Morgan

This... " According to His plan, He called 12 men as His apostles. Nowhere in the gospel do we find evidence of Jesus giving “orders” to women to baptize, to anoint the sick, to confect the Holy Eucharist, or to forgive sins as He did to the apostles."... you agree with? Interesting...

This mirrors more to the society of the time, rather than God. I don't wish to offend anyone, but for me this is an example of the Bible being written by men, though they were considered holy men, men never the less along with the conditions they were brought up with. Yes with some good teachings but also skewed attitudes. For example, the twelve apostles being only men, which then lead to the church's attitude toward women in church which then continued in our societies. To not allow women to baptize, to anoint the sick, to confect the Holy Eucharist, or to forgive sins or be able to rise in position, is all from man, not God.

When in contrary women were given the task of birth and to innately nurture, to be less of ego and more with the concern for others, why would God ever make such a choice?

How long has the church assisted in keeping women suppressed?

You also have said, spiritually they are equal, which I agree, they are opposite of each other as in nature, the ying and the yang, they compliment each other, beautifully.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I was merely conplementing Radiance for contributing to the conversation in a congenial manner...

And I agree with you... You know that from our PMs... Though we differ on degree and causality..

Radiance3

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SOLA SCRIPTURA IS MAN-MADE. Created during the 16th century by Luther, Calvin.
Several have made millions or billions of dollars using the "Word" of God as the merchandise being sold to the people. Rose42's posts came from questionable people devoid of the true God's faith.

Here are some of Rose42's famous lies and controversies about the Catholic Church.
These are due to her ignorance about the true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

/b]Most of her examples are contrary to Jesus Christ, like Matt Slick an Protestant Apologist, who I also a Calvinist. He uses God's words to selling lies and making money out of it.[/b]

Here are some of more of Rose4's assaults to the Catholic Church of Christ. When you assault the Church, you assault all members of the Catholic Church.

Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067
False claims of Rose42, one of the most famous ignorant and Protestant LIARS here at OPP.

The Catholic Church claims to have the authority for of Christ to the apostles (CCC 77, 85, 88, 895, 1495, 888). But, can the Pope and the Bishops do what Jesus and the apostles did? Jesus said his authority to forgive sins was demonstrated by his miracles which he exercised on command (Matt. 9:6; Luke 5:24; John 5:8). He gave this authority to the disciples to pronounce forgiveness of sins (John 20:23), heal all disease and sickness (Matt. 10:1), as well as raise the dead (Matt. 10:8). Jesus healed the lame (Matt. 15:30; 21:14). Peter healed the lame on command (Acts 3:6) as did Paul (Acts 14:8-10). Jesus healed paralytics on command (Luke 5:24; Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10-12). Peter also healed the paralytic on command (Acts 9:34). Jesus raised the dead with a command (Mark 5:38-42; Luke 7:14-15; John 11:43-44). Peter raised the dead by command (Acts 9:40-41). So, apostolic authority was clearly demonstrated by the apostles uttering commands of healing and raising the dead. Since Jesus gave the apostles the authority to do the miraculous on command (Matt. 10:1, 8), then those with the apostle’s authority (the Pope and the Bishops) should be able to do the same thing since they claim to have the same apostolic authority. Since the Pope and Bishops do not do the miraculous on command (otherwise it would be known to all), then they do not have apostolic authority.

https://carm.org/does-the-catholic-church-have-the-authority-of-christ

Carm is an organization lead by Matt Slick in 1995, a Christian Protestant Apologetics. It is not a Christian Church but an enterprise system designed to earn money by selling the words of God to the people. Now Matt Slick has earned multi-billion dollars on his business, since 1995.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrXpimX2m9cQlQA0SEPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBya2cwZmh2BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1550863127/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fChristian_Apologetics_and_Research_Ministry/RK=2/RS=aDHnkun2mMcrpM9RA7RP9adm2So-

Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067
Doc is manically trying to justify the idol worship of the Catholics. This ark of the new covenant thing is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen with regards to Mary. She'd be horrified if she knew what was going on.


Dec 9, 2018 13:43:43 #
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

Never one to mince words...

“False gods, attempts to represent the true God, and indeed, all material things which are worshipped, are so much filth upon the face of the earth, whether they be crosses, crucifixes, virgins, wafers, relics, or even the Pope himself. We are by far too mealy mouthed about these infamous a*********ns: God abhors them, and so should we. To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for outward pomp and show is the height of folly, and deserves to be treated as such.” by (C.H. Spurgeon, The Treasury of David, Psalm 106:20)

“It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” (C.H. Spurgeon) Spurgeon did not believe in the Holy Ghost.

Another Rose42's criminal assault on the true Church of Christ.
“Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we h**e their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray.” (C.H. Spurgeon)
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Believers in Christ's atonement are now in declared union with those who make light of it;
believers in Holy Scripture are in confederacy with those who deny plenary inspiration;
those who hold evangelical doctrine are in open alliance with those who call the fall a fable,
who deny the personality of the Holy Ghost,
who call justification by faith immoral,
and hold that there is another probation after death..
. It is our solemn conviction that there should be no pretence of fellowship. Fellowship with known and vital error is participation in


shows he puts an idol above God. Blasphemy. Page: 1 2 3 next>>
Another Rose False Berean Gospel.
Dec 9, 2018 13:43:43 #
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

An role model of Rose42 was Charles Spurgeon.
** Charles Spurgeon is a Baptist Apologetics

Here are Spurgeon's representations.
“False gods, attempts to represent the true God, and indeed, all material things which are worshipped, are so much filth upon the face of the earth, whether they be crosses, crucifixes, virgins, wafers, relics, or even the Pope himself. We are by far too mealy mouthed about these infamous a*********ns: God abhors them, and so should we. To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for outward pomp and show is the height of folly, and deserves to be treated as such.” (C.H. Spurgeon, The Treasury of David, Psalm 106:20)


[b]“It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” By : (C.H. Spurgeon)

“Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts


https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147556-1.html
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

Rose Lied again.
Pope John Paul II cried out to Mary NOT God when he was shot. That alone shows he puts an idol above God. Blasphemy.

Morgan

I see, when someone comments "excellent post" I assume they are in full agreement with what was said, my apologies.

You complimenting her, while she continues to insult others, now she's on # three... Rose, supports her practice and behavior, just saying.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And if you take a look at what was posted before your last post you will see why I felt encouragement was warranted...(sigh)

Morgan

Good Luck

Radiance3

[quote=Radiance3]================
97% attacks on the Catholics are posted at IT. That is where Rose42 depend on to spew her lies and attacks on the Catholic Church. Most of those 97% attacker have financial mission to selling the words of god to the world.

SOLA SCRIPTURA IS MAN-MADE. Created during the 16th century by Luther, Calvin.
Several have made millions or billions of dollars using the "Word" of God as the merchandise being sold to the people. Rose42's posts came from questionable people devoid of the true God's faith.

Here are some of Rose42's famous lies and controversies about the Catholic Church.
These are due to her ignorance about the true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Most of her examples are contrary to Jesus Christ, like Matt Slick an Protestant Apologist, who I also a Calvinist. He uses God's words to selling lies and making money out of it.

Here are some of more of Rose4's assaults to the Catholic Church of Christ. When you assault the Church, you assault all members of the Catholic Church.

Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067
False claims of Rose42, one of the most famous ignorant and Protestant LIARS here at OPP.
The Catholic Church claims to have the authority for of Christ to the apostles (CCC 77, 85, 88, 895, 1495, 888). But, can the Pope and the Bishops do what Jesus and the apostles did? Jesus said his authority to forgive sins was demonstrated by his miracles which he exercised on command (Matt. 9:6; Luke 5:24; John 5:8). He gave this authority to the disciples to pronounce forgiveness of sins (John 20:23), heal all disease and sickness (Matt. 10:1), as well as raise the dead (Matt. 10:8). Jesus healed the lame (Matt. 15:30; 21:14). Peter healed the lame on command (Acts 3:6) as did Paul (Acts 14:8-10). Jesus healed paralytics on command (Luke 5:24; Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10-12). Peter also healed the paralytic on command (Acts 9:34). Jesus raised the dead with a command (Mark 5:38-42; Luke 7:14-15; John 11:43-44). Peter raised the dead by command (Acts 9:40-41). So, apostolic authority was clearly demonstrated by the apostles uttering commands of healing and raising the dead. Since Jesus gave the apostles the authority to do the miraculous on command (Matt. 10:1, 8), then those with the apostle’s authority (the Pope and the Bishops) should be able to do the same thing since they claim to have the same apostolic authority. Since the Pope and Bishops do not do the miraculous on command (otherwise it would be known to all), then they do not have apostolic authority.

https://carm.org/does-the-catholic-church-have-the-authority-of-christ
Carm is an organization lead by Matt Slick in 1995, a Christian Protestant Apologetics. It is not a Christian Church but an enterprise system designed to earn money by selling the words of God to the people. Now Matt Slick has earned multi-billion dollars on his business, since 1995.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrXpimX2m9cQlQA0SEPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBya2cwZmh2BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1550863127/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fChristian_Apologetics_and_Research_Ministry/RK=2/RS=aDHnkun2mMcrpM9RA7RP9adm2So-

Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067
Doc is manically trying to justify the idol worship of the Catholics. This ark of the new covenant thing is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen with regards to Mary. She'd be horrified if she knew what was going on.


Dec 9, 2018 13:43:43 #
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

Never one to mince words...

“False gods, attempts to represent the true God, and indeed, all material things which are worshipped, are so much filth upon the face of the earth, whether they be crosses, crucifixes, virgins, wafers, relics, or even the Pope himself. We are by far too mealy mouthed about these infamous a*********ns: God abhors them, and so should we. To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for outward pomp and show is the height of folly, and deserves to be treated as such.” by (C.H. Spurgeon, The Treasury of David, Psalm 106:20)

“It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” (C.H. Spurgeon) Spurgeon did not believe in the Holy Ghost.

Another Rose42's criminal assault on the true Church of Christ.
“Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we h**e their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray.” (C.H. Spurgeon)
====== y:
Believers in Christ's atonement are now in declared union with those who make light of it;
believers in Holy Scripture are in confederacy with those who deny plenary inspiration;
those who hold evangelical doctrine are in open alliance with those who call the fall a fable,
who deny the personality of the Holy Ghost,
who call justification by faith immoral,
and hold that there is another probation after death..
. It is our solemn conviction that there should be no pretence of fellowship. Fellowship with known and vital error is participation in shows he puts an idol above God. Blasphemy. Page: 1 2 3 next>>

Another Rose False Berean Gospel.
Dec 9, 2018 13:43:43 #
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

An role model of Rose42 was Charles Spurgeon.
** Charles Spurgeon is a Baptist Apologetics

Here are Spurgeon's representations.
“False gods, attempts to represent the true God, and indeed, all material things which are worshipped, are so much filth upon the face of the earth, whether they be crosses, crucifixes, virgins, wafers, relics, or even the Pope himself. We are by far too mealy mouthed about these infamous a*********ns: God abhors them, and so should we. To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for outward pomp and show is the height of folly, and deserves to be treated as such.” (C.H. Spurgeon, The Treasury of David, Psalm 106:20)

[b]“It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” By : (C.H. Spurgeon)

“Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147556-1.html
Rose42 (a regular here) Joined: Nov 6, 2018 Posts: 1067

Rose Lied again.
Pope John Paul II cried out to Mary NOT God when he was shot. That alone shows he puts an idol above God. Blasphemy.[/quote]

The Church of Christ is the true Catholic Church. Matthew 16:16-20.
Matthew 16:17-19 New International Version (NIV)

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; wh**ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and wh**ever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

SOLA SCRIPTURA IS MAN-MADE. It did not come from Jesus Christ, but from man like Luther or Calvin.
So many Protestant interpreters came about, with interpretations of their own. Most recent interpreter was Matt Slick a Calvinist Apologetics, and Charles Spurgeon, a Baptist Apologetics, who by-passed the power of God.

Slick made billions of dollars, by selling the words of God.

The Holy Scriptures came from the mouth of Christ. Not from man-made words created by men, like Matt Slick, Charles Spurgeon, or the 47,000 pastors selling the words of Christ to the world.

You cannot change the word of God, created some 1,987 years ago, by man-made Sola Scriptura created during the 16th century, 501 years ago. Sola Scriptura ignored 3/4's of the history of Christ,33AD, and selectively copied the Scriptures from the Catholic Church during the 16th century.

Rose42

You won't offend me with anything you say. We are free to choose what to believe.

The Bible was written by men in the sense that they held the pen. It was the Holy Spirit that guided them. It is God's word not theirs.

Men can't forgive sins - only God can.

I don't question why God made us the way He did. Not anymore anyway. Lol. Our finite mind can't grasp His

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD -Isaiah 55:8

I look at it this way too - men have always been the more natural leaders and that isn't because women were suppressed. That's nature. That is different than equal pay for equal work and discrimination. At the same time today's women's movement tends to marginalize men. You can't empower women that way.

There is freedom in having Christ Lord of your life. No other worldview offers that freedom

Radiance3

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Did the Holy Spirit guided Matt Slick, Spurgeon, and the 47,000 man-made interpretations of the word of God?

Those people are prolific preachers selling the word of God to the world. Did Jesus asked them to sell His words?

Is that what you call "freedom"?

Rose42

Are you trying to stifle discussion with your constant spam?

Radiance3

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I just disclosed so many of your spam out there.

I am asking a simple question. i don't have desire nor any inclination to spend few seconds with you.
Not at all.

Please answer this briefly. I dont't need more. Based on your comment.
Does the Holy Spirit talk to Matt Slick, or the 47,000 protestant interpreters of the word of God? They all have pen and paper.

Rose42

Good grief. You don't know anything about Matt Slick other than he's not Catholic and your incessant blabber about 47,000 interpretations has been answered many, many times.

I think its great you copied Charles Spurgeon's quotes. Amen! He was a great pastor.

Radiance3

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No Charles Surgeon for me. He's all yours. Man-made. Did the Holy Spirit talk to him and to you?

This is the last second I'll spend with you. No more Spurgeon.

Morgan

I suppose that is possible, I see it words spoken by Christ, as with all his sermons,
but interpreted by men, and then again interpreted by those who created and edited the Bible.

Then why are there priests?

Correct in the patriarchal platitudes of the church, where only priests forgive sins.
Being brought up Catholic I recall when we were actually old enough to go into the confession booth(after our holy communion) for the priest to hear our sins, and remember thinking at the ripe old age of seven, what do I need him for? As I was taught that through prayer we speak directly to him and he hears everything. And out of everything I was taught, that was the main lesson I learned, aside from love and forgiveness.



I guess this is where we differ, I do question, which is not a sin, questioning leads to learning. The hard part is at times is the acceptance and to allow and surrender in complete faith. To be able to understand that I don't know my journey's end and why but have faith it is for my highest good. What may be painful now, may be intended to reap rewards later. Which may be as simply learning life's lesson and reaching a new understanding.



I do completely and emphatically disagree with men being more leaders by nature and not from suppression. Leadership comes from traits acquired from DNA and from life's experiences and how we have approached them. There have been women who have been great leaders when on the rare occasion the opportunity arose. Queen Elizabeth jumps to mind. But these opportunities were more like a needle in the haystack. We are finally moving into a time where that will change, look at the female leaders we have going on now. We are finally reaching a place of true e******y, yea!

I've enjoyed our conversation, don't let Rad get to you, water off a ducks back.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Kind of want to save this for our PM discussion... But on the other hand...