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Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘loser teachers’ comment was ‘a chilling moment’
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Feb 20, 2019 13:14:21   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
You are aware that teachers have to teach the Curriculum assigned by their State and local school boards else they can be dismissed with cause. That said, how can a teacher indoctrinate their students in subversive thought unless it is the intention of the state and local school boards to do just that?


"That said, how can a teacher indoctrinate their students in subversive thought unless it is the intention of the state and local school boards to do just that?"

That is the point!
BUT; liberal educators that got a liberal "education", are willing accomplices/partners.

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Feb 20, 2019 13:29:59   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
PeterS wrote:
You do know that teachers are pretty much an equal dispersion of liberal, conservative, and moderate? Of course, you don't you are a conservative...silly me...

I'd be very interested in seeing the raw data on that. You know, the actual answers people provided before they were 'processed'. I suspect I'll find it's somewhat 'skewed' by the 'process'.

By the way, I'm not a conservative, never have been, never will be.

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Feb 20, 2019 17:52:12   #
Abel
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Care to provide an example of said 'loser' teachers?


Examples of "loser teachers" IMHO would be any teacher who is a member of the C*******t Teachers Union.

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Feb 20, 2019 18:00:57   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Abel wrote:
Examples of "loser teachers" IMHO would be any teacher who is a member of the C*******t Teachers Union.


Is that the same "union" as the AMA and the ABA?

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Feb 20, 2019 18:05:28   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Abel wrote:
Examples of "loser teachers" IMHO would be any teacher who is a member of the C*******t Teachers Union.


Abel how did make your living?

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Feb 20, 2019 18:28:49   #
Abel
 
slatten49 wrote:
Valerie Strauss

You may recall that President Trump held a border wall rally in El Paso on Monday and that his eldest child, Donald Trump Jr., made a speech that roused the crowd.

The president’s son drew cheers when he urged young conservatives to “bring it to your schools” (though he didn’t say exactly what “it” was) because “you don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth.”

Three teachers explain why Trump Jr.'s comment was more than simply mean.

Jelmer Evers of the Netherlands, Michael Soskil of the United States and Armand Doucet of Canada were featured authors in the 2018 book “Teaching in the Fourth Industrial Revolution: Standing at the Precipice.”

Evers is also the author of “Flip the System: Changing Education From the Ground Up.” Soskil was the 2017-18 Pennsylvania Teacher of the Year. Doucet was a recipient of Canada’s teachers award and is the author of “Teaching Life: Our Calling, Our Choices, Our Challenges.”

By Jelmer Evers, Michael Soskil and Armand Doucet.....

“You know what I love? I love seeing some young conservatives because I know it’s not easy. (Crowd applauds and shouts.) Keep up that fight. Bring it to your schools. You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth. You don’t have to do it. Because you can think for yourselves. They can’t.” (Crowd applauds and shouts again.) – Donald Trump Jr. in Texas on Feb. 11, 2019

For teachers around the globe, this was a chilling moment.

In a stadium filled with people chanting “USA, USA,” the son of the president of the United States called for hostility toward teachers because of their so-called political leanings. This is a message you would expect in an authoritarian regime, not at a rally for the U.S. president.

As teachers, we come from varied backgrounds and political leanings, but there is an undeniable core to who we are and what we stand for. Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge.

By working daily with young people, teachers are the stewards of the future. Whether Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative, right, left, center, blue or red — seeing and reinforcing the value of a teacher should be a national pillar that rises high above partisan politics and cheap applause.

Throughout history, schools and teachers have always been among the first to be targeted by authoritarian regimes and extremists. Independent thinking, creativity, compassion and curiosity are threats to dogmatic beliefs and rule.

Many of our colleagues in countries ravaged by war or in shackled societies teach in difficult circumstances. They are often ruthlessly persecuted and even k**led for providing a well-balanced education to children, which should be a basic human right.

Echoes of these authoritarian practices are increasingly being heard in democratic countries as well. In Germany, the radical right party Alternative for Germany has launched a website where students and parents can report “left-wing teachers.”

In the Netherlands, right-wing parliamentarians have called on students to out their socialist teachers because they were indoctrinating their students in “c*****e c****e propaganda.”

In Canada, Ontario Premier Doug Ford has accused student unions of “crazy Marxist nonsense” and has raised alarms by throwing out one of the most progressive sex education curriculums, which dealt with topics from consent, to g****r identity to “sexting” in the age of social media.

In Hungary, textbooks are censored to follow the government’s nationalistic agenda. After years of denouncing teachers and schools, President Jair Bolsonaro’s first education policy in Brazil is to go after the “Marxist” curriculums, which bars teachers talking about feminism and L***Q issues.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has fired thousands of teachers. In the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte is attacking teacher unions.

Research by the United Nations has shown that the globe is spinning toward a dramatic teacher shortage, with analysts predicting a shortage of 69 million teachers by 2030. This is the crisis we should be talking about.

We’ve seen overcrowded classrooms, long working hours, lack of professional development, burn out, low salaries, terrible retention rates and teachers across the United States striking to demand better teaching and learning conditions.

How does Donald Trump Jr.’s description of teachers as “losers” and the encouragement of hostility toward us solve these problems? How does it ignite passion in a new generation to pursue the world’s most important profession?

If we can be accused of anything, it is that we are on the front line of democracy. Education reformer John Dewey famously said, “Democracy has to be born again each generation and education is its midwife.”

As members of a global profession, we reject the narrowing of the mind and we stand by our colleagues defending academic freedom. We call upon parents, teachers and politicians to stand with us. Our academic freedom is what allows our democracies to remain strong.
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I would have to applaud Donald Trump, Jr. He is right on the money, and these "loser teachers," most likely members of the C*******t Teachers Union, should feel a chilling breeze. "Good Teachers" do champion the pursuit of knowledge, but it is damned difficult for them to hold to their high standards when Progressive Marxist Democrats control the curriculum and the books they teach from.

Yes, "Good Teachers" are in short supply, they are passed over in favor of the C*******t Teachers in the se******n procedures, which is a part of their Progressive infiltration program.

Yes, we have overcrowded classrooms, principally because of the Progressives and their open border agenda to flood our public education system with i*****l m*****ts, and why we need a southern barrier and the enforcement of our migration laws against illegal entry into the USA.

There is nothing wrong with legal immigration other than it is a bit slow, however, haste makes waste and I would rather see slow than poor quality. If the USA is so bad, as claimed by the Progressives, why are so many foreigners willing to risk even death trying to get into our country?

Hopefully, Donald Trumps' speech will ignite some genuine passion in 'Good Teachers' to come forward and force out the "loser teachers" who are trying to drive our youth into a Socialist Utopian New World Order. Democracy, which these losers are aggressively trying to sell to the legal citizens of our Republic to "fundamentally change the USA" is absolutely wrong, which why the word "democracy" never appears in our Founding Documents! Power to President Trump, and his son, in attempting to Make the USA Great again, and to hell with the socialist obstructionists! The USA comes first!

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Feb 20, 2019 18:43:20   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Abel wrote:
If the USA is so bad, as claimed by the Progressives, why are so many foreigners willing to risk even death trying to get into our country?

It's an excellent question, isn't it? I guarantee you'll never get a straight answer from a certain group of less than honest manipulators.

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Feb 20, 2019 22:17:05   #
PeterS
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"That said, how can a teacher indoctrinate their students in subversive thought unless it is the intention of the state and local school boards to do just that?"

That is the point!
BUT; liberal educators that got a liberal "education", are willing accomplices/partners.

Aren't the majority of the states run by you conservatives? Why are you appointing liberals to your curriculum committees? And don't you have a Republican president? Why is he allowing the Department of Education to help fund subversive liberal thought?

Honest to god--you people act like you are helpless in a sea of liberalism! GROW A PAIR!!!

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Feb 20, 2019 22:20:10   #
PeterS
 
Abel wrote:
I would have to applaud Donald Trump, Jr. He is right on the money, and these "loser teachers," most likely members of the C*******t Teachers Union, should feel a chilling breeze. "Good Teachers" do champion the pursuit of knowledge, but it is damned difficult for them to hold to their high standards when Progressive Marxist Democrats control the curriculum and the books they teach from.

Explain how progressive Marxist Democrats can control the Curriculum when the majority of states are controlled by Regressive F*****t Conservatives?

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Feb 20, 2019 23:14:55   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
PeterS wrote:
Aren't the majority of the states run by you conservatives? Why are you appointing liberals to your curriculum committees? And don't you have a Republican president? Why is he allowing the Department of Education to help fund subversive liberal thought?

Honest to god--you people act like you are helpless in a sea of liberalism! GROW A PAIR!!!

You know, you're right. There should be a political affiliation test of any and all teaching staff and applicants, and those who do not correspond to a specific demographic should be removed or denied. Problem solved, right? Actually, you know, we could expand that ideal throughout the entire economy, thereby solving many problems in a single move. We could call it the 'Deplorables Act'.

What do you think?

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Feb 20, 2019 23:42:24   #
PeterS
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
You know, you're right. There should be a political affiliation test of any and all teaching staff and applicants, and those who do not correspond to a specific demographic should be removed or denied. Problem solved, right? Actually, you know, we could expand that ideal throughout the entire economy, thereby solving many problems in a single move. We could call it the 'Deplorables Act'.

What do you think?

Your political affiliation only matters if you can't be objective. Objectivity is part of liberalism so the only ones who need to be expelled are you conservatives...bye...

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Feb 21, 2019 01:54:23   #
billman6 Loc: Top of Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I taught HS for about 15 yrs and have taught college PT for about 25. I am not offended by this at all and I'll tell you why. Because it is true; teachers try to impose some pretty radical political ideas on students in all disciplines. These teachers have essentially created the snowflake mentality of "melting down": at the drop of a hat when something is said that they have been told is offensive which, in most cases, is not. I don't like the term "loser" but heck, if the shoe fits. These teachers are big fish in little bitty ponds and I get absolutely s**k of having to put up with their crap and the attitudes they develop in students. And, I can tell you, it's becoming more and more prevalent.

Teachers need to admit that a criticism of some is not a criticism of all. How is it that I know and they don't. I'll tell you how, because I know I am teaching my subject and not trying to impose beliefs on my students. I don't get offended at the drop of a hat and I also know that I am comfortable with who I am.
I taught HS for about 15 yrs and have taught colle... (show quote)


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Feb 21, 2019 02:36:02   #
billman6 Loc: Top of Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
This is tedious... May I resort to my usual format and quote your statements that I am responding to?

Quote:
"It gave him the right to sit quietly or to ask to leave the room; according to the school, "children can opt out with written permission." He should have provided the "permission slip" and then shut his mouth. "

You stated that he may sit quietly... It was your suggestion...
And that he needed permision to leave the room...
His mother stated and I (personally) believe it is true that he never needed to stand before.. Obviously this was not an issue when his regular (professional) teacher was in the room...

I have no idea how a Native American claiming one thing and this boy's mother claiming another are on any way related... Unless you are referencing the fact that neither is white...
I don't know if the school made it clear that he need not stand for the pledge... But the Supreme Court certainly did...

I am glad that you wouldn't support a 'Progressive' teacher encouraging Students to sit during the anthem... We should leave it to each individual to decide whether they stand or sit... As is their right...

Quote:
" I should have labeled him Un-American, a troublemaker, a disrupter, and instigator."

Says the individual who supports a 'teacher' trying to deny an American citizen their rights under the constitution... And then calls an eleven year old out in class for doing so...


Whether or not she had been employed in the district before she had a responsibility as an educator to know the policies...
As a citizen of the US she has an obligation to know the rights provided to citizens...

The proper line of action would have been for her to allow the student to sit during the pledge.... Then inquire with the school administration as to how the situation should be handled...At which point she would have been made aware of her error...
This is coming from an educator who has worked in elementary, high school and university education... Although admittedly not in America...

A student sitting quietly in class is not a student causing a disruption...
This is tedious... May I resort to my usual format... (show quote)


You seem to be kicking a dead horse here. Just take this as fact and maybe you will get this. A child being raised properly at home should respect his/her elders period. When asked to stand for the pledge, if this child was raised properly, he would have stood out of respect for the teacher being the elder. This child was in the wrong whether he was five or eleven or nineteen. Doesn't matter. Raised your children to be respectful and you don't have these problems.

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Feb 21, 2019 02:45:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
billman6 wrote:
You seem to be kicking a dead horse here. Just take this as fact and maybe you will get this. A child being raised properly at home should respect his/her elders period. When asked to stand for the pledge, if this child was raised properly, he would have stood out of respect for the teacher being the elder. This child was in the wrong whether he was five or eleven or nineteen. Doesn't matter. Raised your children to be respectful and you don't have these problems.


Hi there... A pleasure to meet you...

I agree with this statement.. (see earlier posts)

Regardless, as teachers, there is an obligation to respect (and know) the rights of your students...

I can assure you that had a teacher informed me that my child refused to stand for the F**g, anthem, or pledge, that I would be having 'words' with my child.. And in the future they would show more respect....

Alternatively... If an adult in a position of authority attempted to curtail my child's rights you can be assured that I would be having words with said educator...

My position in this argument is not that the boy behaved appropriately... But that the teacher (an adult) behaved inappropriately...

Both sides were wrong...

The teacher supporting my personal views does not make her right...The situation was handled poorly...

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Feb 21, 2019 03:15:51   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
billman6 wrote:
You seem to be kicking a dead horse here. Just take this as fact and maybe you will get this. A child being raised properly at home should respect his/her elders period. When asked to stand for the pledge, if this child was raised properly, he would have stood out of respect for the teacher being the elder. This child was in the wrong whether he was five or eleven or nineteen. Doesn't matter. Raised your children to be respectful and you don't have these problems.


Well said..... and I agree!!!! It is sad that many of today's youth believe that they can do as they please, when they please without regard for anyone else. Had I shown disrespect as a young person.... my mother would have made that lapse of manners memorable, a first and last time! She taught me that I could have and express opinions, but when doing so it could not be at the expense of others. Poppa encouraged me to discuss and as necessary, respectfully disagree.... and certainly disagreements could not include personal insults and threats. But, that was back in the days when parents took the job of parenting seriously. It is a horrible reflection of our times when people defend ill-mannered children, who left unchecked will grow up to have little or no respect for anyone or anything.

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