ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

I support your position, "It is not necessarily ideology that gets us in trouble, it's the folks who practice it."

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Padre, could not the exact same claim be made on the creation of the Jewish state whose early history is defined by the terrorist groups described in the post "Judaism - The Progressive Except Palestine Problem" page 2, and also on https://rense.com/general21/pastz*****t.htm:

Funny, reading the opinion of the posts on this topic reminds me of the parable of the blind men who have never come across an elephant before and who learn and conceptualize what the elephant is like by touching it. Since each one touches and feels a different part of the elephant, their conceptualization is formed by their own experience. Isn't that what we are doing here?

If you were the American Indian, 1946 Palestinian, or Moorish 711 Spanish Muslim, your historical perspective would be far different from the early European or Jewish settlers.

It's a shame that we often focus on who is in the right, and who is responsible for this or that. Which religion is peaceful, and which is not.

Examples can be offered both supporting or refuting claims on both sides.

What is important now, is that we try to keep an open mind, and treat each other as we ourselves wish to be treated.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Superb...

L8erToots

The problem Paul is that unlike Christianity and Judaism, there is no interpretation allowed in the Koran and the laws and traditions followed and accepted today (even by liberal Muslims) are the Hadiths that haven't changed since Muhammad spoke them. A friend with his degree in world history and world religions explained it to me and this is pretty close to what he said.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Hadith

Refugees didn't come here to assimilate or because they are escaping Sharia Law...they came here to escape war and bombings and death in the country they love. Their culture, justice system and core beliefs will never be compatible with America's Constitution and will always cause strife and conflict here and if you read Vattel's Law of Nations you'll find that going back to Grecian times and before, no Nation has ever been required to allow immigrants, even for asylum purposes, to enter and cause disruption as the Muslims and many other immigrants have (because it destroys that Nation).

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

While I agree adamently with the second part of your statement, I find the first part far too generalized and atypical...
While there are Wuhabists who rate the Hadith as equal to the Koran, the majority of Muslims would never make that error...
And as for the Koran not allowing interpretation, try reading the works of Mohammed Shahrur...
Most Muslims interpret the Koran as readily as a Christian interprets the Bible...

Bcon

Smedley_buzkill

You are thinking of the Hebrews. The Muslims took the livestock as wives.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

That got a smile and a laugh...

Here's one for you...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Thank ewe! I knew there was something askew there I couldn't quite place what it was. Now I remember.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

maryjane

Damn good question! But the answer is that the USA has become a weak, foolish nation, wanting to be loved by the world and willing to sacrifice anything to please the world, including willingly allow itself to be used, abused and exploited by third world cesspit nations and their people.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

And lest we forget one lasting effect of the religion of peace, I can easily remember when there was no need for TSA agents working at all our airports and their equivalent at airports in every civilized nation in the world. Remember? We should not become immune as to why those Agents are there.

Mikeyavelli

Wars are fought to be won (unless you have obama as president) and the losers must assimilate according to the dictates of the Victor.
Always will be war. It advances humanity by the efforts to make better weapons than your enemy.
Airplanes developed out of war, despite the objections of Halexandria Obamio-Castrio, aka, She Guevara.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Didn't the UK have agents in tbeir airports back in the sixties (or further)...
Was it to stop all the Muslim terrists from Northern Ireland?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Remember that when the Muslims come for you Mikey..
Assimulate quickly...