Was Hitler a Socialist? Was Hitler a Left-Winger? Was Hitler a Liberal?
Feb 22, 2019 22:13:33 #
The idea that “Hitler was a left-wing socialist liberal” is a misunderstanding of the t***h at best, and at worst is misinformation spread by right-wingers to distance themselves from an extremely unpopular nativist nationalist socially conservative right-wing populist movement of the past (to be fair, in the same way a modern progressive might try to distance themselves from Stalinist C*******m).
The reality is this:
Hitler was a National Socialist (N**I). National Socialism is a type of f*****m. Although National Socialism had some socialist and left-wing planks, it is a unique authoritarian, militant, and nationalist ideology separate from socialism or liberalism that is generally considered “far-right.”[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
Below we describe why the “National Socialism” of Hitler’s National Socialist German Workers’ party is best described as a type of f*****m (a mostly populist ideology, rooted in anti-elite, militant, far-right nationalism and nativism, with some left-wing and socialist planks) and not “left-wing liberal socialism” as some might insinuate (despite the N**I party taking some collectivist and socialist stances, having some populist and l*****t qualities, and pushing some race-based socialist policies for nationals).
Further, we will describe why f*****m is best described as right-wing and not left-wing, and why, all that said, the N**Is were certainly not liberals (they are so far from being true classical liberals that I won’t address that point until further down the page).
Bottomline: Having some left-wing socialist planks doesn’t make a person or political party left-wing or socialist. If it did, Trump would be a left-wing socialist simply because he is pro-worker. And even if we think, ok, then Trump is a left-wing socialist… we know that in practice this isn’t the best term to describe him and isn’t the commonly accepted terminology. We know there is a left-right difference between Trump and Bernie (in reality and in terms of the words we use to discuss things as a people), now all we have to do is accept that there is a left-right difference between Hitler and Stalin. If we can accept that the C*******ts are on the far-left and far-right F*****ts are on the far-right of a traditional political spectrum despite sharing some planks like “being pro-worker,” then we can from there have an interesting conversation about what left-wing populist and right-wing populist movements have in common on-paper and in-practice (in history and today)! To get to that awesome intellectual debate full of merit and fact though, we need to accept that Hitler isn’t best described as a “left-wing, socialist, liberal.”
A Version of the Argument That Will Hopefully Open Your Mind Up to the T***h Enough That you Are Curious to Learn About History
When people become interested in a page like this, it is usually because they got a very short and one-sided version of the argument from right-wing or left-wing media / social media.
The reality is however, understanding the t***h requires a bit of reading and thinking. That said, I will try to frame my initial arguments in a way that a modern American can understand. I hope that will convey enough of the t***h to have you interested in learning more as opposed to digging your heels in the sand.
Hitler was not a left-wing socialist in the way we think of Bernie Sanders, instead he was an ultra nationalist with many far right positions who ALSO embraced aspects of socialism and some left-wing positions.
So already we know, Hitler and the N**Is had a mixed position. Now we just have to explain why despite that, f*****m is generally considered far right, even in the National Socialist form.
Here is the general answer, again in metaphor connected to the modern day:
You see, where Bernie is socially left-wing and about social e******y (e******y of religions, races, L**T, etc), Hitler was socially-right wing and was against the e******y of religions, races, L**T, etc.
Bernie is a social liberal, Hitler was a social conservative. Bernie is against militarism, Hitler militarized Germany and attempted to lead them to world domination.
If we accept the traditional left-right spectrum as the right being more toward social hierarchy and the left more toward social e******y, then we can see where on this axis of the spectrum we get one type of socialist on the left and the other on the right.
It is not the pro-worker sentiment (something as common in Bernie as it was in Hitler as it is in Trump) the differentiates here, that is left-wing in all cases… it is the other planks the denotes the difference. And so it is for other key issues like gun control.
The reality is, Hitler and the N**Is h**ed C*******m and other l*****t forms of socialism (especially those that embraced globalism). The reality is, taking guns from the Jews (de-arming your victim so you can round them up) is different than background check. Same plank, but context matters here!
Further, as already noted above, Hitler was not a liberal in the classic sense (he wasn’t Obama, Thomas Jefferson, or George Bush in this sense). He didn’t believe in free trade, free speech, or any other liberal plank favored by the classic left. He didn’t believe in capitalism… he was certainly not a liberal in the classical sense.
Hitler was a f*****t, and he was a specific type of f*****t that embraced some socialist planks alongside some extreme socially conservative planks that went beyond the scope of even other f*****ts of his day.
On any specific plank, I can point to any modern figure or party somewhere on the political spectrum and show the similarities to Hitler or his N**I party. But still, despite this mixed quality of the N**I platform, it is generally accepted that the totality of these planks considered together is best labeled “far right” (where some would say the far-right is so far right, and the far-left so far left, that sometimes the lines can blur… this is called horseshoe theory).
Consider the following aspects of the N**I ideology and their left-right qualities to get a better idea of what I mean above when I say “specific planks” (tip, to understand what I mean please see an explainer of left-right politics):
* Pro-Nationalism (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the N**Is became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state, thus becoming “establishment.”)
* Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-a******n for nationals (right-wing, authoritative)
* Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, social programs for the collective; right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group).
* Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, social programs for a collective; right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group).
* Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, being against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, being somewhat capitalist with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
If we cherry pick, we can say, “see, Hitler was left like Bernie, he also was pro worker and wanted social programs…. plus he wanted to ban guns.” Or if we cherry pick we can say, “see, Hitler was like Trump, he is anti-establishment and a nationalist.”
However, in reality, Hitler and the N**Is were f*****ts with a mish-mash of nationalist and socialist planks that today we generally consider far right (in part to contrast the far-left, which shares all of the left-wing planks, but only a few of the right-wing ones).
TIP: Part of the reason one would consider f*****m far right is that it is in direct opposition to C*******m, which is far left. Sure, they share planks when we compared Stalinism to N**ism (both militant, both pro worker on paper, both have socialist planks)… but we aren’t talking about what planks two ideologies share, we are talking about a full and complex picture, based on all planks. We know today a****a and a militant white nationalist don’t stand arm-in-arm during a protest, they stand opposed. So it was in WWII when the N**Is jailed, murdered, and even went to war against the C*******ts, and we use the terms left and right to differentiate these two opposing groups with different positions on the socially left and socially right spectrum.
UNDERSTANDING F*****M: To follow the logic on this page, it helps to understand what f*****m is and to understand that Hitler’s National Socialist party is well described as type of f*****t party. Although f*****m comes in different forms, and although each form has its own specific attributes, the following qualities can be said to define Hitler’s brand of “National Socialism” and f*****m in general: Opposition to Marxism, opposition to parliamentary democracy, opposition to political and cultural liberalism, opposition to the traditional ruling class (both the elite left and right), totalitarian statism, anti-intellectualism, favoring of merit-based hierarchy over class e******y (despite a pro-“common man” and pro-worker message), collectivism, imperialism, military values, idealization of the “People’s Community” / “Folk State,” idealization of the “new man,” glorification of youth and masculinity, state planning, violence, ultra-nationalism, nativism and scapegoating (extreme in the case of the N**Is, not as much in other cases), populism and anti-elitism in message (but corporatism and hierarchy in action), and the use of propaganda. See “F*****m” from the Encyclopedia Britannica for detailed articles on each point.
BOTTOMLINE ON HITLER AND “NATIONAL” “SOCIALISM”: Understood correctly, the term “National Socialism” tells you everything you need to know about the political ideology of Hitler and the N**Is. That is, it was a mix of left-wing, right-wing, socialism, and nationalism that often gets branded as “extreme right” (meaning “extreme right-wing social conservative populism“) due to its anti-Marxist and nativist nationalist qualities. Consider, Hitler and the N**Is were ultranationalist and nativist right wingers who opposed liberals, left-wing socialists, and Marxist C*******ts (right wing), but otherwise had a populist pro-labour, collectivist, and anti-capitalist message focused on “small group” socialism (left-wing; minus the “small group” part). While the socialist and left-wing aspects are notable and merit discussion, ultimately when you look at the N**I’s platform and actions (as described below) you can see that their otherwise left-wing and socialist planks were all colored by a militant, nativist, nationalist, socially conservative, and populist right-wing spirit. For example, socialism was only offered to nationals and it was only offered in a structured form in the way a military might offer it. Their public education program focused on indoctrinating the youth, their public healthcare was for German Nationals only, and guns were taken away from non-nationals only. This left-right mix of “right-wing nationalism” and “right-wing populist socialism” focused on creating a hierarchal and imperial military state the N**Is originated is a form of f*****m called “National Socialism.” When you put that in context and realize nationalism and socialism were the fad of the day in the Weimar Republic (thus these planks were used to rally a populist base frustrated with the economic liberal elite after WW2), that Hitler was the leader of the far-right nationalist wing of the N**Is (which purged the left-wing of their own party along with the other left-wing parties of the time), that Hitler modeled his National Socialist ideology off the f*****t ideology of Mussolini, and that f*****m is itself can be thought of [according to Mussolini] as a right-wing “evolution of socialism” focused on militant nationalism… it starts to paint a clear picture. For all those reasons and the many more discussed below, today most political historians will place the N**Is somewhere on the far-right of the political spectrum despite their notable left-wing, liberal, and socialist stances. Given this, it is at least misleading if not just incorrect to describe Hitler as a “left-wing liberal socialist,” as that phrasing completely ignores the ultranationalist right-wing socially conservative populist ideology that dominated Hitler’s party and platform.
ON AMERICAN POLITICS: In America, left-wingers sometimes call right wingers “f*****ts” as an insult. This is because of the socially conservative nativist nationalist populist sentiment common in some factions on the American right (travel ban, wall building, Richard Spencer, David Duke, anti-Hollywood, anti-banks, anti-elite, accusations of the
The reality is this:
Hitler was a National Socialist (N**I). National Socialism is a type of f*****m. Although National Socialism had some socialist and left-wing planks, it is a unique authoritarian, militant, and nationalist ideology separate from socialism or liberalism that is generally considered “far-right.”[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
Below we describe why the “National Socialism” of Hitler’s National Socialist German Workers’ party is best described as a type of f*****m (a mostly populist ideology, rooted in anti-elite, militant, far-right nationalism and nativism, with some left-wing and socialist planks) and not “left-wing liberal socialism” as some might insinuate (despite the N**I party taking some collectivist and socialist stances, having some populist and l*****t qualities, and pushing some race-based socialist policies for nationals).
Further, we will describe why f*****m is best described as right-wing and not left-wing, and why, all that said, the N**Is were certainly not liberals (they are so far from being true classical liberals that I won’t address that point until further down the page).
Bottomline: Having some left-wing socialist planks doesn’t make a person or political party left-wing or socialist. If it did, Trump would be a left-wing socialist simply because he is pro-worker. And even if we think, ok, then Trump is a left-wing socialist… we know that in practice this isn’t the best term to describe him and isn’t the commonly accepted terminology. We know there is a left-right difference between Trump and Bernie (in reality and in terms of the words we use to discuss things as a people), now all we have to do is accept that there is a left-right difference between Hitler and Stalin. If we can accept that the C*******ts are on the far-left and far-right F*****ts are on the far-right of a traditional political spectrum despite sharing some planks like “being pro-worker,” then we can from there have an interesting conversation about what left-wing populist and right-wing populist movements have in common on-paper and in-practice (in history and today)! To get to that awesome intellectual debate full of merit and fact though, we need to accept that Hitler isn’t best described as a “left-wing, socialist, liberal.”
A Version of the Argument That Will Hopefully Open Your Mind Up to the T***h Enough That you Are Curious to Learn About History
When people become interested in a page like this, it is usually because they got a very short and one-sided version of the argument from right-wing or left-wing media / social media.
The reality is however, understanding the t***h requires a bit of reading and thinking. That said, I will try to frame my initial arguments in a way that a modern American can understand. I hope that will convey enough of the t***h to have you interested in learning more as opposed to digging your heels in the sand.
Hitler was not a left-wing socialist in the way we think of Bernie Sanders, instead he was an ultra nationalist with many far right positions who ALSO embraced aspects of socialism and some left-wing positions.
So already we know, Hitler and the N**Is had a mixed position. Now we just have to explain why despite that, f*****m is generally considered far right, even in the National Socialist form.
Here is the general answer, again in metaphor connected to the modern day:
You see, where Bernie is socially left-wing and about social e******y (e******y of religions, races, L**T, etc), Hitler was socially-right wing and was against the e******y of religions, races, L**T, etc.
Bernie is a social liberal, Hitler was a social conservative. Bernie is against militarism, Hitler militarized Germany and attempted to lead them to world domination.
If we accept the traditional left-right spectrum as the right being more toward social hierarchy and the left more toward social e******y, then we can see where on this axis of the spectrum we get one type of socialist on the left and the other on the right.
It is not the pro-worker sentiment (something as common in Bernie as it was in Hitler as it is in Trump) the differentiates here, that is left-wing in all cases… it is the other planks the denotes the difference. And so it is for other key issues like gun control.
The reality is, Hitler and the N**Is h**ed C*******m and other l*****t forms of socialism (especially those that embraced globalism). The reality is, taking guns from the Jews (de-arming your victim so you can round them up) is different than background check. Same plank, but context matters here!
Further, as already noted above, Hitler was not a liberal in the classic sense (he wasn’t Obama, Thomas Jefferson, or George Bush in this sense). He didn’t believe in free trade, free speech, or any other liberal plank favored by the classic left. He didn’t believe in capitalism… he was certainly not a liberal in the classical sense.
Hitler was a f*****t, and he was a specific type of f*****t that embraced some socialist planks alongside some extreme socially conservative planks that went beyond the scope of even other f*****ts of his day.
On any specific plank, I can point to any modern figure or party somewhere on the political spectrum and show the similarities to Hitler or his N**I party. But still, despite this mixed quality of the N**I platform, it is generally accepted that the totality of these planks considered together is best labeled “far right” (where some would say the far-right is so far right, and the far-left so far left, that sometimes the lines can blur… this is called horseshoe theory).
Consider the following aspects of the N**I ideology and their left-right qualities to get a better idea of what I mean above when I say “specific planks” (tip, to understand what I mean please see an explainer of left-right politics):
* Pro-Nationalism (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the N**Is became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state, thus becoming “establishment.”)
* Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-a******n for nationals (right-wing, authoritative)
* Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
* Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, social programs for the collective; right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group).
* Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, social programs for a collective; right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group).
* Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, being against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, being somewhat capitalist with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
If we cherry pick, we can say, “see, Hitler was left like Bernie, he also was pro worker and wanted social programs…. plus he wanted to ban guns.” Or if we cherry pick we can say, “see, Hitler was like Trump, he is anti-establishment and a nationalist.”
However, in reality, Hitler and the N**Is were f*****ts with a mish-mash of nationalist and socialist planks that today we generally consider far right (in part to contrast the far-left, which shares all of the left-wing planks, but only a few of the right-wing ones).
TIP: Part of the reason one would consider f*****m far right is that it is in direct opposition to C*******m, which is far left. Sure, they share planks when we compared Stalinism to N**ism (both militant, both pro worker on paper, both have socialist planks)… but we aren’t talking about what planks two ideologies share, we are talking about a full and complex picture, based on all planks. We know today a****a and a militant white nationalist don’t stand arm-in-arm during a protest, they stand opposed. So it was in WWII when the N**Is jailed, murdered, and even went to war against the C*******ts, and we use the terms left and right to differentiate these two opposing groups with different positions on the socially left and socially right spectrum.
UNDERSTANDING F*****M: To follow the logic on this page, it helps to understand what f*****m is and to understand that Hitler’s National Socialist party is well described as type of f*****t party. Although f*****m comes in different forms, and although each form has its own specific attributes, the following qualities can be said to define Hitler’s brand of “National Socialism” and f*****m in general: Opposition to Marxism, opposition to parliamentary democracy, opposition to political and cultural liberalism, opposition to the traditional ruling class (both the elite left and right), totalitarian statism, anti-intellectualism, favoring of merit-based hierarchy over class e******y (despite a pro-“common man” and pro-worker message), collectivism, imperialism, military values, idealization of the “People’s Community” / “Folk State,” idealization of the “new man,” glorification of youth and masculinity, state planning, violence, ultra-nationalism, nativism and scapegoating (extreme in the case of the N**Is, not as much in other cases), populism and anti-elitism in message (but corporatism and hierarchy in action), and the use of propaganda. See “F*****m” from the Encyclopedia Britannica for detailed articles on each point.
BOTTOMLINE ON HITLER AND “NATIONAL” “SOCIALISM”: Understood correctly, the term “National Socialism” tells you everything you need to know about the political ideology of Hitler and the N**Is. That is, it was a mix of left-wing, right-wing, socialism, and nationalism that often gets branded as “extreme right” (meaning “extreme right-wing social conservative populism“) due to its anti-Marxist and nativist nationalist qualities. Consider, Hitler and the N**Is were ultranationalist and nativist right wingers who opposed liberals, left-wing socialists, and Marxist C*******ts (right wing), but otherwise had a populist pro-labour, collectivist, and anti-capitalist message focused on “small group” socialism (left-wing; minus the “small group” part). While the socialist and left-wing aspects are notable and merit discussion, ultimately when you look at the N**I’s platform and actions (as described below) you can see that their otherwise left-wing and socialist planks were all colored by a militant, nativist, nationalist, socially conservative, and populist right-wing spirit. For example, socialism was only offered to nationals and it was only offered in a structured form in the way a military might offer it. Their public education program focused on indoctrinating the youth, their public healthcare was for German Nationals only, and guns were taken away from non-nationals only. This left-right mix of “right-wing nationalism” and “right-wing populist socialism” focused on creating a hierarchal and imperial military state the N**Is originated is a form of f*****m called “National Socialism.” When you put that in context and realize nationalism and socialism were the fad of the day in the Weimar Republic (thus these planks were used to rally a populist base frustrated with the economic liberal elite after WW2), that Hitler was the leader of the far-right nationalist wing of the N**Is (which purged the left-wing of their own party along with the other left-wing parties of the time), that Hitler modeled his National Socialist ideology off the f*****t ideology of Mussolini, and that f*****m is itself can be thought of [according to Mussolini] as a right-wing “evolution of socialism” focused on militant nationalism… it starts to paint a clear picture. For all those reasons and the many more discussed below, today most political historians will place the N**Is somewhere on the far-right of the political spectrum despite their notable left-wing, liberal, and socialist stances. Given this, it is at least misleading if not just incorrect to describe Hitler as a “left-wing liberal socialist,” as that phrasing completely ignores the ultranationalist right-wing socially conservative populist ideology that dominated Hitler’s party and platform.
ON AMERICAN POLITICS: In America, left-wingers sometimes call right wingers “f*****ts” as an insult. This is because of the socially conservative nativist nationalist populist sentiment common in some factions on the American right (travel ban, wall building, Richard Spencer, David Duke, anti-Hollywood, anti-banks, anti-elite, accusations of the
Feb 22, 2019 22:50:15 #
Feb 22, 2019 23:31:17 #
Feb 22, 2019 23:49:34 #
alabuck wrote:
The idea that “Hitler was a left-wing socialist li... (show quote)
Alabuck, you lost all the right to any attention with the word "socialist." Hitler to them is now a Socialist.
Feb 23, 2019 01:38:05 #
rumitoid wrote:
Alabuck, you lost all the right to any attention with the word "socialist." Hitler to them is now a Socialist.
Actually, Hitler said he was a socialist... not us.
Feb 23, 2019 02:33:11 #
alabuck wrote:
The idea that “Hitler was a left-wing socialist li... (show quote)
This is a false narrative fostered by conservatives because they can't accept that F*****m is a right wing ideology but when you look at the principle characteristics of f*****m they align one by one with conservative ideology. What conservatives want you to believe is that Liberals are both F*****ts and Marxists at the same time and while both can radicalize into authoritarianism that's the same thing as calling someone a conservative liberal which, of course, is an oxymoron and complete and utter nonsense...
Feb 23, 2019 02:38:39 #
JW wrote:
Actually, Hitler said he was a socialist... not us.
Which is why he imprisoned and executed Socialists and C*******ts correct!
Feb 23, 2019 02:52:31 #
Snip>>>The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic. But after the N**is took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[40] However, the privatization was "applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference."[41] The N**i government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.
So if the N**i's were socialists why would the privatize their economies when other western countries were doing just the opposite?
You do understand that it's behavior and not rhetoric that defines an action don't you? Simply because someone calls himself a socialist doesn't make him one. The only time the N**i's took over businesses was when it was necessary for a war economy--something the United States did as well. But while the United States and other Western countries were turning to Socialism for answers to the depression it was Germany that embraced Capitalism as the way out. If Hitler was the Socialist that you claim why did he turn to Capitalism as an answer to the depression?
So if the N**i's were socialists why would the privatize their economies when other western countries were doing just the opposite?
You do understand that it's behavior and not rhetoric that defines an action don't you? Simply because someone calls himself a socialist doesn't make him one. The only time the N**i's took over businesses was when it was necessary for a war economy--something the United States did as well. But while the United States and other Western countries were turning to Socialism for answers to the depression it was Germany that embraced Capitalism as the way out. If Hitler was the Socialist that you claim why did he turn to Capitalism as an answer to the depression?
Feb 23, 2019 04:46:24 #
PeterS wrote:
Which is why he imprisoned and executed Socialists and C*******ts correct!
Yup! There are different brands of socialism as there are different brands of everything else. Hitler eliminated anyone who wasn't of his specific brand. His argument was over power not ideology. Eliminate the competition was his moto.
F*****m is and always has been a L*****t ideology. If you want to see f*****m today, look no further than Black L***s M****r or A****a. Compare them to Hitler's Brown Shirts and Mussolini's Black Shirts. Their tactics are identical!
Feb 23, 2019 04:51:05 #
PeterS wrote:
Snip>>> b The Great Depression had spurre... (show quote)
"privatization was applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference"
Those are the hallmarks of socialism...
Feb 23, 2019 07:57:09 #
You are talking Hyphenated Socialism.
F*****m hasn't ended its end results.
Why are you obsessed with right wing vs. Left wing? Right and left as well as varying types of socialist governments are adjectives you use in your quest for power and an elite domination of all people's and countries.
Why this obsession with N**iism? Its because you want to add labels to people to achieve your dictatorship plans.
Next you'll be spouting the C*******t theory of heaven on earth where the state withers and dies. Ha ha.
F*****m hasn't ended its end results.
Why are you obsessed with right wing vs. Left wing? Right and left as well as varying types of socialist governments are adjectives you use in your quest for power and an elite domination of all people's and countries.
Why this obsession with N**iism? Its because you want to add labels to people to achieve your dictatorship plans.
Next you'll be spouting the C*******t theory of heaven on earth where the state withers and dies. Ha ha.
Feb 23, 2019 10:53:28 #
alabuck wrote:
The idea that “Hitler was a left-wing socialist li... (show quote)
Enjoyed this excellent essay.
Feb 23, 2019 12:50:05 #
So many obsessed with Hitler, Stalin, Socialism, F*****m and C*******m, not to mention their hatred of Capitalism, and hatred of persons such as Pres. Trump and his supporters.
Youre setting up a future of civil war, revolution and destruction...all because you can't wait til 2020 or 2024.
"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven".
Youre setting up a future of civil war, revolution and destruction...all because you can't wait til 2020 or 2024.
"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven".
Feb 23, 2019 15:48:08 #
PeterS wrote:
This is a false narrative fostered by conservative... (show quote)
The utter nonsense is your hypothesis of f*****m.
Conservatives goals
1. Powerful Nationalism
2. Obsession with security
3. Wanting of punishment of crimes committed against the people.
4. Identifying of enemies as unifying cause
Liberal/progressive goals
1. Disdain for human rights for all.
2. Rampant sexism.
3. F********t e******ns.
4. Controlled mass media.
5. Authoritarianism is much more common in progressives and the left than the right, in this day and times.
Neither
1. Religion and Gov. entwined.
2. Corporate power protected.
This is how I see the division of parties.
Feb 23, 2019 20:26:52 #
JW wrote:
Actually, Hitler said he was a socialist... not us.
He also said he was a Nationalist, much like someone else we all know.
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