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Was Hitler a Socialist? Was Hitler a Left-Winger? Was Hitler a Liberal?
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Feb 27, 2019 11:30:34   #
sbv0130
 
JoyV wrote:
You are correct that they weren't socialist c*******ts. They were socialist and nationalist. In other words, national socialists.

I'm not sure what specifically you mean by "social ownership". I've always thought collective ideals to be a good indicator of socialist ideology.


"Social ownership" can be described as things like national parks relegated as government land, but open to the American public's use and enjoyment. Trump, however, decided to change the status of some parks and natural monuments to be used for commercial purposes, thus no longer "socially owned."

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Feb 27, 2019 15:38:15   #
JoyV
 
sbv0130 wrote:
"Social ownership" can be described as things like national parks relegated as government land, but open to the American public's use and enjoyment. Trump, however, decided to change the status of some parks and natural monuments to be used for commercial purposes, thus no longer "socially owned."


What you are calling social ownership is usually referred to as public land. It would be less confusing if you used terminology others would understand. If you believe the term not as suited as one you come up with or heard somewhere, you can use the common and state you will be using the other and why.

But we were talking about Hitler and why you believe he wasn't a socialist. What Trump has or hasn't done in no way can influence what Hitler was or did.

Nor have you got your facts straight. Obama claimed much land under the Antiquities Act from western states. Note that these were all from states where most of the land was already in government hands, and the taking of even more put a hardship on the citizens of the states in question. In eastern states, where almost all land is in the hands of private ownership; he never bothered taking any away. But those who applauded what he did, never had to give up their own land. My state has less than 18% of land privately owned. Yet Obama had AZ next on his list for land grab. The land Obama took, was forbidden to be leased for grazing, oil drilling, or other uses not endangering native species; NOR for public use!!!! So even public lands under state control open to hiking, bird watching, camping, etc.; would be closed to all use. Obama's plan was to claim large portions of land along the Grande Canyon. This would have wipe out many tourist businesses. Luckily Trump came in in time to stop it. He has rolled back some of the most outrageous land grabs, while leaving a more reasonable amount. In Utah, Obama had declared 840 million acres as a national monument under the Antiquities Act. Trump reduced it to 2 million. Isn't 2 million plenty large enough for a national monument? The Antiquities Act was established in 1906 to protect American Indian burial sites and ruins. No tribe in Utah had 840 million acres of burials.

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