of Elk River was the number one high school team in the nation. per the experts..

But the failed to make the state tournament!!!

A buddy of mine still talks about that..

Also, that darn Green, who owned the original North Stars, was accused of some sex crime, got mad at all of the Minnesota fans and moved the team to Dallas..

Then in a couple years, won the Stanley cup..

No justice in that at all.. OH the sadness of it all.....
One of the many little things I can not resist is ... (show quote)


All of us in St Louis were mortified that the North Stars change to the "Stars"in Dallas.
They moved out of the "Chuck Norris"division and got rid of Basil McRae.
As Don Cherry would put it "hockey will never be the same again".

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Mar 4, 2019 18:34:42   #
Morgan
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, the dems should have had those docs and waved them in the air to support the comment of Cohen..

they missed a great chance.. I think both sides seem stupid as a grade school kid..

It takes no expert to keep away from a paper trail, and trump has had a life time of practice..

when did the dems have this meeting with Cohen you refer to??




A tariff on solar imports can be a good thing perm, maybe then we can compete.

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Mar 4, 2019 19:02:48   #
Nickolai
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Continued from above...

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Social conservatives today work to shore up family values. They oppose a******n, same-sex marriage, and sexual permissiveness. They also advocate strengthening traditional standards in education, and a larger role for religious faith in public life.

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Still, there are really no clear lines of demarcation between the different branches of conservatism, and in fact most conservatives don’t fit neatly into one or another camp. Almost always there are enough genuine similarities in outlook such that, wherever they come from, conservatives can usually work together for the broader cause. As long as we remain faithful to the four pillars of conservatism, the order of liberty, morality, and justice that we have built will stand firm.

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Ah, the conservatives, they think they are mighty special. Alas for them, much of the civilized world is coming to the conclusion that it would be better off without them. Conservatives in most modern countries have become a lot more liberal, to their own, as well as their nation's, relief and benefit. These are not called "liberal democracies" for nothing. Among this collection of advanced nations, America is quickly falling far behind. Many other countries are now more "American" in their values than we are. We are being r****ded by conservatives.Our conservatives - steeped in the myth of the rugged individual, as portrayed in so many westerns, cop thrillers, sci-fi and fantasy flicks - are determined to cling to their backwardness as hard as they cling to their AK-47s. This type of hero is how every American conservative thinks of themselves. Rambo is a good example, or one of those drivers in the Fast and Furious series. It all is a fantasy. Their self image is flipped upside down and inside out from reality. They think they are heroically defending America when they are actually villainously defending the tradition of domination and ever threatening to rip the real cloth of American values.

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Mar 4, 2019 19:17:13   #
Seth
 
Nickolai wrote:
Ah, the conservatives, they think they are mighty special. Alas for them, much of the civilized world is coming to the conclusion that it would be better off without them. Conservatives in most modern countries have become a lot more liberal, to their own, as well as their nation's, relief and benefit. These are not called "liberal democracies" for nothing. Among this collection of advanced nations, America is quickly falling far behind. Many other countries are now more "American" in their values than we are. We are being r****ded by conservatives.Our conservatives - steeped in the myth of the rugged individual, as portrayed in so many westerns, cop thrillers, sci-fi and fantasy flicks - are determined to cling to their backwardness as hard as they cling to their AK-47s. This type of hero is how every American conservative thinks of themselves. Rambo is a good example, or one of those drivers in the Fast and Furious series. It all is a fantasy. Their self image is flipped upside down and inside out from reality. They think they are heroically defending America when they are actually villainously defending the tradition of domination and ever threatening to rip the real cloth of American values.
Ah, the conservatives, they think they are mighty ... (show quote)


I don't know where you get your "information," Nikolaevich Bolsheviksky, or if you just make this stuff up.

If by "civilized" you mean developed countries, the trend is just the opposite. Look at the Eastern European countries, such as Austria, Hungary, Romania, etc, and even Italy. They are all trending, much to the chagrin of the EU, in the directions of both nationalism and also conservatism. Even the Brits are moving right with Boris Johnson again a favorite.

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Mar 4, 2019 19:26:31   #
Nickolai
 
Seth wrote:
I don't know where you get your "information," Nikolaevich Bolsheviksky, or if you just make this stuff up.

If by "civilized" you mean developed countries, the trend is just the opposite. Look at the Eastern European countries, such as Austria, Hungary, Romania, etc, and even Italy. They are all trending, much to the chagrin of the EU, in the directions of both nationalism and also conservatism. Even the Brits are moving right with Boris Johnson again a favorite.






Hey you hero Doneraldo Schtrumpkinski is the Russian agent here not me --I'm just the son of a dust bowl Okie. Of course, lost on the conservatives is the irony that they, of all ideologues, the ones who opposed American independence and nationhood from the start (and still don't believe in its essential tenets), then stomped off in a huff during the Civil War, and threaten to secede once again every time they lose an e******n, would appoint themselves the Inquisition empowered to remove the liberal brand upon which our country is actually founded. How rich. The Founding Fathers would be howling in laughter and scorn, easily recognizing conservatism as the same as it ever was: the ideology that marinates in incoherency even as it bubbles with h**e.
Of course becoming the monsters they h**e is always an option for conservatives. Because they really have no scruples, no higher values, no virtue... just a crazy quilt of quasi-religious, pseudo-rational, inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical beliefs and raw "gut feeling." So it makes sense that they would become terrorists to thwart terrorism, destroy the village to save it, become torturers to find and k**l other torturers, o*******w American democracy and all American values to prove to each other what macho "Americans" they are. An eye for an eye... the world is so easy, so black-and-white. That the "libtards" can't figure this out is proof positive to conservatives of their ideological and intellectual superiority.

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Mar 4, 2019 19:31:00   #
Morgan
 
permafrost wrote:
What!? Your drinking water is turning orange? Wow, and you never though your v**e mattered, now you got what you v**ed for and will be paying for years..



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Mar 4, 2019 19:38:46   #
Morgan
 
t***hiness wrote:
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Let’s see who is really responsible for large budgets.
The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 cost the taxpayers $3.5T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts

And who were the prime beneficiaries of the results of these tax cuts?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/02/the-legacy-of-the-bush-tax-cuts-in-four-charts/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.820920c1b0de
The wealthy.

Bush’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost $2.4T when interest is taken into account because Republicans borrowed money to pay for them rather than raise taxes.

It is hard to blame $3.5T+ $2.4T = $5.9T on homosexuals and a******nists desire to audacious left-leaning spending The idea that the left is the tax and spend party is the very successful propaganda myth perpetuated by the right.

Now we can add the cost of Trump’s tax cut---ouch! $1.8T for a conservative total of $7.7T.
https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-trump-tax-cuts-4586645 .

It’s just not trickling down, just as David Stockman, as Reagan’s budget director, realized that supply-side economics would not work as he described in his self-admitted “youthful screed,” The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed. Today as a hedge fund manager, Stockman extends his thinking to an inevitable future financial collapse in an even ‘screedier,’ The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America where he describes contemporary financial problems being fueled by twin problems: “FDR’s repudiation of the bipartisan tradition of sound money and the New Deal’s incubation of crony capitalism.” The twins have been adopted by the conservative right as a plan to get us to the new age of oligarchy.

Who benefits from the current "conservative" tax and spend?
https://www.thebalance.com/trump-s-tax-plan-how-it-affects-you-4113968
Here are the bottom lines from the tax experts:

"But trickle-down economics no longer works because the 2017 tax rates are half of what they were in the 1980s."

"Many large corporations confirmed they won't use the tax cuts to create jobs. Corporations are sitting on a record $2.3 trillion in cash reserves, double the level in 2001."

So the so-called conservative party spends and spends by its oligarchs and for whom? The very few>

This conservatism is oligarchy wrapped in the shroud of conservatism for the purpose of conserving the well being of the wealthy.
;; br Let’s see who is really responsible for larg... (show quote)


Things have never really changed have they, the funny thing is the wealthy is boundless in their need for more, whereas the working class is mostly happy and grateful being comfortable, safe and able to give to their children. Something I always felt Obama understood and related with, not likely from a man with a golden crapper.

Trump... he's not the Command in Chief, he's the Criminal in Charge

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