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Feb 19, 2019 11:45:10   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
Also there are billions of dollars earmarked for drug trafficking and enforcement. That, along with human and child trafficking, is the prime reason a wall is needed!!!!



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Feb 19, 2019 11:50:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
debeda wrote:
If Putin h**ed HRC so much why did he and the russian big wigs donate millions to the Clinton foundation and pay Bill half a mil to do a speech and then entertain him in putins home after the speech? That makes no sense.


I truly do not know.. I never heard that dinner was at Putins house..

But what did Russia gain from those overpay speeches?

I can recall nothing that matches..

thought it was paid by some oligoths who I would think were looking for some sort of cash return on the investment.. Was it good for them?



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Feb 19, 2019 11:52:35   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Interview with Bill O’Reilly, Feb. 2, 2014

O’Reilly: OK. I got a letter from Kathy LaMaster, Fresno, Calif. I said I would read one letter from the folks, all right?

Obama: All right.

O’Reilly: "Mr. President, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally t***sform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?"

Obama: I don't think we have to fundamentally t***sform the nation.


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O’Reilly: But those are your words.

Obama: I think that what we have to do is make sure that here in America, if you work hard, you can get ahead. Bill, you and I benefitted from this incredible country of ours, in part, because there were good jobs out there that paid a good wage, because you had public schools that functioned well, that we could get scholarships if we didn't come from a wealthy family, in order to go to college.

O’Reilly: Right.

Obama: That, you know, if you worked hard, not only did you have a good job, but you also had decent benefits, decent health care...

O’Reilly: They're cutting me off...

Obama: -- and for a lot of folks, we don't have that. We've got to make sure that we're doing everything we can to expand the middle class...

O’Reilly: All right...

Obama: -- and work hard and people who are working hard can get into the middle class.

O’Reilly: I think -- I -- you know, I know you think maybe we haven't been fair, but I think your heart is in the right place.

Here’s Obama’s original statement, in an October 2008 campaign visit to Columbia, Mo:

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally t***sforming the United States of America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."
Interview with Bill O’Reilly, Feb. 2, 2014 br br ... (show quote)


You forgot to mention the multiple times Obama claimed the United States Constitution is a living document. When he said it was obsolete. The time he said it was just a piece of parchment. And the multiple times he said or implied the UN and international law took precedence over US Constitutional law. If he believed that socialist policies would result in the above improvements, and if he believed the US Constitution stood in the way of such policies; then the two messages would not be counter two each other. Even if his goals were as he stated in the speech you quoted from; his policies, and d******e statements did not, nor ever would accomplish them! His Chicago speech is much more revealing.

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/president-obama-says-us-constitution-just-piece-parchment
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/obama-leaves-the-constitution-weaker-than-he-found-it/512015/
https://www.amicc.org/obama-administration
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2008/11/03/barack-obamas-poor-understanding-of-the-constitution
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-tribes/obama-backs-u-n-indigenous-rights-declaration-idUSTRE6BF4QJ20101216
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/#513a7fdf7667

Now before you point out that some of my links are to conservative sites, many left wing sites rarely report anything which might paint Obama in a negative light. But though some of the sites are conservative, they do quote what Obama said.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:01:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
You forgot to mention the multiple times Obama claimed the United States Constitution is a living document. When he said it was obsolete. The time he said it was just a piece of parchment. And the multiple times he said or implied the UN and international law took precedence over US Constitutional law. If he believed that socialist policies would result in the above improvements, and if he believed the US Constitution stood in the way of such policies; then the two messages would not be counter two each other. Even if his goals were as he stated in the speech you quoted from; his policies, and d******e statements did not, nor ever would accomplish them! His Chicago speech is much more revealing.

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/president-obama-says-us-constitution-just-piece-parchment
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/obama-leaves-the-constitution-weaker-than-he-found-it/512015/
https://www.amicc.org/obama-administration
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2008/11/03/barack-obamas-poor-understanding-of-the-constitution
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-tribes/obama-backs-u-n-indigenous-rights-declaration-idUSTRE6BF4QJ20101216
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/#513a7fdf7667

Now before you point out that some of my links are to conservative sites, many left wing sites rarely report anything which might paint Obama in a negative light. But though some of the sites are conservative, they do quote what Obama said.
You forgot to mention the multiple times Obama cla... (show quote)




Any logical thought would agree that a 200 year old document should indeed be considered a living document and could well be changed as society changed to things that the founding fathers could not even have imagined.. Technology alone bring huge changes to the way we live..

It seems strange, while I could list a page-full of things about President Obama that I did not like, I still admire him and he will indeed be recorded as one of our finest Presidents..

Yet you orange lovers can not find a single deed wrong with trumps pillaging or unamerican activities..

as a group the right wing is a pathetic unpatriotic group of anti-Americans..

they are opposed to anything which would make America greater.. We have always been great and we still are. but as we lose ground nothing to better the situation comes from the right or their orange glob of selfishness..



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Feb 19, 2019 12:05:23   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
With stories being promoted about the Steele dossier and Russian uranium interests, Americans should remember the most important fact of the matter regarding Russian attempts to subvert our democracy, and that’s this:

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin h**ed Hillary Clinton and worked aggressively to destroy her p**********l candidacy, and supported Donald Trump and ordered successors to the KGB to go all out in a covert campaign to elect Trump as president.


Putin h**ed Clinton. Putin supported Trump. Clinton battled every Russian attempt to subvert democracy in the United States and Europe. Trump, the greatest political beneficiary of the Russian aggression against democracy, denies the aggression is happening and calls investigations of the crime nothing more than f**e news and h**xes.


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/357504-as-russia-probe-gains-steam-remember-why-putin-h**ed-clinton-and


During the Obama presidency, the Russian dictator made a dramatic decision to order his intelligence services to penetrate the highest councils of the American government to wield his power, and to turn his intelligence services into a virtual super PAC spreading lies against Clinton and working all channels to achieve the e******n of Trump.

Instead of being the subject of a political investigation into the matter of Russian uranium, a subject that Clinton had little involvement in that has been discussed at length for many months, the great t***h about Clinton is this:

Hillary Clinton deserves a profile in courage award and a p**********l medal of freedom for forcefully resisting Russian attempts to penetrate the high councils of the American government and bring Russian power to bear against American democracy.


When Russia tried to exert its power while Clinton was secretary of State, she defended America against Russia so fiercely that Putin moved aggressively against her. She should wear this as a badge of honor. History will speak kindly of her courage in standing up for American interests.

When Russia moved to exert power after Trump was elected president, the result brought revelations of countless meetings between people close to Trump and players working for Putin, repeated failures to disclose these meetings even in forms for security clearance, and matters now under criminal and counterintelligence investigations by the FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller. Trump will not wear this as a badge of honor. History will not speak kindly of his role in this seamy affair.

Putin h**ed Clinton because he could not buy her support or bully her into acquiescence in his plots to penetrate the American government and subvert American democracy. Putin h**ed Clinton because he knew she was onto him and feared her resistance against his plans and plots.
With stories being promoted about the Steele dossi... (show quote)


The intelligence reports which the left rely on to back their position the Putin worked against Hillary in the campaign, included that Russia worked against Trump AND Hillary in the campaign. The left only wants to look at the fact they worked against Hillary and conclude they MUST have therefor been pro Trump. But instead the reports show Russia was sowing confusion and discontent against America in our e******ns.

As for their attempts to hack government, industry, and other American sites; they have been attempting to do that almost since there was an internet. Were those hacking attempts done with the intent to help the future candidate Trump decades before he ran? That they did not STOP trying to hack American sites during the 2016 campaign, in no way implicates any collusion with Trump!

Do most people donate money to causes or foundations of those they h**e?

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Feb 19, 2019 12:15:53   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
permafrost wrote:
Any logical thought would agree that a 200 year old document should indeed be considered a living document and could well be changed as society changed to things that the founding fathers could not even have imagined.. Technology alone bring huge changes to the way we live..

It seems strange, while I could list a page-full of things about President Obama that I did not like, I still admire him and he will indeed be recorded as one of our finest Presidents..

Yet you orange lovers can not find a single deed wrong with trumps pillaging or unamerican activities..

as a group the right wing is a pathetic unpatriotic group of anti-Americans..

they are opposed to anything which would make America greater.. We have always been great and we still are. but as we lose ground nothing to better the situation comes from the right or their orange glob of selfishness..
Any logical thought would agree that a 200 year ol... (show quote)


You make a lot of ignorant and dishonest statements, then pigeon strut around the board acting like you won.

Example: as a group the right wing is a pathetic unpatriotic group of anti-Americans.. they are opposed to anything which would make America greater.. That's your warped wacko opinion, not a fact. As a matter of fact, most of your posts are a collage of outright lies and silly l*****t opinions.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:20:40   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
With this non-emergency the issue is a situation which has occored over and over..

revue the emergency delclared the are reflected in the table you posted..

They are very different from this recurring event on our border.

Also to consider are two down the road results..

one--- how will all you orange lovers react when some point in the future a Democrat then uses the same distortion of our rules to promote their own personal desire?

Two--- this action, if upheld by the trump judges on the SC, undermines the checks and balances that our founder deemed so necessary to make our nation work.. we need all the checks and balances to avoid an overpowering role by any of our three wings of government..
With this non-emergency the issue is a situation w... (show quote)


There is no usurpation of powers involved. Not only does the president have the power to protect our nation from invasion, he has the DUTY to do so. For the legislative branch to try to prevent our president from doing his duty bu not releasing more than a pittance of the money, AND not only restricting how he can spend it but requiring he betray his oath in the process IS much more than a usurpation of powers!!!! Democratic presidents HAVE actually usurped powers in the past. As have past Republican presidents. The two which immediately come to mind as flaunting the separation of powers are Obama and George W Bush. In fact, Trump is the first president since Ford to NOT overstep his constitutionally allowed powers.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:23:06   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
The President, border guards and other law enforcement agencies know it is a fact. Even the democrats.

The wall is just an excuse to make v**ers believe the President failed or make it harder to keep his word.

The American v**ers will see through the smoke and lights and the Dim-O-Crats will lose big time in the 2020 e******ns.

Show me a quote from a CBP agent that there are less drugs getting through between ports of entry instead of getting through at ports of entry! Not less drugs caught, but less drugs getting through!

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Feb 19, 2019 12:29:30   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
Very small amounts actually get through.


Yes. Probably very small amounts get through AT the ports of entry. Far more probably get through BETWEEN the ports of entry! Then there are the sea and air routes.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:41:13   #
debeda
 
permafrost wrote:
I truly do not know.. I never heard that dinner was at Putins house..

But what did Russia gain from those overpay speeches?

I can recall nothing that matches..

thought it was paid by some oligoths who I would think were looking for some sort of cash return on the investment.. Was it good for them?


No idea. But it certainly doesn't match the narrative that Putin disapproved of or feared her.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:43:18   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I truly do not know.. I never heard that dinner was at Putins house..

But what did Russia gain from those overpay speeches?

I can recall nothing that matches..

thought it was paid by some oligoths who I would think were looking for some sort of cash return on the investment.. Was it good for them?


You hit the nail but don't even realize it. What did they gain from a short speech by Bill Clinton? Nothing I can see. So why pay him half a billion to deliver it???? Unless it was payback for Clinton favors.

Yes Bill Clinton met Putin at Putin's home. Remember that at the time Bill had NO role in our government.

https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-russia-uranium-deal-689321
http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/10/20/bill-clinton-met-with-putin-at-his-house-while-muellers-fbi-knew-about-clinton-foundation-uranium-donors/#sthash.nprIBQlP.dpbs



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Feb 19, 2019 12:47:01   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Trooper745 wrote:
You make a lot of ignorant and dishonest statements, then pigeon strut around the board acting like you won.

Example: as a group the right wing is a pathetic unpatriotic group of anti-Americans.. they are opposed to anything which would make America greater.. That's your warped wacko opinion, not a fact. As a matter of fact, most of your posts are a collage of outright lies and silly l*****t opinions.


Spot on Trooper. Frosty does indeed exhibit an excessive amount of TDS and outright hatred for the man. During the halfricans 8 year reign I never truly h**ed the man, simply most of his socialist policies.



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Feb 19, 2019 12:53:05   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Any logical thought would agree that a 200 year old document should indeed be considered a living document and could well be changed as society changed to things that the founding fathers could not even have imagined.. Technology alone bring huge changes to the way we live..

It seems strange, while I could list a page-full of things about President Obama that I did not like, I still admire him and he will indeed be recorded as one of our finest Presidents..

Yet you orange lovers can not find a single deed wrong with trumps pillaging or unamerican activities..

as a group the right wing is a pathetic unpatriotic group of anti-Americans..

they are opposed to anything which would make America greater.. We have always been great and we still are. but as we lose ground nothing to better the situation comes from the right or their orange glob of selfishness..
Any logical thought would agree that a 200 year ol... (show quote)


No matter how many years have passed, it is the foundation of our republic. It MUST not be changed. There is a constitutional process for adding and repealing amendments. This process is outlined in the body of our constitution. Amendments are the only area where change is acceptable. The body of the constitution is the embodiment of the United States of America. To change it is to destroy the US as a nation by and for the people with the guarantee to not infringe on inalienable rights! I believe we are the only nation where the government gets its power from the people instead of the reverse. It is due to our constitution that this is still true after more than 200 years!

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Feb 19, 2019 12:56:07   #
waltmoreno
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Spot on Trooper. Frosty does indeed exhibit an excessive amount of TDS and outright hatred for the man. During the halfricans 8 year reign I never truly h**ed the man, simply most of his socialist policies.


Bingo! And with the breakneck speed record of Trump's remarkable achievements, Trump's successes will only accelerate the realization that Obama was unquestionably the worst, and also the most t*****rous president in our history.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:01:26   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Bingo! And with the breakneck speed record of Trump's remarkable achievements, Trump's successes will only accelerate the realization that Obama was unquestionably the worst, and also the most t*****rous president in our history.



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