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Feb 24, 2019 11:40:45   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
JoyV wrote:
I see. I would have said I was against his g****r based policies. Or even against his homosexual policies. In my opinion, by saying he is a homosexual it takes the attention away from the policies and onto him. And it reduces the argument to one of personality instead of policy. And those who want to address policy issue are more likely to dismiss what you have to say.


Noted, you are a good example to learn from..thanks!

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Feb 24, 2019 12:59:53   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
Had the same experience more than once.


They tend to sweep things they don't agree with under the rug.

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Feb 24, 2019 13:14:40   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
byronglimish wrote:
The big push by Obama's homosexual policies and other sexual disphoria support is why I mention it.

Obama brought it "ALL" out of the closet and bedroom and I believe it's relevant to how he governed.

The President now, has had sexual issues but doesn't promote it as policy into law.

A lot of so called Christians believe that homosexuality isn't against the Creator as a a*********n, but that's not my belief.

I watched with my own eyes the profain sexual behavior and lifestyles, like old perverted men wanting to watch little girls in the bathrooms, being promoted as normal.

So perverse sexuality isn't a personal issue with Obama, it was a national policy being forced on Americans.
The big push by Obama's homosexual policies and ot... (show quote)


As far as I know only one employee was a homosexual and Sgt. Major run him before his first day ended.

There were two Obama men back in 2014 flashing badges demanding they had to record all the gun's on the place. Sgt. Major was very polite and accommodating and helped.

He explained they wanted to hurry up so they could go fishing before it got to hot. Those agents loved to fish and invited themselves to go along.

I really don't know what happened, but according to Sgt. Major they either fell out of the boat or decided to go swimming. Anyway the aligators got them. Even their government car was found in a parking lot in Natchez about 50 miles away.

Obama never sent anyone else to inventory our guns but 6 of the 8 years Obamas IRS audited my tax returns.

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Feb 24, 2019 17:05:35   #
Seth
 
old marine wrote:
As far as I know only one employee was a homosexual and Sgt. Major run him before his first day ended.

There were two Obama men back in 2014 flashing badges demanding they had to record all the gun's on the place. Sgt. Major was very polite and accommodating and helped.

He explained they wanted to hurry up so they could go fishing before it got to hot. Those agents loved to fish and invited themselves to go along.

I really don't know what happened, but according to Sgt. Major they either fell out of the boat or decided to go swimming. Anyway the aligators got them. Even their government car was found in a parking lot in Natchez about 50 miles away.

Obama never sent anyone else to inventory our guns but 6 of the 8 years Obamas IRS audited my tax returns.
As far as I know only one employee was a homosexua... (show quote)


'Gators need to eat too, and Obama people going after citizens' firearms sound like just the right combination of food groups needed to guarantee good, healthy 'gators.

The Obama IRS people would've made a great dessert. Lois Lerner flambe, maybe, done with a good VSOP brandy.

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Feb 24, 2019 17:10:48   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nothing to do with the policies for America, more to do with the lies and other personality traits he displays that are unbecoming of an American president or any world leader for that matter.


So the fact that he is actually doing outstanding things for the country and putting America first don't count, as long as he doesn't fit your image for a president.

Does this mean you'd prefer a useless or worse chief executive as long as he acted what you consider "p**********l?"

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Feb 24, 2019 17:25:00   #
Seth
 
maryjane wrote:
While everything you say is true, the use of terms by the progressives/l*****ts is dangerous. Recently, I was reading an article pertaining to immigration, where the author used only the word "immigrants." Because I am well aware of the huge difference between immigrants and i*****l a***ns, the article was confusing, but all became clear once I understood that the author was speaking of i*****l a***ns. Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of American citizens, today, know quite well of which they speak and obfuscate on purpose OR they are so ignorant as to just take all the words/statements literally and believe them all without thought. Thus, the ignorant, non-thinkers are easily and constantly confused. A prime example of both this and opinion polls are the recently conducted polls about "Medicare for all." When asked if they were in favor of, supportive of, wanted Medicare for all, a large percentage said "YES." But, later, when asked about support for the program if it meant higher/more taxes, the percentage saying "yes" was much lower. I no longer answer polls because the questions are not asked in a way allowing me to answer since I am never supportive of either response possibility offered.
While everything you say is true, the use of terms... (show quote)


Nearly 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, too many Americans who should know better are falling prey to the same propaganda methods used back then, mostly through our own media and educational institutions.

The left subtly changes the meanings of words or applies them to unrelated issues in order to either villify or sugar-coat them.

One important exhortation from the founders that has been largely forgotten is that it is the job of we, the people to vigilantly look over the shoulders of our elected officials to ascertain exactly what it is they're doing on our "behalf."

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Feb 24, 2019 17:29:01   #
Seth
 
maryjane wrote:
True, but I try to point out the differences, the corrections, whenever I can. When I do this, I never get any responses. So, maybe I made a liberal actually think about if they are being snookered, lied to about things.


I honestly believe "liberals" who actually want to do the right thing should be required to read Dr. Thomas Sowell's "Visions of the Annointed."

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Feb 24, 2019 17:35:49   #
Seth
 
old marine wrote:
Top of the day to you my friend lindajoy.

It's a wet 73 down here in the boondocks today, havent been able to work all week.

Got to go Nurse Janis is coming with her squate, dull needle to give me another darn shot. Already my behind loosk like a pin cousin.

๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅ€๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒทโš˜๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘


-- "Ouch!"

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Feb 24, 2019 18:00:30   #
Seth
 
JoyV wrote:
Yet it is the liberals who feel the need for safe spaces. It is the liberals whose response to losing the p**********l e******n was to hold a group scream. It is the left politicians who use emotional arguments to counter border security such as saying a wall is immoral, and AOC saying, โ€œI think that there a lot of people more concerned with being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right.โ€ On follow up she opined being morally right was far more important than being factual. It is the left which asserts requiring proof of citizenship to v**e is r****t. It is the left which predicted withdraw from the Paris Accords is a global disaster which may destroy the Earth.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psychology-progressive-hostility/

In your own post is an example of emotional hyperbole of pseudo facts instead of facts to back up your ideology. You wrote, "There have been studies to show that while conservatives tend to have a larger right amygdala (associated with the emotions one feels and the "fight or flight" mechanism), liberals tend to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex
(the area that is responsible for taking in new information and that impact of the new information on decision making or choices)*."

Lets look at this assertion. It starts with "there have been studies..." If so, you should be able to cite them.

And here is an excerpt from a study which actually measured the areas of the brain you referenced. Yet the brain areas seem to have different functions than you asserted:
"In the context of risk-taking decision-making, the amygdala is thought to be important for the processing of affective attributes involved in decision making [16]โ€“[18]. The insular cortex is involved in the representation of internal bodily cues crucial for subjective feeling states." This was from: Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans
Darren Schreiber, 1 , 2 , * Greg Fonzo, 3 Alan N. Simmons, 4 , 5 Christopher T. Dawes, 6 Taru F**gan, 4 , 7 James H. Fowler, 8 , 9 and Martin P. Paulus 4 , 5 , 7
Andrew H. Kemp, Editor

And how were these studies done. Most did not do any brain measurements but relied of assignment of values with certain values considered to be generated more by negative emotions others by logic and positive emotions. But even if those values were symptomatic of the brain portion they assigned it; how were those values identified. Lets look at the value of compassion which researchers considered to be associated with the left. What identifies compassion. If a conservative offered a meal or a job to someone hungry or out of work, that was not considered as compassionate as a liberal participating in a protest march for a cause the researchers considered compassionate.

Here is an excerpt from a Cognitive and Physiological study which is used to back up the hypothesis that you asserted:
"Personality differences and evolutionary theories may be reflected in how individuals respond, cognitively and physiologically, to environmental stimuli. In general, the further one is on the conservative spectrum, the more likely one is to respond to negative aspects of environmental stimuli, as opposed to positive aspects.22โ€“24,57 This โ€œnegativity biasโ€ is evident in studies showing that negative images shown to political conservatives, compared with political liberals, results in a greater, faster, and longer attentional focus on the images and greater physiological measures of arousal to them, as well as a stronger tendency to avoid them.55,58 For example, on presentations of valenced words on an emotional Stroop task, people with politically conservative views respond more slowly to negative words, suggesting that negative information automatically captures their attention.58 On a dot-probe task, political conservatives are more likely to direct their attention toward spatial locations where the negative information was presented.58 Physiologically, political conservatives, compared with political liberals, tend to have increased skin conductance responses to negative or aversive aspects of the environment.55,58,59 On eye-tracking of negative images, political conservatives, compared with political liberals, are faster to fixate on them, spend more time gazing at them, and have a stronger tendency to move away from them.55,60 Although multiple memory systems are involved in political decision making,61 political conservatism is also specifically correlated with negativity bias in remembering more negative than positive information or scenes.57,62"

But wouldn't someone with more compassion react in just such a way far more than someone who is reacting in fear?

As for the stronger reaction to threats, again they look at only one possible reason. But wouldn't collectivistic herd mentality react less to threats than individualistic self reliant people. The former can feel safety in the group and not have to decide in each instance how to respond, but rely more of the group to determine the appropriate response. While the individualist needs to make each decision himself as he is responsible for his own safety. Now I am not saying this is the case. But it is one possible conclussion of the data collected.

These researchers seem to be a bit confused when they try to explain some reactions based on ideology. Here is a good example, "Conservatives tend to use โ€œgut-reactionโ€ heuristics and more step-by-step methodical analyses, whereas liberals tend to be more reflective (e.g., on the Cognitive Reflection Test) and prone to sudden insight solutions.66" On the conservative side they partner "gut reaction" and "step-by-step methodical analysis". Aren't those pretty closed to being mutually exclusive. Note also that the term they use for conservatives of "gut reaction" and the term for liberals of "sudden insights"; are actually the same thing. One just sounds better.

This conclusion interpretation, "In a meta-analysis of over 22,000 participants, political liberals had a preference for deep thought and a rejection of simple solutions." can also be described as political liberals have a preference for complicating things taking convoluted paths to simple solutions. This could mean that conservatives are better at seeing consequences of actions than are liberals.


So a lot depends on the value and interpretation the researcher place on the reactions. This leads me to ask, what is the ideology of the researchers? Another curious detail not covered in any of the studies I've read is the fact that the ratio of left to right ideologies is different in different age groups. In the under 30 group, there are far more left wing individuals. In the over 30, more right wing individuals. So does this mean the brain differences associated with left or right views are normal changes of maturity?

https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.16030051
Yet it is the liberals who feel the need for safe ... (show quote)


Well done!

That had to be the single most scholarly way I've yet seen a pseudo-intellectual post skewered with such finesse and finality.

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Feb 24, 2019 18:29:57   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Seth wrote:
So the fact that he is actually doing outstanding things for the country and putting America first don't count, as long as he doesn't fit your image for a president.

Does this mean you'd prefer a useless or worse chief executive as long as he acted what you consider "p**********l?"


Not everything he has taken credit for was done by him or even during his term in office. Several of his "accomplishments" are merely a continuing trend from before he became president and his administration simply never stopped the progress. Not stopping progress isn't the same thing as creating that progress.

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Feb 24, 2019 18:50:23   #
Seth
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not everything he has taken credit for was done by him or even during his term in office. Several of his "accomplishments" are merely a continuing trend from before he became president and his administration simply never stopped the progress. Not stopping progress isn't the same thing as creating that progress.


Could of fooled me.

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Feb 24, 2019 20:18:25   #
emarine
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not everything he has taken credit for was done by him or even during his term in office. Several of his "accomplishments" are merely a continuing trend from before he became president and his administration simply never stopped the progress. Not stopping progress isn't the same thing as creating that progress.




Trump stepped into the Natural Gas revolution right at the point of expense turning into profits โ€ฆ all the legwork was provided by lawmakers from the last admin... this made the US the leader in energy export... trump gets credit for doing nothing again & energy export boosts our GDP bigtime...

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Feb 24, 2019 20:21:13   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Seth wrote:
'Gators need to eat too, and Obama people going after citizens' firearms sound like just the right combination of food groups needed to guarantee good, healthy 'gators.

The Obama IRS people would've made a great dessert. Lois Lerner flambe, maybe, done with a good VSOP brandy.


Had they ever visited the tree farm Sgt. Major would have graded them "Choice prime" gator food.

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Feb 24, 2019 22:34:16   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Seth wrote:
Nearly 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, too many Americans who should know better are falling prey to the same propaganda methods used back then, mostly through our own media and educational institutions.

The left subtly changes the meanings of words or applies them to unrelated issues in order to either villify or sugar-coat them.

One important exhortation from the founders that has been largely forgotten is that it is the job of we, the people to vigilantly look over the shoulders of our elected officials to ascertain exactly what it is they're doing on our "behalf."
Nearly 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet U... (show quote)


The same tactics the devil, satan or what ever labels you want. He takes a rotten apple and candy coates and it looks so good and delicious until you bite into it and find out its just a rotten apple.

Socialists is like that rotten apple.

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Feb 24, 2019 22:37:38   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Seth wrote:
-- "Ouch!"


You forgot to add "damn that hurt" ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Ž

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