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Mar 2, 2019 11:32:37   #
Sicilianthing
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The IRS is a quasi-governmental agency. It is also a corporation incorporated in Delaware.

https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Evidence/OrgAndDuties/IRSPrivateCorp-20070630.pdf


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Noted and I’ve read all that in my travels past... now I’m researching how the money is transferred through the IRS into the coffers of the Foreign Share holders of that corporation and the other ones.

How they got this immunity and foreign structure through the United Nations is a complete violation of our Constitution and Sovereign Protections.

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Mar 2, 2019 13:47:34   #
jwrevagent
 
Glad to hear it. I didn't have a lot to do with ATF, though I would refer things to them if necessary.

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Mar 2, 2019 18:00:15   #
Sicilianthing
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Glad to hear it. I didn't have a lot to do with ATF, though I would refer things to them if necessary.


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Huh ?

Who are you replying to about wtf ?

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Mar 2, 2019 19:11:28   #
maryjane
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Hi! My name is Joan, I am a retired EA (enrolled agent enrolled to practice before the IRS). I was inactive for several years because I worked for the WI Department of Revenue as a revenue agent-compliance section. Have spent over 30 years either preparing tax returns for various clients, or collecting past due returns and delinquent tax. Not nearly as exciting as you might think, and certainly not as awful, either. All types of tax from sales and wh to income, trust fund and corporate. I am conservative socially and politically as well as religiously-I believe in a 6 day creation and a 6000 + year old earth. I am also a senior citizen, having retired over 10 years ago at 65. Married to my second husband since 2004, adult children and grandchildren and otherwise normal. I love horse racing, and was involved in local elective politics for several years. Love my country, and my God and family.
Hi! My name is Joan, I am a retired EA (enrolled a... (show quote)


Welcome! Look forward to hearing your views here.

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Mar 3, 2019 01:24:33   #
Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Then why do I make my checks out to the US Treasury when I pay my Federal Income Tax and send it to Cincinnati? I have known IRS agents and worked with them in several states, including Alaska, Wisconsin, and Colorado, both as preparer and collector, have sat with clients in audits and answered questions as to how the returns were prepared, and they were well trained, well educated on tax rules and regulations, and nearly all of them had accounting degrees. I once attended a meeting of tax protesters who stated that since our money is no longer backed by gold, it is not legal tender, therefore none of us makes income to be taxed. They call the money "Ferns"-Federal Reserve Notes. But if that is true, how does anyone purchase anything for themselves or their family? The dollars are legal tender by act of Congress, not by intrinsic value. So, I think I would be careful before buying into some of these scams and lies purported to be news. Tax collection became part of the Constitution in 1913 via the 16th amendment. Prior to that, the revenue act of 1861 was repealed in 1872. Most money was collected via tariffs. The Supreme Court upheld the right of taxation in Brushaber v Union Pacific Railroad. Back in the day when I got my cancelled checks returned, the stamp on the back showed the US Treasury. Can't imagine why they would send it to IMF. The IRS is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury. IRS was established in 1953. The Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service is appointed to a 5 year term by the president. It has nothing to do with the UN or the World Bank. If there is some definitive proof that the UN controls the IRS and sends all of the tax collected to the IMF, I would like to see it. Give me real references that I can easily verify.
Then why do I make my checks out to the US Treasur... (show quote)



Welcome aboard, Joan, I'm pretty sure from your great response to our resident 'expert' on the government, you're going to be just fine here. My handle is Red Onion Rip, but I go by Rip Van Winkle, yeah Van Winkle is my last name so what else would I go by. As for the Red Onion, that's a long story. Any way, welcome and enjoy yourself. Rip.

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Mar 3, 2019 09:39:13   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Then why do I make my checks out to the US Treasury when I pay my Federal Income Tax and send it to Cincinnati? I have known IRS agents and worked with them in several states, including Alaska, Wisconsin, and Colorado, both as preparer and collector, have sat with clients in audits and answered questions as to how the returns were prepared, and they were well trained, well educated on tax rules and regulations, and nearly all of them had accounting degrees. I once attended a meeting of tax protesters who stated that since our money is no longer backed by gold, it is not legal tender, therefore none of us makes income to be taxed. They call the money "Ferns"-Federal Reserve Notes. But if that is true, how does anyone purchase anything for themselves or their family? The dollars are legal tender by act of Congress, not by intrinsic value. So, I think I would be careful before buying into some of these scams and lies purported to be news. Tax collection became part of the Constitution in 1913 via the 16th amendment. Prior to that, the revenue act of 1861 was repealed in 1872. Most money was collected via tariffs. The Supreme Court upheld the right of taxation in Brushaber v Union Pacific Railroad. Back in the day when I got my cancelled checks returned, the stamp on the back showed the US Treasury. Can't imagine why they would send it to IMF. The IRS is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury. IRS was established in 1953. The Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service is appointed to a 5 year term by the president. It has nothing to do with the UN or the World Bank. If there is some definitive proof that the UN controls the IRS and sends all of the tax collected to the IMF, I would like to see it. Give me real references that I can easily verify.
Then why do I make my checks out to the US Treasur... (show quote)


https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Evidence/OrgAndDuties/IRSPrivateCorp-20070630.pdf

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Mar 3, 2019 11:48:02   #
Sicilianthing
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Evidence/OrgAndDuties/IRSPrivateCorp-20070630.pdf


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About the IRS, And then there’s this:

www-scannedretina.com
Feb 27, 2019
By: Richard Sez

1. New Folder
Could this be the IRS?
"The Internal Revenue Service is considered to be a Bureau of the Department of the Treasury; however, like the Federal Reserve, it is not part of the Federal Government. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS, et al., CV-93-405E- EJE - U.S.D.C.D.I; Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148, page 5967; Reorganization Plan No. 26; Public Law 102-391--- and is in fact incorporated in Delaware ...." ("Internal Revenue Service" was incorporated in 1925, the Municipal "IRS" was incorporated in 1933.)

1.1. New Folder-1
The Franking Privilege
"It is pointed out that all official Federal Government mail is sent postage- free because of the
franking privilege; however, the IRS has to pay their own postage, which [again] indicates that they are not a government entity."

1.2. New Folder-2
"They [the Internal Revenue Service/IRS] are in fact a collection agency for the Federal Reserve, because they do not collect any taxes for the U.S. Treasury.
All funds collected [by the IRS working under color of law "as" a Treasury "Bureau" and collecting funds under false pretense as the funds are collected under what appears to be a Treasury presentment] are turned over to the Federal Reserve. If you have ever sent a check to the IRS, you will find that it was endorsed over to the Federal Reserve."

1.3. New Folder-3
"The Federal Reserve, in turn, deposits the money with the International Monetary Fund, an
Agency of the United Nations (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, page 816.) where it is
filtered down to the International Development Association (see Treasury Delegation Order No. 91) which is part of the "International Bank for Reconstruction and Development" --- commonly known now as the World Bank."
Bottom line --- the so-called "Internal Revenue Service" is not now and never has been a part of our government and has been deceitfully misrepresented as such by our British Territorial and Municipal United

States subcontractors.

1.4. New Folder-4
Ah, the World Bank At the bottom of the dog pile which progresses from the U.S. Treasury to the Federal Reserve to the IMF to the IBRD ---- we find what? Ah, the World Bank.
Karen Hudes' erstwhile Dropbox Fixer and sometimes employer.

1.5. New Folder-5
The Federal Reserve, IBRD, and World Bank are the Secondary Creditors Please note that the Federal Reserve, IBRD, and World Bank are the Secondary Creditors that
forced the "United States of America, Incorporated" into bankruptcy in 1933.
And also note that the IBRD and the World Bank are the ones who, in 2000, following the
settlement of the bankruptcy, showed up and lied through their teeth and without anyone giving any Notice to the actual Priority Creditors (The United States of America, the American States and People) claimed that all our assets were "abandoned" --- including approximately $387 billion dollars in gold that FDR confiscated from the American People under color of law as "surety" backing the bankrupt "United States of America, Incorporated" bankruptcy.

Also please note that the bankrupt governmental services corporation doing business as the
"United States of America, Inc." was fronted by the Roman Catholic Church as a religious non-profit.
Ms. Hudes is still holding onto our gold and pretending to be our Trustee, even after we entered our objections (according to our Constitution no Bar Attorney can hold any position of trust) and collapsed any such "Trust" by directly presenting the Bill of Lading issued by the actual Priority Creditors.

1.6. New Folder-6
Let me interpret this situation --- these banks caused the problem, then profited from it under
false pretenses for sixty-three years, and afterward lodged false claims of abandonment against the bankruptcy surety assets as Secondary Creditors.
And they are still holding onto gold and other assets that rightfully belonged to your great-grandparents and grandparents and parents and now, also, to you.

And now, to bring it all back "Full Circle" ---- the IRS got its start back in the 1100's in France and England, when the Pope (acting as Pontiff, of course) started collecting an income tax called "Peter's Pence" which was a special collection to support the cost of the Crusades, collected every April 15th. It was collected by members of the Dominican Order, the same nice people that brought us the Inquisition. They continued to pop up as Privateer organizations on the sidelines of every war thereafter, as this was the Holy See's way of supporting the cost of all the Pontiff's war- mongering.

The Civil War was no different.

The "Internal Revenue Service" back then was issued Privateer licenses and Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and they operated out of Puerto Rico and other Island bases, preying upon both Northern and Southern commercial vessels. Nice, huh? Just special.

1.7. New Folder-7
Or the express purpose of collecting from Municipal United States employees only. Things got reorganized after the Civil War and they moved onshore for a brief time, only to be repelled and sent packing by our more sentient ancestors, back to their base in Puerto Rico. After 1904, they were allowed back to operate on our shores via the Insular Tariff Cases, and particularly Downes v. Bidwell and Hooven and Allison v. Evatt--- for the express purpose of collecting from Municipal United States employees only.

By 1916, the Pontiff was busy financing another war--- World War I, so sympathetic war-mongers in Congress acting without a quorum majority on Christmas Eve, passed the "Sixteenth Amendment" to their corporate "Constitution"---- and set the wolves loose on the innocent American Public.

1.8. New Folder-8
And then came World War II.

1.9. New Folder-9
Things got "tight" for the Pontiff again. He couldn't collect enough from all those corporations and employees and dependents that were legitimately "U.S. Citizens" so the war-monger in Congress came up with another plan: The Victory Tax. The Victory Tax wasn't a tax at all, really.

It was a charitable donation toward "the war effort".
American workers signed up by the millions and agreed to donate an amount equal to that paid each month by federal civilian and military employees and to have it deducted from their paychecks.
The wording of the "Victory Tax" was vague and the sunset clause on this arrangement was the "end of the hostilities".

1.10. New Folder-10
Most of us understand that the "end of hostilities" came in September 1945, but the Internal
Revenue Service kept right on collecting from all those millions of American workers who had so patriotically "volunteered" to donate to the war effort. If anyone objected, they were told that there was "still a war on"----- the Cold War.

Since then we've had every kind of "war" you can think of --- wars on poverty, wars on drugs,
wars on wars, as well as innumerable other conflicts ---- like Vietnam, like Iraq I and II, like
Afghanistan..... and to hear the "Internal Revenue Service" talk, we are still volunteering and still obligated to be docked larger and larger percentages of our earnings in support of a Victory Tax.

How about this? A "War on Con Artists" and especially a "War on European Con Artists"? How about a nice big boot on Dominican Order rump?

1.11. New Folder-11 And all the members of Congress:

And all the members of Congress that have mindlessly, ruthlessly, undeniably furthered their power and paychecks by glutting on the extortion and racketeering profits rolling in from all this?

For the life of me, I don't understand why General Kelly and General Mattis and General Dunford don't have Karen Hudes hanging upside down by her thumbs, why they aren't helping us recoup our assets---which would far more than pay for their services---?

1.12. New Folder-12 NO BAR Attorneys:

They have cause to know that no Bar Attorney can hold any Public Office Why aren't they arresting at least all the Bar Members usurping upon our lawful government and occupying seats in Congress?
They have cause to know that no Bar Attorney can hold any Public Office or hold any position of trust in our government. It has been this way since 1819. Think they'd get the news?

1.13. New Folder-13 “Political Parties:

And what is this nonsense of "Political Parties"----groups of lobbyists occupying Congress as
"Representatives"? We are owed Fiduciary Deputies elected by the People (House) and State Legislatures (Senate). Not two colors of Tobacco Lobby on speed.

1.14. New Folder-14 Foreign Agents:

Why aren't our military geniuses arresting and deporting all these undeclared Foreign Agents ---- especially "IRS" employees--- and shutting down the phony Treasury Bureau? Instead of just stupidly standing here and letting these robbers steal and coerce and harm the people of this country---the same people they are hired to protect?

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Mar 3, 2019 13:23:47   #
jSmitty45
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Hi! My name is Joan, I am a retired EA (enrolled agent enrolled to practice before the IRS). I was inactive for several years because I worked for the WI Department of Revenue as a revenue agent-compliance section. Have spent over 30 years either preparing tax returns for various clients, or collecting past due returns and delinquent tax. Not nearly as exciting as you might think, and certainly not as awful, either. All types of tax from sales and wh to income, trust fund and corporate. I am conservative socially and politically as well as religiously-I believe in a 6 day creation and a 6000 + year old earth. I am also a senior citizen, having retired over 10 years ago at 65. Married to my second husband since 2004, adult children and grandchildren and otherwise normal. I love horse racing, and was involved in local elective politics for several years. Love my country, and my God and family.
Hi! My name is Joan, I am a retired EA (enrolled a... (show quote)


Welcome, us conservatives are glad you are here!

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Mar 3, 2019 13:45:15   #
Sicilianthing
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The IRS is a quasi-governmental agency. It is also a corporation incorporated in Delaware.

https://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Evidence/OrgAndDuties/IRSPrivateCorp-20070630.pdf


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Wow dude, I’ve been reading this and going to the sec links... this is flat out Criminal Trickery !
SCOTUS has deceived the people and allowed this to expand.

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Mar 3, 2019 13:46:30   #
jwrevagent
 
Red Onion Rip wrote:
Welcome aboard, Joan, I'm pretty sure from your great response to our resident 'expert' on the government, you're going to be just fine here. My handle is Red Onion Rip, but I go by Rip Van Winkle, yeah Van Winkle is my last name so what else would I go by. As for the Red Onion, that's a long story. Any way, welcome and enjoy yourself. Rip.


Thanks. I appreciate all the welcomes. I come from a family of diverse social, political and religious views, from pacifists to war mongers and anything in between. Sometimes it is hard to believe we actually care about each other, from some of the "discussions" and loud debates we have. But we have each others' backs, and I would really like it if this country would get back to the days when no matter how silly and idea sounded we were free to express it, and others were free to tell us why it wouldn't work. Do you think we will ever get back to that?

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Mar 3, 2019 14:02:53   #
jwrevagent
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Wow dude, I’ve been reading this and going to the sec links... this is flat out Criminal Trickery !
SCOTUS has deceived the people and allowed this to expand.


But since the 16th amendment to the Constitution gives the Feds the right to levy income tax, the fact that the IRS is contracted to do it really makes no difference. If not the IRS, who could you be certain would be more honest and forthright? And I know that my checks were endorsed by the US Treasury, so whether it went to the Fed Reserve, I could not say. The endorsement and the checks payable according to instructions from the IRS are to the US Treasury. I receive PUB 17 every year, and since I have been in the tax business both collecting for the State of WI, and preparing tax returns, both Fed and various states, it has been thus. I started in 1970, when the 1969 reform act became part of the laws governing taxability of income. As to collection, some one has to do it, right? So, again, if not the IRS, who? Just asking who you would trust? The US Tax is based on a voluntary compliance system, and people being who they are, some will not comply voluntarily so there are punitive fees and charges to urge compliance. The "voluntary" part of it, is that we get to self assess-meaning we report income and deductions, and determine the tax due based on information WE provide. Most governments tend to tell the people how much they owe, with no regard for individual circumstances. It is certainly not a perfect system, and the people administering it are certainly not without a tendency to greed and unfair practices, but we will never get rid of those faults in mankind, much less in bureaucrats who have a real stake in keeping their power and authority.

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Mar 3, 2019 16:51:01   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Thanks. I appreciate all the welcomes. I come from a family of diverse social, political and religious views, from pacifists to war mongers and anything in between. Sometimes it is hard to believe we actually care about each other, from some of the "discussions" and loud debates we have. But we have each others' backs, and I would really like it if this country would get back to the days when no matter how silly and idea sounded we were free to express it, and others were free to tell us why it wouldn't work. Do you think we will ever get back to that?
Thanks. I appreciate all the welcomes. I come from... (show quote)


Joan, it's like I said; people on OPP get passionate about ideas and positions which leads to flaring tempers. Would you rather have the milquetoast apathy that so many US voters exhibit?

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Mar 3, 2019 17:16:51   #
Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma
 
jwrevagent wrote:
Thanks. I appreciate all the welcomes. I come from a family of diverse social, political and religious views, from pacifists to war mongers and anything in between. Sometimes it is hard to believe we actually care about each other, from some of the "discussions" and loud debates we have. But we have each others' backs, and I would really like it if this country would get back to the days when no matter how silly and idea sounded we were free to express it, and others were free to tell us why it wouldn't work. Do you think we will ever get back to that?
Thanks. I appreciate all the welcomes. I come from... (show quote)


I don't know if we'll ever get back to that point or not. The younger generation, i.e. the millennials, who've been brain washed and programmed by their college professors to be good little socialists, won't hold intelligent conversations with conservatives, because it doesn't fit their agenda. I was very happy to find OPP where liberals and conservatives and middle of the road people can hold conversations. Sometimes they get a little heated, but that just makes for better reading. So enjoy.

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Mar 3, 2019 18:03:32   #
Sicilianthing
 
jwrevagent wrote:
But since the 16th amendment to the Constitution gives the Feds the right to levy income tax, the fact that the IRS is contracted to do it really makes no difference. If not the IRS, who could you be certain would be more honest and forthright? And I know that my checks were endorsed by the US Treasury, so whether it went to the Fed Reserve, I could not say. The endorsement and the checks payable according to instructions from the IRS are to the US Treasury. I receive PUB 17 every year, and since I have been in the tax business both collecting for the State of WI, and preparing tax returns, both Fed and various states, it has been thus. I started in 1970, when the 1969 reform act became part of the laws governing taxability of income. As to collection, some one has to do it, right? So, again, if not the IRS, who? Just asking who you would trust? The US Tax is based on a voluntary compliance system, and people being who they are, some will not comply voluntarily so there are punitive fees and charges to urge compliance. The "voluntary" part of it, is that we get to self assess-meaning we report income and deductions, and determine the tax due based on information WE provide. Most governments tend to tell the people how much they owe, with no regard for individual circumstances. It is certainly not a perfect system, and the people administering it are certainly not without a tendency to greed and unfair practices, but we will never get rid of those faults in mankind, much less in bureaucrats who have a real stake in keeping their power and authority.
But since the 16th amendment to the Constitution g... (show quote)


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Of course you’ll think that and reply as such, it’s how you were programmed to convey and deceive.
You are Wrong.
All of the above is Patently Unconstitutional and now we’re going to unwind it one way or the hard way, Dead or Alive it’s coming.

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Mar 4, 2019 13:27:04   #
jwrevagent
 
Red Onion Rip wrote:
I don't know if we'll ever get back to that point or not. The younger generation, i.e. the millennials, who've been brain washed and programmed by their college professors to be good little socialists, won't hold intelligent conversations with conservatives, because it doesn't fit their agenda. I was very happy to find OPP where liberals and conservatives and middle of the road people can hold conversations. Sometimes they get a little heated, but that just makes for better reading. So enjoy.


I do, already. I am grateful to have an honest discussion, and enjoy and encourage the passion because it is important to be solid in your beliefs. I do not like the name calling and devolving into specious accusations, when we get off the subject and make it personal. Not easy to find these days. Stopping with Facebook except to keep in touch with family members far away-do not give my opinions on much of anything there anymore. Glad to have this forum. Thanks

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