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Feb 24, 2019 07:38:38   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
byronglimish wrote:
What policy do you oppose? Or is it him personally?

With Obama, I oppose him thoroughly!


All loyal American Patriots both Democrats and Republicans with a functional brain was against the Socialist agenda.

That's why they v**ed against Hillary Clinton and elected President Trump, a true American Patriot.

🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 24, 2019 07:53:50   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
JoyV wrote:
While I am open to the idea that those on the left are not the only ones to use reality changing words and phrases -- your example is puzzling. If you asked someone several decades ago what the words "f**e news" meant, they would almost surely news reports which were false. This is still what the term means. News stories which are incorrect in substance. Whether intentional or due to simply running with a story without first checking its authenticity.


It's possible that 'f**e news' isn't the best example. However, 'f**e news' has gathered a new meaning beyond false reporting. It can now be used by anyone, including all future presidents, to describe news they don't like, whether true or false. So, and I'm spit balling here, we have a new reality: one where we now have to determine more than the t***h of falsity of a news item, but also whether it is simply something a person declaring 'f**e news' doesn't want to hear even though that item might be true.

I appreciate your input and for giving me a chance to explain, hopefully not to muddy the up the subject.

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Feb 24, 2019 08:06:42   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
byronglimish wrote:

What policy do you oppose?

I don't have enough space to list al his Socialist policies. So I will try to list a few. Ignoring the laws he didn't like, selling guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels that got some of our border guards murdered. Treason by approving Hillary Clinton to sell American uranium to the Russians. Covering up crimes his administration committed. Pardoned his AG to prevent Congress for trying him for treason and murder.


byronglimish wrote:

Or is it him personally?

I do not like homosexual people, lies, thieves, muslims or Socialist that try to destroy my beloved America and install Socialist.


byronglimish wrote:

With Obama, I oppose him thoroughly!

I agree with you totally.




🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 24, 2019 08:18:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
byronglimish wrote:
To me it's weird that people are fine with a homosexual President who duped half of America.

But h**e an adulter who is trying to build the nation back up.


Is your hatred because of something he did 20 years ago or because of jealousy that you didn't get to have a porn star
or playboy bunny to fool around with?

Maybe because of his success in

MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


🇺🇸 God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 24, 2019 08:23:47   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
If you choose to bring conspiracy theories into this discussion, I will choose to back out of it. There is absolutely nothing to base a "homosexual" allegation towards Obama on, other than some right wing nut job made the accusation and everybody piles onto it. You don't see ANYBODY making that allegation towards Trump do you? All the allegations I see directed towards Trump are either well documented or there is reason to suspect them to be true. Let us stick to the facts and the t***h.
If you choose to bring conspiracy theories into th... (show quote)


President Trump was never caught in the back seat of a limousine in gauged in a homosexual act like Obama was. It was covered up and his "friend" was paid off.

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Feb 24, 2019 08:35:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
maryjane wrote:
True, but I try to point out the differences, the corrections, whenever I can. When I do this, I never get any responses. So, maybe I made a liberal actually think about if they are being snookered, lied to about things.


I’m glad you do too...

It seems everytime we turn around there’s a new term or label someone has come up with just to self identify... I bet you don’t get a response because they can not justify wh**ever it is you call them on... That’s the best response since they can not refute you!!!

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Feb 24, 2019 08:58:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
Yet it is the liberals who feel the need for safe spaces. It is the liberals whose response to losing the p**********l e******n was to hold a group scream. It is the left politicians who use emotional arguments to counter border security such as saying a wall is immoral, and AOC saying, “I think that there a lot of people more concerned with being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right.” On follow up she opined being morally right was far more important than being factual. It is the left which asserts requiring proof of citizenship to v**e is r****t. It is the left which predicted withdraw from the Paris Accords is a global disaster which may destroy the Earth.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psychology-progressive-hostility/

In your own post is an example of emotional hyperbole of pseudo facts instead of facts to back up your ideology. You wrote, "There have been studies to show that while conservatives tend to have a larger right amygdala (associated with the emotions one feels and the "fight or flight" mechanism), liberals tend to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex
(the area that is responsible for taking in new information and that impact of the new information on decision making or choices)*."

Lets look at this assertion. It starts with "there have been studies..." If so, you should be able to cite them.

And here is an excerpt from a study which actually measured the areas of the brain you referenced. Yet the brain areas seem to have different functions than you asserted:
"In the context of risk-taking decision-making, the amygdala is thought to be important for the processing of affective attributes involved in decision making [16]–[18]. The insular cortex is involved in the representation of internal bodily cues crucial for subjective feeling states." This was from: Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans
Darren Schreiber, 1 , 2 , * Greg Fonzo, 3 Alan N. Simmons, 4 , 5 Christopher T. Dawes, 6 Taru F**gan, 4 , 7 James H. Fowler, 8 , 9 and Martin P. Paulus 4 , 5 , 7
Andrew H. Kemp, Editor

And how were these studies done. Most did not do any brain measurements but relied of assignment of values with certain values considered to be generated more by negative emotions others by logic and positive emotions. But even if those values were symptomatic of the brain portion they assigned it; how were those values identified. Lets look at the value of compassion which researchers considered to be associated with the left. What identifies compassion. If a conservative offered a meal or a job to someone hungry or out of work, that was not considered as compassionate as a liberal participating in a protest march for a cause the researchers considered compassionate.

Here is an excerpt from a Cognitive and Physiological study which is used to back up the hypothesis that you asserted:
"Personality differences and evolutionary theories may be reflected in how individuals respond, cognitively and physiologically, to environmental stimuli. In general, the further one is on the conservative spectrum, the more likely one is to respond to negative aspects of environmental stimuli, as opposed to positive aspects.22–24,57 This “negativity bias” is evident in studies showing that negative images shown to political conservatives, compared with political liberals, results in a greater, faster, and longer attentional focus on the images and greater physiological measures of arousal to them, as well as a stronger tendency to avoid them.55,58 For example, on presentations of valenced words on an emotional Stroop task, people with politically conservative views respond more slowly to negative words, suggesting that negative information automatically captures their attention.58 On a dot-probe task, political conservatives are more likely to direct their attention toward spatial locations where the negative information was presented.58 Physiologically, political conservatives, compared with political liberals, tend to have increased skin conductance responses to negative or aversive aspects of the environment.55,58,59 On eye-tracking of negative images, political conservatives, compared with political liberals, are faster to fixate on them, spend more time gazing at them, and have a stronger tendency to move away from them.55,60 Although multiple memory systems are involved in political decision making,61 political conservatism is also specifically correlated with negativity bias in remembering more negative than positive information or scenes.57,62"

But wouldn't someone with more compassion react in just such a way far more than someone who is reacting in fear?

As for the stronger reaction to threats, again they look at only one possible reason. But wouldn't collectivistic herd mentality react less to threats than individualistic self reliant people. The former can feel safety in the group and not have to decide in each instance how to respond, but rely more of the group to determine the appropriate response. While the individualist needs to make each decision himself as he is responsible for his own safety. Now I am not saying this is the case. But it is one possible conclussion of the data collected.

These researchers seem to be a bit confused when they try to explain some reactions based on ideology. Here is a good example, "Conservatives tend to use “gut-reaction” heuristics and more step-by-step methodical analyses, whereas liberals tend to be more reflective (e.g., on the Cognitive Reflection Test) and prone to sudden insight solutions.66" On the conservative side they partner "gut reaction" and "step-by-step methodical analysis". Aren't those pretty closed to being mutually exclusive. Note also that the term they use for conservatives of "gut reaction" and the term for liberals of "sudden insights"; are actually the same thing. One just sounds better.

This conclusion interpretation, "In a meta-analysis of over 22,000 participants, political liberals had a preference for deep thought and a rejection of simple solutions." can also be described as political liberals have a preference for complicating things taking convoluted paths to simple solutions. This could mean that conservatives are better at seeing consequences of actions than are liberals.


So a lot depends on the value and interpretation the researcher place on the reactions. This leads me to ask, what is the ideology of the researchers? Another curious detail not covered in any of the studies I've read is the fact that the ratio of left to right ideologies is different in different age groups. In the under 30 group, there are far more left wing individuals. In the over 30, more right wing individuals. So does this mean the brain differences associated with left or right views are normal changes of maturity?

https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.16030051
Yet it is the liberals who feel the need for safe ... (show quote)


Reminded me of a psych one course taken my first year of college, well done....

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Feb 24, 2019 10:32:09   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I will not be "baited" into a prolonged argument with you, regardless how hard you try. Accept that or don't, that is your choice.

Interesting observation, It seems to me that you have some perverse preference to attempt to engage in prolonged arguments solely with me, not with anyone else of either the left, center, or right persuasion, should I take this as an insult or as a compliment? Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I just haven't taken notice of when you have tried to "bait" others, perhaps I just never saw these occassions, that too is possible.
I will not be "baited" into a prolonged ... (show quote)


This seems a rather self centered view. I respond to any post which I find an interest for either disputing, offering an alternative view, offering an addition, or sometimes simply stating my agreement. In fact I rarely even notice who wrote the post until after I hit the quote button.

Nor am I baiting. I am offering my opinion or disputing another's assertions.

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Feb 24, 2019 10:41:37   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nothing to do with the policies for America, more to do with the lies and other personality traits he displays that are unbecoming of an American president or any world leader for that matter.


Ah. Personality politics. This reinforces my arguments of the article's conclusions. The article wants to paint the left as less emotional and basing their decisions on well thought out logic. While it paints the right as paranoidal reactors. You are opposed to Trump not because of any well thought out logic that revealed his policies to be flawed, but because of personality traits. While I was opposed to Obama, Bush, and Hillary because of their actions and policies which I concluded would do harm, or had done harm, our nation. Their personalities had nothing to do with it.

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Feb 24, 2019 10:46:15   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
old marine wrote:
President Trump was never caught in the back seat of a limousine in gauged in a homosexual act like Obama was. It was covered up and his "friend" was paid off.


One of his fancy fellows was murdered too.

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Feb 24, 2019 10:46:47   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
If you choose to bring conspiracy theories into this discussion, I will choose to back out of it. There is absolutely nothing to base a "homosexual" allegation towards Obama on, other than some right wing nut job made the accusation and everybody piles onto it. You don't see ANYBODY making that allegation towards Trump do you? All the allegations I see directed towards Trump are either well documented or there is reason to suspect them to be true. Let us stick to the facts and the t***h.
If you choose to bring conspiracy theories into th... (show quote)


I agree with you on not using emotional labels such as calling Obama a homosexual or Trump a r****t. In both instances it moves the thread from an adult discussion toward a childish rant.

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Feb 24, 2019 10:48:46   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
That's an old trick of the Socialist Dim-O-Crats. Either way you answer gives the wrong message.

I did one of those Socialist Democrats poll once. Apparently they didn't like my answers and deleated them.

They didn't like the t***h as it didn't fit their own Socialist agenda.


Had the same experience more than once.

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Feb 24, 2019 10:56:39   #
JoyV
 
working class stiff wrote:
It's possible that 'f**e news' isn't the best example. However, 'f**e news' has gathered a new meaning beyond false reporting. It can now be used by anyone, including all future presidents, to describe news they don't like, whether true or false. So, and I'm spit balling here, we have a new reality: one where we now have to determine more than the t***h of falsity of a news item, but also whether it is simply something a person declaring 'f**e news' doesn't want to hear even though that item might be true.

I appreciate your input and for giving me a chance to explain, hopefully not to muddy the up the subject.
It's possible that 'f**e news' isn't the best exam... (show quote)


I hope this will not happen on the p**********l level. But yes, I do see it happening in the general populace and even with some in congress. Now there are those out there, encouraged by false reporting, to assume when Trump says something reported was f**e; to assume he is lying or wrong. Yet if it is something which can be verified by researching the event, law, or other documentation; most never check for themselves. Some look at fact checking sights put out by the same left wing sources. But if you actually look more deeply, those who have bought the accusation that he is a liar and incompetent will be shocked at how often he is spot on!

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Feb 24, 2019 11:01:34   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
JoyV wrote:
I agree with you on not using emotional labels such as calling Obama a homosexual or Trump a r****t. In both instances it moves the thread from an adult discussion toward a childish rant.


The big push by Obama's homosexual policies and other sexual disphoria support is why I mention it.

Obama brought it "ALL" out of the closet and bedroom and I believe it's relevant to how he governed.

The President now, has had sexual issues but doesn't promote it as policy into law.

A lot of so called Christians believe that homosexuality isn't against the Creator as a a*********n, but that's not my belief.

I watched with my own eyes the profain sexual behavior and lifestyles, like old perverted men wanting to watch little girls in the bathrooms, being promoted as normal.

So perverse sexuality isn't a personal issue with Obama, it was a national policy being forced on Americans.

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Feb 24, 2019 11:38:22   #
JoyV
 
byronglimish wrote:
The big push by Obama's homosexual policies and other sexual disphoria support is why I mention it.

Obama brought it "ALL" out of the closet and bedroom and I believe it's relevant to how he governed.

The President now, has had sexual issues but doesn't promote it as policy into law.

A lot of so called Christians believe that homosexuality isn't against the Creator as a a*********n, but that's not my belief.

I watched with my own eyes the profain sexual behavior and lifestyles, like old perverted men wanting to watch little girls in the bathrooms, being promoted as normal.

So perverse sexuality isn't a personal issue with Obama, it was a national policy being forced on Americans.
The big push by Obama's homosexual policies and ot... (show quote)


I see. I would have said I was against his g****r based policies. Or even against his homosexual policies. In my opinion, by saying he is a homosexual it takes the attention away from the policies and onto him. And it reduces the argument to one of personality instead of policy. And those who want to address policy issue are more likely to dismiss what you have to say.

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