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Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘loser teachers’ comment was ‘a chilling moment’
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Feb 19, 2019 09:13:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
This is tedious... May I resort to my usual format and quote your statements that I am responding to?

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"It gave him the right to sit quietly or to ask to leave the room; according to the school, "children can opt out with written permission." He should have provided the "permission slip" and then shut his mouth. "

You stated that he may sit quietly... It was your suggestion...
And that he needed permision to leave the room...
His mother stated and I (personally) believe it is true that he never needed to stand before.. Obviously this was not an issue when his regular (professional) teacher was in the room...

I have no idea how a Native American claiming one thing and this boy's mother claiming another are on any way related... Unless you are referencing the fact that neither is white...
I don't know if the school made it clear that he need not stand for the pledge... But the Supreme Court certainly did...

I am glad that you wouldn't support a 'Progressive' teacher encouraging Students to sit during the anthem... We should leave it to each individual to decide whether they stand or sit... As is their right...

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" I should have labeled him Un-American, a troublemaker, a disrupter, and instigator."

Says the individual who supports a 'teacher' trying to deny an American citizen their rights under the constitution... And then calls an eleven year old out in class for doing so...


Whether or not she had been employed in the district before she had a responsibility as an educator to know the policies...
As a citizen of the US she has an obligation to know the rights provided to citizens...

The proper line of action would have been for her to allow the student to sit during the pledge.... Then inquire with the school administration as to how the situation should be handled...At which point she would have been made aware of her error...
This is coming from an educator who has worked in elementary, high school and university education... Although admittedly not in America...

A student sitting quietly in class is not a student causing a disruption...

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Feb 19, 2019 09:16:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Bluntly, an 11 year old doesn't have the "right" to be disrespectful of America OR of his teacher. Both of whom are trying to do right by him.


I agree the teacher was trying to do right by him... She just handled it poorly...

He was within his rights to sit... Age doesn't come into play...

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Feb 19, 2019 09:17:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
Valerie Strauss

You may recall that President Trump held a border wall rally in El Paso on Monday and that his eldest child, Donald Trump Jr., made a speech that roused the crowd.

The president’s son drew cheers when he urged young conservatives to “bring it to your schools” (though he didn’t say exactly what “it” was) because “you don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth.”

Three teachers explain why Trump Jr.'s comment was more than simply mean.

Jelmer Evers of the Netherlands, Michael Soskil of the United States and Armand Doucet of Canada were featured authors in the 2018 book “Teaching in the Fourth Industrial Revolution: Standing at the Precipice.”

Evers is also the author of “Flip the System: Changing Education From the Ground Up.” Soskil was the 2017-18 Pennsylvania Teacher of the Year. Doucet was a recipient of Canada’s teachers award and is the author of “Teaching Life: Our Calling, Our Choices, Our Challenges.”

By Jelmer Evers, Michael Soskil and Armand Doucet.....

“You know what I love? I love seeing some young conservatives because I know it’s not easy. (Crowd applauds and shouts.) Keep up that fight. Bring it to your schools. You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth. You don’t have to do it. Because you can think for yourselves. They can’t.” (Crowd applauds and shouts again.) – Donald Trump Jr. in Texas on Feb. 11, 2019

For teachers around the globe, this was a chilling moment.

In a stadium filled with people chanting “USA, USA,” the son of the president of the United States called for hostility toward teachers because of their so-called political leanings. This is a message you would expect in an authoritarian regime, not at a rally for the U.S. president.

As teachers, we come from varied backgrounds and political leanings, but there is an undeniable core to who we are and what we stand for. Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge.

By working daily with young people, teachers are the stewards of the future. Whether Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative, right, left, center, blue or red — seeing and reinforcing the value of a teacher should be a national pillar that rises high above partisan politics and cheap applause.

Throughout history, schools and teachers have always been among the first to be targeted by authoritarian regimes and extremists. Independent thinking, creativity, compassion and curiosity are threats to dogmatic beliefs and rule.

Many of our colleagues in countries ravaged by war or in shackled societies teach in difficult circumstances. They are often ruthlessly persecuted and even k**led for providing a well-balanced education to children, which should be a basic human right.

Echoes of these authoritarian practices are increasingly being heard in democratic countries as well. In Germany, the radical right party Alternative for Germany has launched a website where students and parents can report “left-wing teachers.”

In the Netherlands, right-wing parliamentarians have called on students to out their socialist teachers because they were indoctrinating their students in “c*****e c****e propaganda.”

In Canada, Ontario Premier Doug Ford has accused student unions of “crazy Marxist nonsense” and has raised alarms by throwing out one of the most progressive sex education curriculums, which dealt with topics from consent, to g****r identity to “sexting” in the age of social media.

In Hungary, textbooks are censored to follow the government’s nationalistic agenda. After years of denouncing teachers and schools, President Jair Bolsonaro’s first education policy in Brazil is to go after the “Marxist” curriculums, which bars teachers talking about feminism and L***Q issues.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has fired thousands of teachers. In the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte is attacking teacher unions.

Research by the United Nations has shown that the globe is spinning toward a dramatic teacher shortage, with analysts predicting a shortage of 69 million teachers by 2030. This is the crisis we should be talking about.

We’ve seen overcrowded classrooms, long working hours, lack of professional development, burn out, low salaries, terrible retention rates and teachers across the United States striking to demand better teaching and learning conditions.

How does Donald Trump Jr.’s description of teachers as “losers” and the encouragement of hostility toward us solve these problems? How does it ignite passion in a new generation to pursue the world’s most important profession?

If we can be accused of anything, it is that we are on the front line of democracy. Education reformer John Dewey famously said, “Democracy has to be born again each generation and education is its midwife.”

As members of a global profession, we reject the narrowing of the mind and we stand by our colleagues defending academic freedom. We call upon parents, teachers and politicians to stand with us. Our academic freedom is what allows our democracies to remain strong.
Valerie Strauss br br You may recall that Presid... (show quote)


While his verbiage was curt and could have been said more eloquently, his message is factual.. The left leaning messages of teachers who should not be so eager to make politics an issue of contention is wrong..

They have systematically removed much of our history through intended wrought and try to sway the young minds....

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Feb 19, 2019 09:24:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Kyle, I have to disagree with you. Children have been increasingly "running the classroom" since the early 1980s. I was a room mother for my son, and I remember being horrified in his 4th grade class when I came to school with treats for the Halloween party, and when I got to his class the kids were running wild and the teacher was sunk in the corner at her desk looking overwhelmed and stressed out. So I grabbed the loudest and most obnoxious boy to help pass out treats and told the class I'd be leaving if they didn't settle down. Of course I had the candy . But seriously, I have children ages 48 down to 34. With my oldest daughter, when you'd go to the school (I was a bluebird leader) during school hours it was quiet. With my son, from about third grade on (he's 42 now) you'd go to the school during school hours and 8 times out of 10 there was lots of noise coming from classrooms. Sounded quite raucus. Same with my 2 youngest daughters. I dont blame the children for this, cuz youre a product of your environment, but SOMETHING sure changed! One of the things teachers most often complain about is lack of respect. In some cases I've got to agree they have to deal with kids (And parents) who taught them little about civility and lots about entitlement.
Kyle, I have to disagree with you. Children have b... (show quote)


Whether or not teachers allow Students to run the class is outside the argument...
The boy was within his rights and school Policy to refuse to stand...

Nothing forgives his behavior...
Nor the behavior of the teacher...
But one of them was an adult...

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Feb 19, 2019 09:24:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
I agree with your comments, CD. It's not often that I agree 100% with a cut 'n paste article. Instead, the gist of a message is what should carry the day.


Agreed...I wonder if he thought this of his teachers.??

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Feb 19, 2019 09:34:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I taught HS for about 15 yrs and have taught college PT for about 25. I am not offended by this at all and I'll tell you why. Because it is true; teachers try to impose some pretty radical political ideas on students in all disciplines. These teachers have essentially created the snowflake mentality of "melting down": at the drop of a hat when something is said that they have been told is offensive which, in most cases, is not. I don't like the term "loser" but heck, if the shoe fits. These teachers are big fish in little bitty ponds and I get absolutely s**k of having to put up with their crap and the attitudes they develop in students. And, I can tell you, it's becoming more and more prevalent.

Teachers need to admit that a criticism of some is not a criticism of all. How is it that I know and they don't. I'll tell you how, because I know I am teaching my subject and not trying to impose beliefs on my students. I don't get offended at the drop of a hat and I also know that I am comfortable with who I am.
I taught HS for about 15 yrs and have taught colle... (show quote)


Amen!! You speak the t***h and would know !

I take continued education courses and have a clear vision of what you say... While I will not belabor you with a professor snd I getting into it literally over a topic of open discussion I told him his view is immaterial and his facts should be based on the true standing of history not his sidestepping lies ..

I honestly believe some teachers, Not necessarily the school have an agenda...
Then you have those that are top notch snd do honor the teaching of wh**ever in a bipartisan way.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:41:01   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I would have been comfortable if you acknowledged he was a child put in a difficult and unfair position by a poorly trained authority figure...

I'd say his mother put him in a 'difficult and unfair position' by pissing all over this country in the first place. Had he kept a respectful demeanor toward his teacher there would have never been a problem. He couldn't, because his mother taught him it is acceptable to threaten people who do not agree with your 'exceptionalism'. End of story.

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Feb 19, 2019 15:47:54   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
I'd say his mother put him in a 'difficult and unfair position' by pissing all over this country in the first place. Had he kept a respectful demeanor toward his teacher there would have never been a problem. He couldn't, because his mother taught him it is acceptable to threaten people who do not agree with your 'exceptionalism'. End of story.



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Feb 20, 2019 01:21:34   #
PeterS
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Ergo, any teacher offended by that statement is trying to do just that. Those who are making a difference by teaching children the lessons they are supposed to be learning won't feel a thing, because it doesn't apply to them.

You do know that teachers are pretty much an equal dispersion of liberal, conservative, and moderate? Of course, you don't you are a conservative...silly me...

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Feb 20, 2019 01:33:55   #
PeterS
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The difference is in being taught how to think for yourself, and taught WHAT to think. Free thinking has ever been the salvation of democracy...............and the bane of autocratic ideologies.

What is interesting ( and terrifying ), is that the people who accuse schools of brainwashing children and promoting Marxist ideology, themselves want to censor what ideas children are exposed to, want to dictate behavior and punish those that do not conform.............................just like every Marxist society known to mankind.
The difference is in being taught how to think for... (show quote)

Too bad they don't know what irony means, huh...

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Feb 20, 2019 01:42:25   #
PeterS
 
padremike wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in what teachers in other countries think about Trump or the American education system. I am, however, very much concerned that the left has unquestionably conquered education and feeding our students full of Marxist Progressive ideology including the suppression of freedom of speech. There is no question that conservative students are ostracized on campus and conservative speakers are shouted down. When TV interviewers, man on the street type, go to a college campus and ask basic question such as who fought in the Civil War and students don't know, education, vis a vis educators, are not doing their job. More socialists leaning students graduate from our universities today than ever before. Many educators should be considered subversive to our nation. There is a huge gulf between academic freedom and forced indoctrination. Often we hear of conservative students forced to silence for fear of grade reduction by so called educators. No, Trump was correct. It's time to take back our schools and for students to openly confront and challenge the Progressive prejudice of faculty.
I'm not particularly interested in what teachers i... (show quote)

You are aware that teachers have to teach the Curriculum assigned by their State and local school boards else they can be dismissed with cause. That said, how can a teacher indoctrinate their students in subversive thought unless it is the intention of the state and local school boards to do just that?

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Feb 20, 2019 01:45:08   #
PeterS
 
badbobby wrote:
although a lotta teachers and college professors are doin their best to make it so
"This will never be a Socialist Country"
president Donald Trump


Says someone on SS and Medicare and who went to a public school...

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Feb 20, 2019 01:47:13   #
PeterS
 
slatten49 wrote:
slatten49 wrote:
"You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth."


Interesting quote, Larry. Funny thing is, though...I don't/can't recall my posting such a statement. Since you represent it as mine, please direct me as to where you found it. Otherwise, please refrain from further misrepresenting, editing or altering my words.

P.S. I actually just found the quote you attributed to me. They are Gatsby's words, from his post near the bottom of page one of this thread. I shall assume it was an honest mistake.
slatten49 wrote: br "You don’t have to be ind... (show quote)

He read your mind Slaten. He knows how you centrists think...

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Feb 20, 2019 01:59:46   #
PeterS
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually, it did happen in Florida. The sixth grader at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland was arrested and taken to a juvenile detention center, charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence. He said that the f**g was offensive as well as the Pledge.... also mixed in was his assertion that they are offensive to all b****s. He did not help his situation by yelling at the teacher that she was a r****t.

https://abc7ny.com/11-year-old-arrested-after-not-reciting-pledge-of-allegiance/5143903/
Actually, it did happen in Florida. The sixth gra... (show quote)

In reading it, the kid should have been suspended...though arresting him was a bit out of line. If he sees the f**g and anthem as r****t he has every right not to stand but he has no right to disrupt an entire class. He should have obeyed then taken it up with his mother who then should have reamed out a school administrator. As for the teacher telling him to leave the country if he thinks it r****t--well she should be sent back to Cuba because she clearly hasn't learned what it means to live in a free democracy where change can't occur if we all sit back on our hands and ignore the things that are wrong...as much as our conservative friends would love if only we would...

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Feb 20, 2019 02:24:35   #
PeterS
 
lindajoy wrote:
While his verbiage was curt and could have been said more eloquently, his message is factual.. The left leaning messages of teachers who should not be so eager to make politics an issue of contention is wrong..

They have systematically removed much of our history through intended wrought and try to sway the young minds....

Do you guys not understand that one of the few things a tenured teacher can be fired for is if they don't teach the required curriculum? Where are you coming up with the idea that teachers are using their classrooms as a platform to indoctrinate their children politically? A teacher who won't follow their curriculum won't be teaching long enough to politically indoctrinate anyone!

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